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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 1:43:00 PM   
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Ahhh shucks.. I'd prefer you (generic) keep thinking he's an idiot. Barring events I know I'm voting for him - no republican I'd rather more, nor democrat.
Course, the only problem is he's from texas. Different state would be better. Pennsylvania or such.

So you support a guy who is intentionally acting dumb and lying with every statement he makes? WTF.


As opposed to obama whose lies are damn near innumerable at this point?
Um.. yeah.

As opposed to Clinton - ' why I have no idea what happened to the Rose records...'.

or better yet...

"the benghazi attack was caused by stupid video no one ever saw. Of course it was a flash mob. Of course it was everyone brings mortars and road blocks to a demonstration"

As to the acting dumb - thats just your perception. Those on the right don't always have to proclaim themselves the smartest man in the room. Whereas those on the left suffer either secretly or open harbor that elitism. Would I prefer Cruz's down home style to Al Franken's style, or wasserman-schultz or... .yes.


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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 1:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		A motion to reconsider is not a recount and does not require him to have done a fucking thing:

RECONSIDERATION

1. When a question has been decided by the Senate, any Senator voting with the prevailing side or who has not voted may, on the same day or on either of the next two days of actual session thereafter, move a reconsideration; and if the Senate shall refuse to reconsider such a motion entered, or if such a motion is withdrawn by leave of the Senate, or if upon reconsideration the Senate shall affirm its first decision, no further motion to reconsider shall be in order unless by unanimous consent. Every motion to reconsider shall be decided by a majority vote, and may be laid on the table without affecting the question in reference to which the same is made, which shall be a final disposition of the motion.

2. When a bill, resolution, report, amendment, order, or message, upon which a vote has been taken, shall have gone out of the possession of the Senate and been communicated to the House of Representatives, the motion to reconsider shall be accompanied by a motion to request the House to return the same; which last motion shall be acted upon immediately, and without debate, and if determined in the negative shall be a final disposition of the motion to reconsider.

Which they will, refuse a reconsider on that, and still no recount, but he voted and on the prevailing side, so a motion to reconsider from him, is stangling his own bit of stupidity. So that bit of buffoonery has only done nothing.,To do number two and perhaps get the house to send back the bill (that will be stripped of the dogshit) to the senate, but it does not reinstate the amendment, and the government shuts down, and he has saved himself only from being a complete dumbass, to just a run of the mill gutter laying imbecile.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 1:53:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cruz was named the top debated in the nation in college but now his arguments are that republicans who do not support shutting down the government and defaulting on the national debt are like Neville Chamberlain appeasing Hitler by giving him the Sudetenland. The guy is an accomplished appeals attorney, having argued in front of the Supreme Court, and he is praising a "speech" made by Ashton Kutchner? That's not a down home style that is him playing dumb to appeal to dumb people. How can anyone support a guy who no one has any idea what he'll actually do?

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 1:53:58 PM   
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A motion to reconsider is not a recount and does not require him to have done a fucking thing:

RECONSIDERATION

1. When a question has been decided by the Senate, any Senator voting with the prevailing side or who has not voted may, on the same day or on either of the next two days of actual session thereafter, move a reconsideration;



Wrong again:
READ YOUR OWN QUOTE:

any Senator voting with the prevailing side
Senate rules require a senator to be on the prevailing side* in order for a motion to reconsider.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 1:58:25 PM   
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Cruz was named the top debated in the nation in college but now his arguments are that republicans who do not support shutting down the government and defaulting on the national debt are like Neville Chamberlain appeasing Hitler by giving him the Sudetenland. The guy is an accomplished appeals attorney, having argued in front of the Supreme Court, and he is praising a "speech" made by Ashton Kutchner? That's not a down home style that is him playing dumb to appeal to dumb people. How can anyone support a guy who no one has any idea what he'll actually do?


Obviously a rhetorical question.

Obama was a junior senator with essentially no track record. No history of legislative accomplishment. Didn't seem to stop millions from voting for him, now did it.

And obviously the "how can anyone support a guy .. no idea of what he'll actually do" is a bit hyperbolic, isn't it.
Frankly, I have a hard time understanding how anyone would vote for Rangel, or Wiener or corzine, or de Blasio or Ted Kennedy - and we already have a pretty good idea of what they've done.

You know.. things like murder, tax fraud, being a sexual predator....


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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 2:00:24 PM   
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Does anyone else see Cruz quoting Green eggs and ham as the country nears a shutdown as a modern day Nero fiddling while Rome burns?

Just another punkassmotherfucker trying to keep his seat at the trough.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 2:03:12 PM   
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Yeah, and he voted for the procedural vote that he was slobbering against. Damn poor theatre.


Voting for it gives you the opportunity to ask for a recount at a later date. Hedge your bets if the vote is close.

Doesn't that make him a liar and a cheat?

