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dcnovice -> Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/21/2013 6:47:46 PM)
From Washington Post writer Ezra Klein: [image]https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/559361_233472873474688_793242786_n.jpg[/image] Thoughts, anyone? Is Klein onto something?

DomKen -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/21/2013 7:01:38 PM)
Of course he is. That is why the GOP is in such a frenzy to stop the exchanges from opening on Oct. 1 and failing that to sow fear and to sabotage educational efforts. As a matter of fact I would go so far as to say they know it will be a huge success and they know it could produce a generation long shift in the population's attitude towards the conservative movement.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/21/2013 7:25:14 PM)
I don't think it can turn into a real debacle in that short of time. Too many people are interested in trying to make this plan work. I expect the Pubs are going to continue fighting this as they have hoping still to derail it. If that doesn't work they'll change their strategy to slowly degrading it over time until it malfunctions. Probably through some form of an "opt out" clause.

DarkSteven -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/21/2013 7:36:58 PM)
I dunno. The modern GOP has several very solid planks in the platform. Do everything possible to repeal Roe vs Wade. Fight all tax hikes. Fight cuts to defense. Fight gun control. Complain that government (i.e., social programs) is too big. Push Christianity. Oppose anything Obama proposes, especially Obamacare. They're deeply torn on immigration and marijuana legalization. If they were to allow Obamacare, that would involve pragmatism over ideology. They're not wired that way. I suspect they're also livid because Obama rammed it through using reconciliation after the GOP refused to discuss Obamacare.

RottenJohnny -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/21/2013 7:52:32 PM)
Perfect timing for the thread. I just had this blurb show up on my home page.... http://home.core.com/home/article.php?category=breaking&article=92eaf3be8cf34223906b9d4454e7bb8b

cloudboy -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/21/2013 9:31:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven If they were to allow Obamacare, that would involve pragmatism over ideology. They're not wired that way. Great post. Love the understatement here....

thishereboi -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/22/2013 8:03:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I dunno. The modern GOP has several very solid planks in the platform. Do everything possible to repeal Roe vs Wade. Fight all tax hikes. Fight cuts to defense. Fight gun control. Complain that government (i.e., social programs) is too big. Push Christianity. Oppose anything Obama proposes, especially Obamacare. They're deeply torn on immigration and marijuana legalization. If they were to allow Obamacare, that would involve pragmatism over ideology. They're not wired that way. I suspect they're also livid because Obama rammed it through using reconciliation after the GOP refused to discuss Obamacare. Well they need something to balance out the lefts planks. Try to extend the abortion limit to a week after birth. Tax the hell out of the people. Dismantle the defense system. ban all guns complain that the government is too small make Christianity a crime. Oppose anything the right proposes. Not too concerned about immigration. Just open the borders and let them in. After all the government can pay for them since they have unlimited funds. Claim they don't care about pot but if they are in a mood go ahead and bust the growers anyway. I suspect they are also livid because in spite of them screaming that no one in their right minds would vote for the right, people are still doing it.

slavekate80 -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/22/2013 8:47:36 AM)
Not necessarily. Even in the reasonable worst-case scenario, it won't cause a lot of obvious damage that quickly, and it's going to benefit some people, turning into a media war where the benefits to helped individuals are pitted against the harm to those who got the short end of the stick. You also have a few people in the government who really do believe it's a bad system and they don't want to implement a bad system that's only going to get harder and harder to get rid of. (I disagree that it's bad, but do think it's been oversold... a small improvement hailed as a serious game-changer.)

Phydeaux -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/22/2013 6:25:06 PM)
Ezra has no idea what republicans or independents think.

