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Aynne88 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/20/2013 10:13:34 PM)
Exactly. http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm?hl=ME&hlst=ME * Myth #4 "Guns cause violence" Homicide For over twenty years it has been illegal for teens to buy guns and, despite such gun control, the African American teenage male homicide rate in Washington, DC is 227 per 100,000 - 20 times the US average! [5] The US group for whom legal gun ownership has the highest prevalence, middle-aged white men, has a homicide rate of less than 7 per 100,000 - about half of the US average. [6] If the "guns-cause-violence theory is correct why does Virginia, the alleged "easy purchase source of all those illegal Washington, DC guns, have a murder rate of 9.3 per 100,000, one- ninth of DC's overall homicide rate of 80.6? [7 ]Why are homicide rates lowest in states with loose gun control (North Dakota 1.1, Maine 1.2, South Dakota 1.7, Idaho 1.8, Iowa 2.0, Montana 2.6) and highest in states and the district with draconian gun controls and bans (District of Columbia 80.6, New York 14.2, California 12.7, Illinois 11.3, Maryland 11.7)? [7] The "guns- cause-violence and "guns exacerbate violence theories founder. Again, the causes of inner city violence are family disruption, media violence, and abject poverty, not gun ownership.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/20/2013 10:22:33 PM)
Spock has the answer: [image]local://upfiles/1271250/0CE7B7A5963648389D84EAAEFE1EAF0B.jpg[/image]

BamaD -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/20/2013 10:38:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And how do they know where these guns will be. because as and when police come across them, they get confiscated. Gun amnesties also work. No guns start as illegal, so it is proper control keeps it that way for the most part. The main increase in gun crime started when our troops started coming home from Bosnia and Iraq the first time around. Last year gun crime in London was down 20%, so something is working. And you have a generation unable to defend themselves against bad guys with guns. You remember the IRA armed themselves by taking guns off of British soldiers with knives in their backs (early 20th century) This too is laughable I had never heard that but I am sure the IRA doesn't really need guns to kill, do they? By the sixties they had moved on to bombs, but that's ok because it cut down on gun crimes. Besides the only crime we need to worry about are gun crimes committed in the U S. To mention any thing else is, as politesub pointed out is low, even for me.

TheHeretic -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/20/2013 10:55:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD prepare to be ripped. Prison isn't the only way we will cull the herd. [;)]

BamaD -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/20/2013 11:00:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD prepare to be ripped. Prison isn't the only way we will cull the herd. [;)] roger that

eulero83 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 12:59:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Thank you Eulero. JLF, gun homicides per 100,000 in the US are 2.97 % In the UK its only 0.7 % Do you want me to do the maths ? I am not denying there is a problem. I am simply saying that your "solution" is unrealistic. Sure police can confiscate guns, put people in prison... which is what happens anyway. Now, we already have overcrowded prisons, mostly non violent offenders, which the rest of the world screams about how inhuman our prison system is anyway, so we just add to the problem. Personally, I feel that rapists, child molesters, child pornographers, murderers should not be placed in prison for life. A better solution would be to take them out, stand em against a wall, and let the families of their victims keep shooting them until they are dead. Someone once more mentioned accidental gun deaths, yearly average is 831 out of 145 to 160 million gun owners. Accidental deaths due to negligent drivers exceed that number by tens of thousands. In the United States, when there is a shooting we blame the gun and gun owners. When there is a fatal car accident we blame the driver. When there is a terrorist act, we are told not to blame all Muslims or what ever group the terrorist came from. Then there is the famous "guns kill people" line that makes me laugh. Guns do not kill people, people with guns kill people. Just like people with bombs kill people, people with knives kill people, people with clubs kill people, people with bare hands kill people. By the way, I redid an experiment over the last couple of weeks, daily telling my firearms to kill someone. They never did. They must be defective or pacifists. sorry if I'm taking back the discussion at this point but after this I just see posts not worth an answer but anyway they kind of prove my point as they are almost gun enthusiast memes reposted. I've never seen islamic associations complaining about airport's strich controls because most terrosit attacks hit embassies or trains, I've never seen car owners groups and associations protesting against exams for a driving licence or controls against DUI, but when stricher laws on controlling the trade or the access to guns group of gun owners protested, so as guns are also the most effective tool for professional criminals the attitude of this groups is giving better opportunities to the most annoing share of criminals, so this is one of the reasons, many protests by gun owners group are indirectly supporting crimes like robbery or extorsion and small gangs in general, as with their attitude are giving to this professional criminal an easier access to effective tools for their job. So I ask you a question, as responsible gun owner what kind of restriction are you willing to accept when buying or selling a gun, in order to obstruct professional criminals access to guns?

