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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 3:40:13 AM   
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In answer to the thread title, yes, Polite, Cruz is quite real, and he's a United States Senator. If those facts are causing you some indigestion, the way to address that would be to become a US citizen, live in Texas, and vote for somebody else in another 5 years.

Good luck. I'm a citizen by birth, have lived in California for 15 years, and I'm still stuck with Boxer and Feinstein.


Way to go missing the whole point of my post Rich.

Let me be clear in my question.... Whats your view in this arsehole comparing healthcare with the Nazis or the Bataan death march. Do you think that is reasonable for a man of his office ?

BTW, many thanks for proving my point about some here trying to stop people who are not from the US having a view on such an obnoxious statetment from Cruz. Especially from someone like yourself who holds such lofty ideaals about free speech for everyone. You do see the irony here dont you ? If not others surely will.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 4:18:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
In answer to the thread title, yes, Polite, Cruz is quite real, and he's a United States Senator. If those facts are causing you some indigestion, the way to address that would be to become a US citizen, live in Texas, and vote for somebody else in another 5 years.
Good luck. I'm a citizen by birth, have lived in California for 15 years, and I'm still stuck with Boxer and Feinstein.

Way to go missing the whole point of my post Rich.
Let me be clear in my question.... Whats your view in this arsehole comparing healthcare with the Nazis or the Bataan death march. Do you think that is reasonable for a man of his office ?
BTW, many thanks for proving my point about some here trying to stop people who are not from the US having a view on such an obnoxious statetment from Cruz. Especially from someone like yourself who holds such lofty ideaals about free speech for everyone. You do see the irony here dont you ? If not others surely will.


Reasonable tactic? Sadly, it seems like it is anymore. While there was no equivocation of healthcare to Nazi Germany, as it pertains to it being as horrible, the difficulties in the fight against Obamacare were likened to the difficulties in the fight against Nazi Germany.

You missed TheHeretics point that the only actual way to do anything about Ted Cruz is to vote him out of office, which would require the mentioned move and time passage. And, btw, the only way for me to do anything about Cruz would require the same things. That does not mean you can't have an opinion or that you can't give your opinion. It's just not going to have any effect (just like my opinion on Cruz, or TheHeretic's, or most of the other posters in P&R (jlf has mentioned living in Texas, but I'm not sure how many others here can actually vote against Cruz).


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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 5:14:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		DS, we will have to differ about the point of his post.

Cruz`s point about the fight against healthcare was obnoxious, whichever way one views it, thats why i objected to it.

I said earlier Cruz was just playing for time, I get that loud and clear.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 6:28:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
DS, we will have to differ about the point of his post.
Cruz`s point about the fight against healthcare was obnoxious, whichever way one views it, thats why i objected to it.
I said earlier Cruz was just playing for time, I get that loud and clear.


I don't agree with Cruz's use of the battle against Nazi Germany. It's almost getting to the point where it's over-played and the horror it caused is being lost.

Cruz was stalling, but I can't figure out why he did. I could see a few hours of stand off to show resistance to stripping Obamacare de-funding from the Senate's bill, but 21 hours? I suppose that shows him to be really, really serious, rather than just serious about de-funding Obamacare, but since it wasn't something that a filibuster could stop, was the point just to give 21 more hours for phone banks to call the other Senators? Hardly worth it, imo.


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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 6:32:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the man got up and ran his mouth for 21 hours straight, Polite. Some nonsense is going to come out. I don't happen to care much for Cruz, and I'm not surprised that his rhetoric went over the top along the way.

I also think the way to deal with free speech used badly is with more speech. You are free to express your opinion, and I'm free to express my opinion on your opinion. Nobody gets thrown in jail over it.

In my work, I have seen the impact on the lives of people who badly need help, as California has been changing the way of handling medical services to the needy to get ready for this monstrosity of poorly designed legislation. I've spoken with people who are dying, as the insurance companies make their changes to exploit the dumbass loopholes and unintended consequences in it. It's bad law.

Speaking at a personal level, when I left my old career to start this one, I took a leap of faith and considerable risk. The transition did involve a gap of some months in carrying medical insurance for myself, and a longer period of very difficult financial strain until I earned my first promotion in the new job. It could not have been any tighter. I actually exhausted my savings, 3 days before that first raise kicked in. Had the individual mandate and the associated tax penalties been in place at that time, I would have been trapped in my old job. How many millions of Americans are going to come to the place I did, and be denied the opportunity to better themselves because of this encroachment on individual liberty?