joether -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 1:40:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I dunno. The modern GOP has several very solid planks in the platform. Do everything possible to repeal Roe vs Wade. Fight all tax hikes. Fight cuts to defense. Fight gun control. Complain that government (i.e., social programs) is too big. Push Christianity. Oppose anything Obama proposes, especially Obamacare. They're deeply torn on immigration and marijuana legalization. If they were to allow Obamacare, that would involve pragmatism over ideology. They're not wired that way. I suspect they're also livid because Obama rammed it through using reconciliation after the GOP refused to discuss Obamacare. Well they need something to balance out the lefts planks. Try to extend the abortion limit to a week after birth. Tax the hell out of the people. Dismantle the defense system. ban all guns complain that the government is too small make Christianity a crime. Oppose anything the right proposes. Not too concerned about immigration. Just open the borders and let them in. After all the government can pay for them since they have unlimited funds. Claim they don't care about pot but if they are in a mood go ahead and bust the growers anyway. I suspect they are also livid because in spite of them screaming that no one in their right minds would vote for the right, people are still doing it. Where the heck do you come up with this load of dung? This is some Grade "A" Bull Droppings! Politicians from around the world come to America to learn how the GOP spin, interpreted, and spew out tons of Grade "A" Bull droppings each and everyday. Since they can not produce Grade "A" Bull Droppings in their own country. The grand majority of the stuff the right proposes is just.....silly. Your opposed to The Affordable Care Act, but never sat down and took the time to READ THE BILL. What's wrong? Cant find any time in the last forty-four months to sit down and read it? So you have had others tell you how to think on it, since they do not think your intelligent, educated, or wise enough to think for yourself. And these are the people your voting in to office and supporting. They are insulting you to your face, and STILL, can not acknowledge it. Each of your arguments is just.....well....just click on the link....

papassion -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 9:26:56 AM)
What part of "REALITY" don't Liberals understand? You cannot give everyone, everything and think it is all going to work out. Forget what education Greece, Spain, etc, etc, etc. got from Liberal ideas. The latest CBO figures show our spending is unstainable. Our economy is phony and being propped up by the government printing 85 billion a month out of thin air. The only reason other countries need our dollars is because it is the "international currency" Russia and China are making deals with other countries that don't require purchases between countries in US dollars. When enough countries agree to this, we are screwed and the dollar will become almost worthless. Buy silver and gold to cover your ass when the shit hits the fan.

mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 9:54:38 AM)
But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels.

DsBound -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 11:34:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels. With medical costs at a ridiculous amount now, Obamacare is not the answer!

mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 11:41:09 AM)
OK, what is the answer? Because teabaggers don't even got the question. Now insofar as the Forbes Opinion article goes, it can be dismissed out of hand as fanciful teabagger masturbatory fucksticking.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 11:47:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels. With medical costs at a ridiculous amount now, Obamacare is not the answer! OK, we have the most expensive health care in the world and it's about #20 when it comes to quality. What's the answer? Unfortunately, the R controlled house has no clue.

popeye1250 -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 11:53:10 AM)
I agree. Let it fall down on itself. Or,....let the American People vote on it next year.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 12:29:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels. With medical costs at a ridiculous amount now, Obamacare is not the answer! OK, we have the most expensive health care in the world and it's about #20 when it comes to quality. What's the answer? Unfortunately, the R controlled house has no clue. While more people will be covered under Obamacare, the most expensive health care in the world will be getting even more expensive. That was what the Forbes' article pointed out.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 12:31:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels. With medical costs at a ridiculous amount now, Obamacare is not the answer! OK, we have the most expensive health care in the world and it's about #20 when it comes to quality. What's the answer? Unfortunately, the R controlled house has no clue. While more people will be covered under Obamacare, the most expensive health care in the world will be getting even more expensive. That was what the Forbes' article pointed out. What you said has absolutely nothing to do with my post. I wasn't, nor have I ever advocated Obamacare. My post was about the problem the R side has with running around yelling "this is bad, this is horrible" without offering up anything resembling an alternative.

mnottertail -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 12:33:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels. With medical costs at a ridiculous amount now, Obamacare is not the answer! OK, we have the most expensive health care in the world and it's about #20 when it comes to quality. What's the answer? Unfortunately, the R controlled house has no clue. While more people will be covered under Obamacare, the most expensive health care in the world will be getting even more expensive. That was what the Forbes' article pointed out. But we don't have any facts to go along with its pointing out, one assumes without to huge of a leap since profits are going to be shorn into the 20% range that it should be less expensive.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Interesting Take on Obamacare (9/23/2013 12:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail But what part of 'Reality' don't 'conservatives' understand? They are borrowing and spending at massively destructive levels. With medical costs at a ridiculous amount now, Obamacare is not the answer! OK, we have the most expensive health care in the world and it's about #20 when it comes to quality. What's the answer? Unfortunately, the R controlled house has no clue. While more people will be covered under Obamacare, the most expensive health care in the world will be getting even more expensive. That was what the Forbes' article pointed out. But we don't have any facts to go along with its pointing out, one assumes without to huge of a leap since profits are going to be shorn into the 20% range that it should be less expensive. 1. Did you read the article? If you did, any question of their facts should go to them. 2. Where are your facts supporting your claims? Aren't you, essentially, doing exactly the same thing you are accusing Forbes of doing?

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