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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/22/2013 4:22:55 PM

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When I was in the military we were issued winchester pump 12 ga. shotguns w/18 riot barrels on them. When we were in country we would cut them back to where the barrel was fush with the magazine tube...about 4 iches off of the tip.

Holy shit.

With 18 barrels, I can see why you'd want to saw them off. They must have been heavy suckers to lug around.

K.

Have you a clue how much troube it is to clean a 18 barrel shotgun?

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/22/2013 5:26:15 PM

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Okay, so on the one hand, I have the New Yorker, the Library of Congress, and my reading of the Miller opinion.

On the other, I have SOME GUY RAVING ON THE INTERNET.

Yes, that's a tough call as to whom to believe.

ok lets start with the new yorker. are you saying that the heller case never happened? cause that what the new yoker article says...
and if they can't even get THAT right I dismiss EVERYTHING the man says!
this is nothing more than an anti gun author putting forth an article and PRETENDING the heller case NEVER happened, and hoping people are to stupid to know!

done with that one!

I didn't see a link to the library of congress, but I presume you mean the text of the miller case, which does not say the right to hear arms is limited to militias, it says, since in their opinion a saw off shot gun is not part of regular militia gear is cannot be protected by the 2nd amendment

to put it simply, if the INDIVUAL was called up to serve in a militia, bringing a saw off shot gun would not be apropriate gear, but it does not say as an individual he does not have a right to own/bear other arms...
just because you see the word milita in a SC opinion/ruling does not mean what ever you want it to mean, it means what is actualy said, that that PARTICULAR GUN, is not covered, it does not adreess indivual rights one way or the other!

your INTERPRETATON of the miller case is INCCORECT!!

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/22/2013 5:34:04 PM

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Now where was I? Oh yeah, your source is a bag'o'shite.

Oh knock it off. Every time somebody doesn't like the facts they're confronted with, they pull this shit.

Firstly that isn't the page I linked, so you're not even addressing what I posted. Secondly, Nationmaster isn't the source of the data. The source of the rape data that you linked is the European Institute for Crime Prevention and Control. And thirdly, the page you're viewing is mixing data from different years, and mixing rate and totals data. Whether you clicked on a badly formed link, or just did a lousy copy and paste job, this is the correct link for 2009 data:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap-crime-rapes&date=2009

A fuller compliment of rate data is available for 2008 (just change the year at the end of the URL)

Personally, I don't find EICPC very useful for a variety of reasons. In some countries sexual assaults are almost never reported to police, and sexual assault data from other countries includes instances of inappropriate touching. The pages I linked are victim statistics from the United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute.

K.

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/22/2013 5:44:09 PM

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ok lets start with the new yorker. are you saying that the heller case never happened? cause that what the new yoker article says...
and if they can't even get THAT right I dismiss EVERYTHING the man says!
this is nothing more than an anti gun author putting forth an article and PRETENDING the heller case NEVER happened, and hoping people are to stupid to know!

You appear to have missed the last two paragraphs, which are all about Heller and include a link to the opinion.

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/22/2013 6:42:33 PM

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Preparing for the Advanced Placement Examination

Lol!

One reason I homeschool my children... 4x3 does not equal 11. Public schools indoctrinate our youth...

With Common Core in the majority of the states, the demand (Bill Gates backed) is globalized education. Its frightening and the majority of people know little, if anything about it.

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/23/2013 1:24:00 AM

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ok lets start with the new yorker. are you saying that the heller case never happened? cause that what the new yoker article says...
and if they can't even get THAT right I dismiss EVERYTHING the man says!
this is nothing more than an anti gun author putting forth an article and PRETENDING the heller case NEVER happened, and hoping people are to stupid to know!

You appear to have missed the last two paragraphs, which are all about Heller and include a link to the opinion.

you mean the part where he says since he doesn't LIKE that ruling it doesn't count?
where he explains why in the ealier part of the article he pretended it never happened?
that the part you are refering to?

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/23/2013 1:58:47 AM

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you mean the part where he says since he doesn't LIKE that ruling it doesn't count?
where he explains why in the ealier part of the article he pretended it never happened?
that the part you are refering to?

There's an old adage you may want to ponder: "When you're in a hole, quitting digging."

No amount of sarcasm or CAPS LOCK USAGE can disguise the fact that your posts in this thread are increasingly unmoored from reality.

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/23/2013 11:09:17 AM

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you mean the part where he says since he doesn't LIKE that ruling it doesn't count?
where he explains why in the ealier part of the article he pretended it never happened?
that the part you are refering to?

There's an old adage you may want to ponder: "When you're in a hole, quitting digging."

No amount of sarcasm or CAPS LOCK USAGE can disguise the fact that your posts in this thread are increasingly unmoored from reality.

yes yes I UNDERSTAND, when you don't like what's said, don't try to refute it, just ignore it!

did or did not the author state early in the article that supreme courts in fact all courts have ruled its limited to militia, with no exceptions listed? then did or did not it contradict itself and say well there was this ONE CASE, but since in my opinion it was politiclally motivated.....

seems to me you are the one who has dug a hole and quit digging as you have now refused to argue your point twice.

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/23/2013 11:38:35 AM

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There is nothing to refute, if anyone can read, and most of us can at least a little, they will see that you have made two untrue statements regarding the new yorker article without and great feats of detection necessary. So boldface lies makes anything that is perorated upon those lies nothing but buffoonery.

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/23/2013 12:24:56 PM

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ok lets start with the new yorker. are you saying that the heller case never happened? cause that what the new yoker article says...
and if they can't even get THAT right I dismiss EVERYTHING the man says!
this is nothing more than an anti gun author putting forth an article and PRETENDING the heller case NEVER happened, and hoping people are to stupid to know!

You appear to have missed the last two paragraphs, which are all about Heller and include a link to the opinion.

And which clearly states that the scope of Heller is still up in the are.
The rest of the article is based upon the outright lie that the 2nd was never intended to be an individual right

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/23/2013 4:02:24 PM

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And which clearly states that the scope of Heller is still up in the are.

That would come under the heading of being "all about Heller," no?

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The rest of the article is based upon the outright lie that the 2nd was never intended to be an individual right.

Calling a respected legal author a liar is a serious accusation. What's your evidence for it?

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RE: Teaching Our Children - 9/23/2013 5:35:27 PM

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And which clearly states that the scope of Heller is still up in the are.

That would come under the heading of being "all about Heller," no?

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The rest of the article is based upon the outright lie that the 2nd was never intended to be an individual right.

Calling a respected legal author a liar is a serious accusation. What's your evidence for it?

OK lets examine the evidence of a lie

the article says, ""In other words, according to the Supreme Court, and the lower courts as well, the amendment conferred on state militias a right to bear arms—but did not give individuals a right to own or carry a weapon"

the aurthor clearly states that the supmreme court and ALL other courts agree, its to a militia and NOT to an indivual...
now is that TRUE?
no it is not because in the heller case the supreme court DID rule the exact opposite of that.
maybe he FORGOT, or maybe he just never heard of the heller case?
NOOOO thats not it, because he mentions heller later in the article..

what do we call something that's knowingly said and IS NOT TRUE, ohhh yeahh a LIE!

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