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 2:04:36 PM   
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Yeah, and he voted for the procedural vote that he was slobbering against. Damn poor theatre.


Voting for it gives you the opportunity to ask for a recount at a later date. Hedge your bets if the vote is close.



Nope. That is the most ludicrous shite ever uttered internet wise.

THere is no fucking recount.

He can ask for a vote (yeas and nays) on the question under consideration, that is all. it has to be sustained by 11 senators (one fifth the quorum) he cannot ask for a count once the bill has passed consideration, it must be immediate. But he can never ever ask for a re-polling of that count or any past count, if it was entered in the journal by a request for recording (11 senators again) then it is in the record, if it is asked to be called by voice (from the old, then without objection the measure is passed). . .

there is no recount. And his being in or out of any prior votes or talking about green eggs or ham is inconsequential to the senate rules for voting.





Wrong again Ron. Look up a motion to reconsider.
Byrd, who was a master tactician, used it on two occasions to great effect in the US senate.

a motion to reconsider is not a recount it is a literal revote. However the motion to reconsider on the CR was already made and tabled as is standard practice on all bills now.


I agree, as is clear from my original post. You make a motion to reconsider, and then change your vote at the later time in order to change the result of the original vote. If you doubt that, go look up what happened when Byrd used the tactic.

And obviously, no the motion to reconsider was not made at the time of the vote. Votes first. Motions to reconsider second.


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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 2:08:41 PM   
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Cruz was named the top debated in the nation in college but now his arguments are that republicans who do not support shutting down the government and defaulting on the national debt are like Neville Chamberlain appeasing Hitler by giving him the Sudetenland. The guy is an accomplished appeals attorney, having argued in front of the Supreme Court, and he is praising a "speech" made by Ashton Kutchner? That's not a down home style that is him playing dumb to appeal to dumb people. How can anyone support a guy who no one has any idea what he'll actually do?


Obviously a rhetorical question.

Obama was a junior senator with essentially no track record. No history of legislative accomplishment. Didn't seem to stop millions from voting for him, now did it.

And obviously the "how can anyone support a guy .. no idea of what he'll actually do" is a bit hyperbolic, isn't it.

No it is not. This is a very smart guy with an impressive resume but ever since he started running for the Senate he's put up a dumb persona. I understand someone playing to his audience to get elected but he's gotten elected isn't it time for the smart guy to step up and start governing? What it looks like to everyone not a pure GOP partisan is this guy wants to be President and thinks his ticket is to be a dumb tea party rube which is far more cynical than any of the people you defamed.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 2:10:12 PM   
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Any Senator voting with the prevailing side or who has not voted may....


So that rather shoots the shit out of the extravagant but ignorant original claim that was made, some shit about a recount and that is why he did it.

No, he did it to be a ignorant fuckstick, and that was accomplished.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 2:10:49 PM   
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I agree, as is clear from my original post. You make a motion to reconsider, and then change your vote at the later time in order to change the result of the original vote. If you doubt that, go look up what happened when Byrd used the tactic.

And obviously, no the motion to reconsider was not made at the time of the vote. Votes first. Motions to reconsider second.

The Senate does learn from it's mistakes. Now a Senator who wants the vote to stand always makes a motion to reconsider immediately after the vote. The winning Senators always vote to table the motion and that kills it since only one such motion is allowed.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 2:20:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, and the motion to reconsider can be (and will be dismissed out of hand) and it could go to a call the yeas and nays, but it wouldnt do shit in this case, you would need a majority of those present and they aint gonna waste their time with this dogshit.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 7:36:34 PM   
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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 7:42:31 PM   
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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 7:49:35 PM   
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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 8:06:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		In answer to the thread title, yes, Polite, Cruz is quite real, and he's a United States Senator. If those facts are causing you some indigestion, the way to address that would be to become a US citizen, live in Texas, and vote for somebody else in another 5 years.

Good luck. I'm a citizen by birth, have lived in California for 15 years, and I'm still stuck with Boxer and Feinstein.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 8:40:12 PM   
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Anyone think he just up and did this without working a plan? Good. Keep thinking that.


Everyone realizes that Cruz is positioning himself for a Presidential run by making himself as visible as possible. That said, he's doing it at a cost of pissing off his own party. During the last election, the Dems were a coherent force while the GOP was pretty factionalized - I was surprised how Romney got virtually no support from the rest of the party. Cruz is pushing his own case at the expense of his party.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 8:45:34 PM   
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passion?? Ive seen more passion in a day old pile of vomit


Since he is Canadian, this does not surprise me :-P

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 8:52:57 PM   
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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/26/2013 9:23:52 PM   
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Everyone realizes that Cruz is positioning himself for a Presidential run



The last thing we need is another first-term Senator with a head full of idealism, and not a lot of practical leadership and executive experience.

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