Politesub53 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 4:10:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And how do they know where these guns will be. because as and when police come across them, they get confiscated. Gun amnesties also work. No guns start as illegal, so it is proper control keeps it that way for the most part. The main increase in gun crime started when our troops started coming home from Bosnia and Iraq the first time around. Last year gun crime in London was down 20%, so something is working. And you have a generation unable to defend themselves against bad guys with guns. You remember the IRA armed themselves by taking guns off of British soldiers with knives in their backs (early 20th century) This too is laughable I had never heard that but I am sure the IRA doesn't really need guns to kill, do they? By the sixties they had moved on to bombs, but that's ok because it cut down on gun crimes. Besides the only crime we need to worry about are gun crimes committed in the U S. To mention any thing else is, as politesub pointed out is low, even for me. Yes, I did indeed point out your post was low. It had fuck all to do with the topic at hand. It had little to do with Australia other than some Australian tourists were with the party that was attacked. PNG and Australia = two different countries. [8\|] You are also talking bollocks about the IRA and how they become armed, doesnt World War One ring any fucking bells in that brain of yours, Great Britian was awash with guns. Many thousands of Catholics were actually fighting for the King. The IRB, forerunners to the IRA, obtained their money via donations from the US and arms then purchased from Germany. You are spouting even more bollocks re gun ownership in the UK as a whole prior to the 1923 Firearms act (Note the date) Up until then ANYONE could own a weapon. The 1903 Pistol act was introduced to stop pistols getting into the hands of criminals and drunkards, you could still obtain one with a license and that continued to be the case right up until the Dunblane Massacre which took place in a school. Stricter firearms controls took place in 1923 exactly for the reasons stated, the country was awash with guns. Like I said, you are indeed entitled to your own incorrect opinion but not your own facts.

BamaD -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 4:28:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And how do they know where these guns will be. because as and when police come across them, they get confiscated. Gun amnesties also work. No guns start as illegal, so it is proper control keeps it that way for the most part. The main increase in gun crime started when our troops started coming home from Bosnia and Iraq the first time around. Last year gun crime in London was down 20%, so something is working. And you have a generation unable to defend themselves against bad guys with guns. You remember the IRA armed themselves by taking guns off of British soldiers with knives in their backs (early 20th century) This too is laughable I had never heard that but I am sure the IRA doesn't really need guns to kill, do they? By the sixties they had moved on to bombs, but that's ok because it cut down on gun crimes. Besides the only crime we need to worry about are gun crimes committed in the U S. To mention any thing else is, as politesub pointed out is low, even for me. Yes, I did indeed point out your post was low. It had fuck all to do with the topic at hand. It had little to do with Australia other than some Australian tourists were with the party that was attacked. PNG and Australia = two different countries. [8\|] You are also talking bollocks about the IRA and how they become armed, doesnt World War One ring any fucking bells in that brain of yours, Great Britian was awash with guns. Many thousands of Catholics were actually fighting for the King. The IRB, forerunners to the IRA, obtained their money via donations from the US and arms then purchased from Germany. You are spouting even more bollocks re gun ownership in the UK as a whole prior to the 1923 Firearms act (Note the date) Up until then ANYONE could own a weapon. The 1903 Pistol act was introduced to stop pistols getting into the hands of criminals and drunkards, you could still obtain one with a license and that continued to be the case right up until the Dunblane Massacre which took place in a school. Stricter firearms controls took place in 1923 exactly for the reasons stated, the country was awash with guns. Like I said, you are indeed entitled to your own incorrect opinion but not your own facts. Simply laughable

