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Politesub53 -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 5:11:49 PM)
DS, again I agree, but the general public, with maybe some time on the range, isnt the same as trained personnel.

DesideriScuri -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 5:21:26 PM)
No doubts about that, Polite. We are talking about a Naval Installation, though. Odds are that there will be some sailors there. [:D]

PeonForHer -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 5:22:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri No doubts about that, Polite. We are talking about a Naval Installation, though. Odds are that there will be some sailors there. [:D] Yes, but what about trained personnel?

Kirata -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 5:25:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I suspect many of the victims didnt have a clue. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Hey brains, twas but you who suggested people didnt have a clue Confusing, isn't it. Are you letting someone else use your account? Well anyway, now that you're back to they didn't have a clue, let's go with that before it changes again. What I am suggesting (follow me closely here) is that when people hear gunshots and see others falling around them, they are unlikely to have much difficulty figuring out that they're being fired upon. I'm not sure why you dispute this, unless perhaps you wouldn't. But I hope that if such a thing ever happens to you, you'll remember this little exchange and hit on the notion. K.

Kirata -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 6:16:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri No doubts about that, Polite. We are talking about a Naval Installation, though. Odds are that there will be some sailors there. [:D] Yes, but what about trained personnel? Heh. My thought exactly. Methinks Polite is a sucker for a uniform. K.

jlf1961 -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 6:28:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri No doubts about that, Polite. We are talking about a Naval Installation, though. Odds are that there will be some sailors there. [:D] Yes, but what about trained personnel? Heh. My thought exactly. Methinks Polite is a sucker for a uniform. K. All kidding aside, the navy are very thorough in their security procedures, and they are well trained, even if they have men and women wanting to play on boats that are designed to sink (and you people call me crazy.) So the question about trained personnel is almost an insult. It would be like asking a British sailor if Drake knew how to sail a ship.

Lucylastic -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 6:34:49 PM)
He did in petticoat pirates. Allo my Darlings

PeonForHer -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 6:35:00 PM)
quote: So the question about trained personnel is almost an insult. It would be like asking a British sailor if Drake knew how to sail a ship. No doubt. Re that: I once asked an ex-British navy man if personnel would be armed when in port and on duty. He said no, apart from guards at entrances (of ship or naval base). But there's no real comparison with the US situation because it's so unlikely that anyone would break in with a firearm.

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 7:04:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata So we have yet another mass killing of helpless people in a gun-free zone, GUN FREE ZONE! When will stop making shit up! A gun-free zone, that's right. Lowercase. As in a location where for whatever reason the carrying of firearms is forbidden. Let's not go through the Gun Free School Zones Act again. That rabbit ain't in the hat anymore. K. Then where did he get the 2 handguns? Did the gun fairy appear and give them to him?

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 7:06:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen He had the shotgun in his car when he came through the gate. He shot the guard at the building checkpoint and took his weapons, the handgun and the rifle. What rifle? I think the confusion comes from the fact that Piers Morgan announced that the shooter used a ar-15 shotgun. Of course, Morgan makes Kendom look like John Browning, but some on the left have to have that ar15 in the mix. The initial police reports said a shotgun, a pistol and an AR-15 rifle were recovered.

jlf1961 -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 7:25:34 PM)
Something struck me about the news media and this incident, if I may. CNN took both their morning shows from New York to the Navy Yard, which seemed a bit unnecessary, if not ghoulish. It is if the news media are using these incidents to score points and will not be happy until they get there early enough to televise the bodies, or even the very act of the mass shooting.

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 7:27:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 All kidding aside, the navy are very thorough in their security procedures, and they are well trained, even if they have men and women wanting to play on boats that are designed to sink (and you people call me crazy.) So the question about trained personnel is almost an insult. It would be like asking a British sailor if Drake knew how to sail a ship. Sailors do not generally walk around armed. During my time I was routinely armed only when serving as Petty Officer of the Watch on my ships quarterdeck in port. Ships had internal security forces that trained with M-16's, M-14 sniper rifles and shotguns and ships with nuclear weapons had Marines. Guards at gates and at security buildings were armed as well and were generally drawn from the Master at Arms ratings, the Navy's version of a police force. Although word is that a lot of guard duty has been offloaded to contractors. However no secure building would ever be called a "gun free zone" there would be armed guards at every entrance.

