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France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 9:13:55 AM

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I think the French government make a very valid point when they say child beauty pageants sexualize young girls and give them the wrong impression about what really matters.

Will the UK and America follow in its footsteps?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-cruz/the-french-government-ban_b_3958301.html

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 10:00:06 AM

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One can only hope that others will follow suit.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 10:04:44 AM

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I hoped someone would take that stand. It is too bad I don't believe the US will embrace the stance against the sexualization of young girls.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 10:44:15 AM

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Will the UK and America follow in its footsteps?

I hope so.
Everything about them disturbs me.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 11:36:44 AM

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Good. Hope the US follows through.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 11:42:33 AM

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Normally, my first thought would be: "As the French go, so go surrenderers, everywhere" but, I have to admit that this is probably a positive thing.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 11:50:00 AM

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hmmmm...

"voted this week to ban beauty pageants for children under 16"

yeah,.. and what of child models???? I guess no change on that..

of course, all the child beauty pageants have to do is move to another country in the EU that has not banned them.. I expect that is what will happen..

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 12:00:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Normally, my first thought would be: "As the French go, so go surrenderers, everywhere" but, I have to admit that this is probably a positive thing.

Darn.... I would love to debate that sometime!!

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 12:03:10 PM

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I wouldn't have a problem if they did away with them. I have tried in the past to watch a couple and the kids spent 90% of the show crying. That and the basic idea of dressing up a kid to look like an adult models makes me sick.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 12:05:12 PM

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Ja, jebus, it was traumatic enough to vie for the best rester award in kindergarden, I think that should be plenty enough.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 12:16:33 PM

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hmmmm...

"voted this week to ban beauty pageants for children under 16"

yeah,.. and what of child models???? I guess no change on that..

of course, all the child beauty pageants have to do is move to another country in the EU that has not banned them.. I expect that is what will happen..

French children have been banned which means, French children can not partake in beauty pageants anywhere within the European union.

I am inclined to agree to an extent. There needs to be more restrictions put on what a child can and can't model. Thylane Blondeaus (the one who this all kicked off over) pictures have caused huge controversy here in France. I'm absolutely against a child modelling in such a way.

On the other hand, my niece is a child model. She has only done three assignments. One was for an opticians, one was for a toy product and one was for a campaign against adults smoking in front of their children. Child models will always be needed and so to put a blanket ban on child modelling wouldn't be any different than putting a blanket ban on child acting.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 12:29:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

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hmmmm...

"voted this week to ban beauty pageants for children under 16"

yeah,.. and what of child models???? I guess no change on that..

of course, all the child beauty pageants have to do is move to another country in the EU that has not banned them.. I expect that is what will happen..

French children have been banned which means, French children can not partake in beauty pageants anywhere within the European union.

I am inclined to agree to an extent. There needs to be more restrictions put on what a child can and can't model. Thylane Blondeaus (the one who this all kicked off over) pictures have caused huge controversy here in France. I'm absolutely against a child modelling in such a way.

On the other hand, my niece is a child model. She has only done three assignments. One was for an opticians, one was for a toy product and one was for a campaign against adults smoking in front of their children. Child models will always be needed and so to put a blanket ban on child modelling wouldn't be any different than putting a blanket ban on child acting.

I also think there's a difference (albeit a slight one) between beauty pageants and modelling for advertisements.

True, modelling can be a cut-throat thing, as well but, ostensibly, you're being measured on your "acting" skills, your poise, how you respond to a camera (and the photographer's direction) as well as your looks.

A beauty pageant is just that; if you have a freckle, you're out.

I agree that there will always need to be children in modelling in some way or another. How do you sell childrens' clothing? Have adults wear them for photos?

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 1:58:20 PM

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French children have been banned which means, French children can not partake in beauty pageants anywhere within the European union.

I'm surprised that's even legal. In the U.S., states have the right to govern the state itself, not what happens outside the state. (Assuming whatever law the state passes doesn't violate federal law.) It would be like California passing a law that kids under 16 can't be served junk food in restaurants, and then prosecuting some restaurant in Minnesota for serving junk food to kids from California. That would infringe on Minnesota's right to govern itself.

I believe one of the only exceptions is marriage contracts, which, once issued in one state, must be recognised by the other states.

I would oppose a similar law for the U.S. Parents have the right to make basic choices about child-rearing without government interference. The government shouldn't dictate whether parents can enroll their kids in beauty pageants any more than it should dictate what parents feed their kids.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 3:07:40 PM

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We are dictated to over many things. Some ridiculous, some not so much. I for example was pleased when they stopped people smoking in restaurants and bars. I'm not against smoking, I was once a smoker but I don't want to sit and eat my dinner whilst having cigarette smoke wafting across my table. I believe that legislation was put in place to protect people. Not all legislation is bad.

Its the same with child beauty pageants. Should we as adults, judge children only on their appearance? Should we teach our children that its okay to judge others only on their appearance? Surely that is totally contrary to the development of a child.

Pam, I'm not sure how you can liken that to food. This is about putting fake tan, fake nails, fake hair and inches foundation, blusher and scarlet lipstick on your four year old to hide her age and make her look desirable. This is an unhealthy diet of parental vanity pushed on an innocent child.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 9:08:39 PM

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Well, what the French are banning falls well outside my normal range of interest, but in the US, I'd rather see them banned by the good sense of parents, than by statute. If Honeybooboo was a winner, I'd say the pool is already way down in the shallow end.

I really am a giant pain in the ass when it comes to free speech and expression.