Politesub53 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 4:54:44 AM)
And now we have it, the facts of anything are laughable. [8\|]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 5:00:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Simply laughable You think the constitution and 'your rights' are irrevocable because they are your 'rights'?? It isn't set in stone ya know. It was written by men in power and can be revoked by men in power. Simples. The Greeks had a constitution, the new powers just ripped it up and wrote a new one 2 years ago. Now they are rewriting yet another one. It just proves that any constitution written by men can be unwritten to something else. Ours was a similar situation. The country was awash with guns - just like the US is today. The powers that be just rewrote part of our 'rights' and now we don't have such a problem. So it can be done - if there is enough willpower at the top to want it. But you guys just keep wallowing in your gun-owning regime and play ostrich. One day it will come. Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to see mass shootings in the US and just roll our eyes at the stupidity. And you wonder why the rest of the world is less than sympathetic to your gun crimes?? Sheeesh. It doesn't take much to work that one out!

jlf1961 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 5:49:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Simply laughable You think the constitution and 'your rights' are irrevocable because they are your 'rights'?? It isn't set in stone ya know. It was written by men in power and can be revoked by men in power. Simples. The Greeks had a constitution, the new powers just ripped it up and wrote a new one 2 years ago. Now they are rewriting yet another one. It just proves that any constitution written by men can be unwritten to something else. Ours was a similar situation. The country was awash with guns - just like the US is today. The powers that be just rewrote part of our 'rights' and now we don't have such a problem. So it can be done - if there is enough willpower at the top to want it. But you guys just keep wallowing in your gun-owning regime and play ostrich. One day it will come. Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to see mass shootings in the US and just roll our eyes at the stupidity. And you wonder why the rest of the world is less than sympathetic to your gun crimes?? Sheeesh. It doesn't take much to work that one out! True, constitutions can be rewritten... Hence the second amendment.

crazyml -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 6:35:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Now tell me again how banning guns will stop gun crime? I mean criminals obey the laws right? You're absolutely right, a gun ban will not stop gun crime. An enforced and policed gun ban, certainly would - Because there would be no guns. That one's not very complicated. The complication is that if a proposed ban cannot be enforced, then it's a pointless exercise. Because criminals are nice people if you take away the guns. And it would only mean living in a police state. I'm at a loss - I have no fucking clue how you could have inferred that from my post. <shrugs>

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 6:37:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Here's one [image]local://upfiles/1271250/743F2E6002084B36BDC12B9CD4E88F35.jpg[/image] See? That would make a criminal think "better leave my gun in the glove box".

crazyml -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 7:37:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Now tell me again how banning guns will stop gun crime? I mean criminals obey the laws right? You're absolutely right, a gun ban will not stop gun crime. An enforced and policed gun ban, certainly would - Because there would be no guns. That one's not very complicated. The complication is that if a proposed ban cannot be enforced, then it's a pointless exercise. Let's say for a minute that you are right and the best thing to do is get rid of all guns. Well... it's pretty fucking certain that if you got rid of all guns there would be no gun crime. I mean - that's pretty fucking obvious. quote: So Obama wakes up tomorrow and declares "all guns are now illegal". Ok, now what? You can get the law abiding citizens to turn in their weapons but how are you going to get the criminals and mental nuts to turn in theirs? Because those are the ones who are going to go out and kill people. They are the ones who are the problem. No shit! Gosh.. Do you think that this might be the reason I wrote... "The complication is that if a proposed ban cannot be enforced, then it's a pointless exercise." Might it be remotely possible that I can see some issues with actually making a ban happen? Did you miss that? quote: If you are going to try to get me to change my stance on guns, you are going to have to show me a plan that might work. Until then I am not going to be happy with only bad people and LEO being armed. As I thought I'd made pretty fucking clear - there's no point in a gun ban unless it actually worked - until I figure one out, or someone much smarter than me figures one out, I'm not going to try to change your stance on guns.