EdBowie -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 7:46:52 PM)
HIPAA is federal law that prohibits all health care professionals from revealing anyone's information without permission. The exception would be a clear and imminent threat, in which case there is a duty to inform the authorities. Saying 'I hear voices' in therapy doesn't trigger the exception. So far, none of the fingers that the media is pointing seem to match up to reality. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well, they have already implemented the ACA then. Because they will slip through. Unless a doctor will violate the law as his contribution to; and protection of, society at large, and the patient. I don't know about medical doctors, but psychotherapists have a duty to warn. The privilege of confidentiality ends where public peril begins. K.

BamaD -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 10:59:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata So we have yet another mass killing of helpless people in a gun-free zone, GUN FREE ZONE! When will stop making shit up! A gun-free zone, that's right. Lowercase. As in a location where for whatever reason the carrying of firearms is forbidden. Let's not go through the Gun Free School Zones Act again. That rabbit ain't in the hat anymore. K. Then where did he get the 2 handguns? Did the gun fairy appear and give them to him? He took them off of dead security guards

BamaD -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 11:01:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen He had the shotgun in his car when he came through the gate. He shot the guard at the building checkpoint and took his weapons, the handgun and the rifle. What rifle? I think the confusion comes from the fact that Piers Morgan announced that the shooter used a ar-15 shotgun. Of course, Morgan makes Kendom look like John Browning, but some on the left have to have that ar15 in the mix. The initial police reports said a shotgun, a pistol and an AR-15 rifle were recovered. Ken you do know that I was in no way insulting you don't you. There is still no suck thing as a ar 15 shotgun. D C cops, not a lot better than Morgan

BamaD -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 11:03:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie HIPAA is federal law that prohibits all health care professionals from revealing anyone's information without permission. The exception would be a clear and imminent threat, in which case there is a duty to inform the authorities. Saying 'I hear voices' in therapy doesn't trigger the exception. So far, none of the fingers that the media is pointing seem to match up to reality. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well, they have already implemented the ACA then. Because they will slip through. Unless a doctor will violate the law as his contribution to; and protection of, society at large, and the patient. I don't know about medical doctors, but psychotherapists have a duty to warn. The privilege of confidentiality ends where public peril begins. K. So the problem is HIPAA not the background checks?

stef -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 11:23:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There is still no suck thing as a ar 15 shotgun. Perhaps not, but the Akdal Arms MKA 1919 and Safir Arms T-14 sure do look an awful lot like AR-15s.

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 11:32:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata So we have yet another mass killing of helpless people in a gun-free zone, GUN FREE ZONE! When will stop making shit up! A gun-free zone, that's right. Lowercase. As in a location where for whatever reason the carrying of firearms is forbidden. Let's not go through the Gun Free School Zones Act again. That rabbit ain't in the hat anymore. K. Then where did he get the 2 handguns? Did the gun fairy appear and give them to him? He took them off of dead security guards My point. How could it have been a gun free zone if there were two armed guards that he shot and took those guns from.

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 11:34:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen He had the shotgun in his car when he came through the gate. He shot the guard at the building checkpoint and took his weapons, the handgun and the rifle. What rifle? I think the confusion comes from the fact that Piers Morgan announced that the shooter used a ar-15 shotgun. Of course, Morgan makes Kendom look like John Browning, but some on the left have to have that ar15 in the mix. The initial police reports said a shotgun, a pistol and an AR-15 rifle were recovered. Ken you do know that I was in no way insulting you don't you. There is still no suck thing as a ar 15 shotgun. D C cops, not a lot better than Morgan I didn't think you were. I was clarifying that I got that info from sources that were not Piers Morgan and actually was many hours before his show which I did not watch.

DomKen -> RE: US Navy Shootings. (9/17/2013 11:36:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There is still no suck thing as a ar 15 shotgun. Perhaps not, but the Akdal Arms MKA 1919 and Safir Arms T-14 sure do look an awful lot like AR-15s. I had never seen either of those but without something to scale the bore on those I'd call them AR-15's.

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