Besides, for some of the participants, it might be the high point of their lives. I was getting a lap dance up in Portland a while back, and the stripper bragged to me that she had been Miss _____ back in 2009.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/25/2013 10:40:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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hmmmm...

"voted this week to ban beauty pageants for children under 16"

yeah,.. and what of child models???? I guess no change on that..

of course, all the child beauty pageants have to do is move to another country in the EU that has not banned them.. I expect that is what will happen..

French children have been banned which means, French children can not partake in beauty pageants anywhere within the European union.

I am inclined to agree to an extent. There needs to be more restrictions put on what a child can and can't model. Thylane Blondeaus (the one who this all kicked off over) pictures have caused huge controversy here in France. I'm absolutely against a child modelling in such a way.

On the other hand, my niece is a child model. She has only done three assignments. One was for an opticians, one was for a toy product and one was for a campaign against adults smoking in front of their children. Child models will always be needed and so to put a blanket ban on child modelling wouldn't be any different than putting a blanket ban on child acting.

I also think there's a difference (albeit a slight one) between beauty pageants and modelling for advertisements.

True, modelling can be a cut-throat thing, as well but, ostensibly, you're being measured on your "acting" skills, your poise, how you respond to a camera (and the photographer's direction) as well as your looks.

A beauty pageant is just that; if you have a freckle, you're out.

I agree that there will always need to be children in modelling in some way or another. How do you sell childrens' clothing? Have adults wear them for photos?

I don't see any difference between child beauty pageants and child models for the simple reason that (mostly) they are both doing the same thing.. hyper-sexualisation (& by that I don't mean a 2 year old modeling normal 2 year old clothing.. I am referring more to the 11, 12, young teen girls modeling "sexy" clothes, wearing make-up, sexy provocative poses and all that)..

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/26/2013 12:37:01 AM

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We are dictated to over many things. Some ridiculous, some not so much. I for example was pleased when they stopped people smoking in restaurants and bars. I'm not against smoking, I was once a smoker but I don't want to sit and eat my dinner whilst having cigarette smoke wafting across my table. I believe that legislation was put in place to protect people. Not all legislation is bad.

I didn't say all legislation was bad. Not remotely.

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Its the same with child beauty pageants. Should we as adults, judge children only on their appearance? Should we teach our children that its okay to judge others only on their appearance? Surely that is totally contrary to the development of a child.

Personally, I think the most important thing is to teach them is that, inevitably, there will be people who think differently than ourselves, and those differences aren't necessarily bad or worthy of censure.

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Pam, I'm not sure how you can liken that to food. This is about putting fake tan, fake nails, fake hair and inches foundation, blusher and scarlet lipstick on your four year old to hide her age and make her look desirable. This is an unhealthy diet of parental vanity pushed on an innocent child.

I suspect junk food and 2nd hand smoke adversely affect many more children than beauty pageants do, and I would be just as against the government trying to take those decisions away from parents.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/26/2013 1:49:27 AM

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Some of these children actually love to perform and dress up. It gives them confidence on stage, and they can show talent. So just as with most things there is an upside, along with a downside. When my daughter was little, I took her to two for fun, so I could dress her in gorgeous dresses and shoes. It wasn't our gig, a lot of the parents were ridiculous and some of those kids didn't want to even be there. But a few of those kids really lit up and you could tell they loved it.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/26/2013 3:08:24 AM

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I'm not against child performers, singers, dancers, acrobats and so on. I'm against the guardians of these children who doll them up to look like mini me.

I was never in beauty pageants but I was a child ballroom dancer and I was competed as a child and this is why I feel delighted about the French senates decision. His very words were, 'Let us protect our daughters'. I agree, this is not about banning a healthy competitive culture, its about stopping the sexualization of minors.

My memories of ballroom dancing are, being told by my step mum that she was going to change me from a little bitty girl to being women that all guys would desire! When I look back at the photos of me posing with that ridiculously false smile, I cringe at how provocative I look. By the age of eight I had been taught to pout my lips for the camera and flutter my eyelashes as I danced past the judge!

I remember how rough my mum was when she put my make-up on and how the false sparkly eyelashes stung my eyes. My hair was tugged into bun rings and ringlets were pinned to my head. The fittings for the ridiculously sexy outfit took weeks and involved many a slap round the ear because I wasn't standing still enough. I remember the long hours of standing around all dolled up but not being allowed to play in case I ruined my dress, my hair or my mak-up. At eight years old I would stand with my cousins bitching about the ugly ducklings in the room.

These competitions have far too many angry mothers and unhappy kids with false smiles. kids are cruel to one another according to their looks and what they wear but that cruelty is instilled into such a child by its mother from a young age.

It did have an affect on me as I grew up because all of my self-worth as an adult was based on my appearance. My first job was working as a dancer in the sex industry and that's not something I'm proud of and I absolutely blame that on the vanity that had been instilled in me at such a tender age. I grew up believing there was no desire without beauty. I only felt confident when I felt beautiful and so I needed that re-iterating to me all of the time. Provocative dancing ensured the compliments continued to flood in.

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RE: France to ban Child Beauty Pageants - 9/26/2013 3:16:26 AM

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Thank you for sharing this, Maria. I've always suspected many child contestants were miserable, having to be the person their parent are living through.

I detest the sexualization of children. Here in the US, it's big business. Twenty years ago when my daughter was 8, we shopped for a swimsuit for her, and it was hard to find ones in her size that WERE NOT highly sexual. And she was a small 8 year old. It was disgusting.

BTW: My daughter had no interest in those suits, since she'd been allowed to be a child, not some adult's sexualized little doll.

I would love to see pageants banned in the US and the mothers horse whipped, and not in a good way.

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