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 9:16:43 AM   
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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 9:18:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
DS, we will have to differ about the point of his post.
Cruz`s point about the fight against healthcare was obnoxious, whichever way one views it, thats why i objected to it.
I said earlier Cruz was just playing for time, I get that loud and clear.


I don't agree with Cruz's use of the battle against Nazi Germany. It's almost getting to the point where it's over-played and the horror it caused is being lost.

Cruz was stalling, but I can't figure out why he did. I could see a few hours of stand off to show resistance to stripping Obamacare de-funding from the Senate's bill, but 21 hours? I suppose that shows him to be really, really serious, rather than just serious about de-funding Obamacare, but since it wasn't something that a filibuster could stop, was the point just to give 21 more hours for phone banks to call the other Senators? Hardly worth it, imo.


There was no stalling. The Republican caucus yielded their limited time all to him. He could not have continued past, IIRC, 2PM as that was the end of the debate time allowed. All he did was aggrandize himself and raise money.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 11:03:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cruz did his job. The stage is set. We will allow Obamacare and the Dems to self destruct after we save the Government at the last second and then go on to win the Senate in mid-term elections by allowing Americans to taste more of Obamacare before they revolt against the man, the party and the plan. Already many have found they cannot keep their doctor, their insurance and their deductible is crazy and it gets worse very soon so soon after that we are heros again by repealing it with majorities in both houses. When you think of it, that is the only way it can go. Besides, there is no way for Obamacare to actually work as promised since it is not working as promised even now, and killing it now would only cost the Republicans, so instead they are going to be the heros.

Cruz is good. We are good. MSNBC and a few CNN hosts are self destructing and I see a deer in the headlight look with Pelosi, but we are good.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 11:12:03 AM   
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Cruz did his job.

If his job is to further lower already abysmal the approval ratings of Congress in general and the TEA party in particular, I'd say you're absolutely correct.

Cruz is grandstanding. He understands that half the country is of below average intelligence by definition and if he can pander to them, he just might become the next president.

The last freshman Senator who became president hasn't worked out too well has he?

Do we really want to make the same mistake again?

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 4:30:08 PM   
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I think the man got up and ran his mouth for 21 hours straight, Polite. Some nonsense is going to come out. I don't happen to care much for Cruz, and I'm not surprised that his rhetoric went over the top along the way.

I also think the way to deal with free speech used badly is with more speech. You are free to express your opinion, and I'm free to express my opinion on your opinion. Nobody gets thrown in jail over it.

In my work, I have seen the impact on the lives of people who badly need help, as California has been changing the way of handling medical services to the needy to get ready for this monstrosity of poorly designed legislation. I've spoken with people who are dying, as the insurance companies make their changes to exploit the dumbass loopholes and unintended consequences in it. It's bad law.

Speaking at a personal level, when I left my old career to start this one, I took a leap of faith and considerable risk. The transition did involve a gap of some months in carrying medical insurance for myself, and a longer period of very difficult financial strain until I earned my first promotion in the new job. It could not have been any tighter. I actually exhausted my savings, 3 days before that first raise kicked in. Had the individual mandate and the associated tax penalties been in place at that time, I would have been trapped in my old job. How many millions of Americans are going to come to the place I did, and be denied the opportunity to better themselves because of this encroachment on individual liberty?


I dont disagree with any of your points on Obamacare Rich and I said as much in the "Obamacare...Ask the capitalist" thread.... Single payer is the way forward in my opinion. Our own NHS system is coming under more strain as Cameron and his cronies try and introduce more free enterprise into the service. Thats another hotch potch idea thats neither one thing or another.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 8:56:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		If anyone watched the whole show, did Cruz at any point pass the time by reading aloud from his military service record?

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/27/2013 10:28:50 PM   
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If anyone watched the whole show, did Cruz at any point pass the time by reading aloud from his military service record?

He's not a veteran.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/28/2013 6:10:10 AM   
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I already knew the answer before I asked the question.


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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

If anyone watched the whole show, did Cruz at any point pass the time by reading aloud from his military service record?

He's not a veteran.


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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/29/2013 5:39:28 PM   
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Every time I've looked at a news site today, I've seen Ted Cruz. Why is a single freshman senator getting such attention?

ETA: Part of me wonders if this is the media equivalent of rewarding a kid for acting out.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/29/2013 6:41:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
DS, we will have to differ about the point of his post.
Cruz`s point about the fight against healthcare was obnoxious, whichever way one views it, thats why i objected to it.
I said earlier Cruz was just playing for time, I get that loud and clear.