crazyml -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 7:38:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Here's one [image]local://upfiles/1271250/743F2E6002084B36BDC12B9CD4E88F35.jpg[/image] See? That would make a criminal think "better leave my gun in the glove box". It might make a criminal think "I don't need to take a gun"

BamaD -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 7:53:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 And now we have it, the facts of anything are laughable. [8\|] No your silly presumption is laughable. And you confirmed my contention that in the minds of many foreigners only deaths in the U S and then only gun deaths are fair game. And I knew it didn't happen in Australia but I can see how you would assume that a mere colonial wouldn't know that.

jlf1961 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 8:03:31 AM)
As I said, I told my guns to kill someone, they didnt, thus proving that guns kill people is a false statement. I then did another experiment to see if my guns told ME to kill someone. They didnt. As I stated before I do have the overwhelming desire to hunt the asshole who came up with "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo" and pepper his ass with rock salt mixed with ghost chili to teach him a lesson. But then I also have the urge to sneak over to the UK and paint Politesub's house green with pink and purple polka dots and raise an Alfred E. Nueman What me worry? flag over it.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 8:05:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 You think the constitution and 'your rights' are irrevocable because they are your 'rights'?? It isn't set in stone ya know. It was written by men in power and can be revoked by men in power. Simples. The Greeks had a constitution, the new powers just ripped it up and wrote a new one 2 years ago. Now they are rewriting yet another one. It just proves that any constitution written by men can be unwritten to something else. Ours was a similar situation. The country was awash with guns - just like the US is today. The powers that be just rewrote part of our 'rights' and now we don't have such a problem. So it can be done - if there is enough willpower at the top to want it. But you guys just keep wallowing in your gun-owning regime and play ostrich. One day it will come. Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to see mass shootings in the US and just roll our eyes at the stupidity. And you wonder why the rest of the world is less than sympathetic to your gun crimes?? Sheeesh. It doesn't take much to work that one out! True, constitutions can be rewritten... Hence the second amendment. Amen.

TheHeretic -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 8:21:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 You think the constitution and 'your rights' are irrevocable because they are your 'rights'?? It isn't set in stone ya know. It was written by men in power and can be revoked by men in power. Simples. The Greeks had a constitution, the new powers just ripped it up and wrote a new one 2 years ago. Now they are rewriting yet another one. It just proves that any constitution written by men can be unwritten to something else. Ours was a similar situation. The country was awash with guns - just like the US is today. The powers that be just rewrote part of our 'rights' and now we don't have such a problem. So it can be done - if there is enough willpower at the top to want it. But you guys just keep wallowing in your gun-owning regime and play ostrich. One day it will come. Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to see mass shootings in the US and just roll our eyes at the stupidity. And you wonder why the rest of the world is less than sympathetic to your gun crimes?? Sheeesh. It doesn't take much to work that one out! This is the arguement of a subject, servant, or a slave. Unfortunately, it doesn't translate well to a nation of free people. Those in power can start the process to amend the Constitution of my country, but then it goes out for 2/3 of the states to ratify. Ain't gonna happen.

eulero83 -> RE: Now tell me again.... (9/21/2013 8:34:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 As I said, I told my guns to kill someone, they didnt, thus proving that guns kill people is a false statement. I then did another experiment to see if my guns told ME to kill someone. They didnt. so you just demostrated that guns don't kill but gun owners do

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