I don't agree with Cruz's use of the battle against Nazi Germany. It's almost getting to the point where it's over-played and the horror it caused is being lost.

Cruz was stalling, but I can't figure out why he did. I could see a few hours of stand off to show resistance to stripping Obamacare de-funding from the Senate's bill, but 21 hours? I suppose that shows him to be really, really serious, rather than just serious about de-funding Obamacare, but since it wasn't something that a filibuster could stop, was the point just to give 21 more hours for phone banks to call the other Senators? Hardly worth it, imo.



Desi,

The previous *real* filibuster by rand paul bought face recognition. Thats all this was. Face recognition and an attempt to buy some media time for his point of view.

Pretty smart actually. Reading dr seuss humanized him. Hard for the media to demonize a dr seus reading man who was doing it for his wife and daughters.


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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/29/2013 6:51:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jon Stewart shares some of y'all's opinion:

'You're F*cking With Us, Right?' Jon Stewart Delivers Stinging Takedown of Ted Cruz Filibuster

After listening to part of Ted Cruz‘s 21-hour Nazi-invoking filibuster, Jon Stewart was convinced that whatever Cruz was speaking out against must be nothing less than the zombie apocalypse. So he was more than a little confused at how Cruz was going on about Obamacare, mocking Cruz’s constant tangents and his apparent lack of seriousness about really solving America’s health care crisis.

And, of course, the Dr. Seuss.

Cruz pledged to talk until he could stand no more. Stewart shot back, “Easy for you to take that kind of physical risk, you have government health care.”

Stewart went through all the bizarre pop culture references Cruz made, from Ashton Kutcher and Duck Dynasty to White Castle and Star Wars. But what really killed Stewart was Cruz’s somewhat ironic invocation of Green Eggs and Ham.

quote:

“So to express your opposition to Obamacare, you go to the book about a stubborn jerk who decides he hates something before he’s tried it, and when he finally gets a taste, he has to admit after he’s tasted it, ‘This is pretty fucking good.’”


Stewart then went after Cruz on the specifics of his health care objections, and ended the segment with an epic reading of a fake Dr. Seuss book called The Bore-ax, containing phrases like “showboatiest blab” and “hours of mouth masturbation.”

Watch the video below, via Comedy Central: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/youre-fcking-with-us-right-jon-stewart-delivers-stinging-takedown-of-ted-cruz-filibuster/

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/29/2013 7:09:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		considering his wife works for goldman sachs I dont think they have ANY problems with medical costs,
so far removed from the millions who need even basic healthcare,
They managed to put in a contraception "conscience" clause in the bill they passed, and along with cutting 6 million off SNAP, its all bullshit rhetoric. Care about the poor? HAH



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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/29/2013 7:14:34 PM   
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WASHINGTON -- Toward the end of Ted Cruz's more than 20-hour occupation of the Senate floor Tuesday and Wednesday, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) tried to pin the GOP senator down.

“Will the senator from Texas for the record tell us now -- and those who watched this debate -- whether he is protected and his family’s protected?” Durbin asked Wednesday morning, repeating a question he'd been trying to get Cruz to answer.

“I’m happy to tell you now I am eligible for it and I am not currently covered under it,” Cruz responded, diverting the conversation to an uninsured diabetic woman that Durbin had mentioned earlier.

..."Senator, you and I are blessed to have the best health insurance in America as members of the United States Senate," Durbin said.

Durbin doesn't get out enough. Members of Congress are afforded top-notch, well subsidized health plans, but they're nothing compared with those provided to the people who make the real decisions in the U.S.

Top Wall Street executives get some of the best health coverage on the planet. Cruz's wife, Heidi Nelson Cruz, is a regional head of a Goldman Sachs division.

According to a 2009 New York Times report, top executive officers and managing directors at the bank participate in a health care program that costs Goldman more than $40,000 in premiums for each particpant’s family annually.

A Cruz representative wasn't immediately available to comment.

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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/29/2013 7:19:18 PM   
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RE: Is Cruz for real ? - 9/30/2013 5:29:49 AM   
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Pretty smart actually. Reading dr seuss humanized him. Hard for the media to demonize a dr seus reading man who was doing it for his wife and daughters.



The truly funny thing about that is that the moral of the story Green Eggs and Ham is "Don't reject something out of hand until you've actually tried it"

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