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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 3:35:34 PM   
PeonForHer


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Status: offline 		I never drink any kind of whisky with ice or anything else. Horrible idea.

We get Jack Daniel's over here - I don't know if that's the same thing as your Gentleman Jack Tennessee Sour Mash? JD here is very expensive, but very good. I drink it neat. At Christmas, I'll have that, with biscuits and very strong cheese. Bliss.

I'm ashamed to admit that I read of a survey recently that put a couple of American whiskies above the best of the Scottish ones. Well, I have to say: I agreed. Some of those American whiskies *really* slip down the throat.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 3:46:26 PM   
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We get Jack Daniel's over here - I don't know if that's the same thing as your Gentleman Jack Tennessee Sour Mash? JD here is very expensive, but very good. I drink it neat. At Christmas, I'll have that, with biscuits and very strong cheese. Bliss.

I'm ashamed to admit that I read of a survey recently that put a couple of American whiskies above the best of the Scottish ones. Well, I have to say: I agreed. Some of those American whiskies *really* slip down the throat.

Gentleman Jack is made by Jack Daniels. But if you're drinking Old No.7, you need to try stepping up a notch (pictures at the links). How expensive it is over there? Where I am, a 750ml of Gentleman Jack goes for $26. Old No.7 is less. Just offhand I couldn't quote a 750ml price, but it's $32 for a 1.75.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 4:24:04 PM   
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Comparing your rights to ours is ludicrous.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

It's almost fair to say you don't have any.

No it isnt, it is all about choice. I thought you were bright enough to get this, obviously not.

Your link doesnt seem to work.

You often seem to think the other guy is stupid when you're wrong about something. Take the link, for example.

Then go try to get a carry license. See how much choice you've got.

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Your link wont open for me.

On the choice thing you are being obtuse, here in the UK, collectively, we choose not to have guns unless we meet certain criteria.

Next you will be bleating about synonyms again.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 4:38:54 PM   
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On the choice thing you are being obtuse, here in the UK, collectively, we choose not to have guns unless we meet certain criteria.




The bolded is that criteria we are discussing. You have not the freedom to choose as we do. Can you have an AR/15 semi-auto rifle in your home? How about a 13 round Browning Hi-Power 9mm? A .44 magnum? Can you carry openly? How about CC? Is your menu of choices less than ours?

Yes!

That you can choose, even from a strictly governed limited menu or choosing not to own at all, is not the subject. Who has greater freedom as to choices? Choosing not to own a firearm is but one choice of many. The others include being of the variety of firearm to even choose from.

I'd also ask, just what is the nature of your collective choice? Just how strong is it?

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 4:48:58 PM   
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Can you own a fully armed tank ? A jet fighter ? No............Omg those shits are just denying your right to own whatever you fell like. <<See how silly this line of argument is.


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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 5:16:07 PM   
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On the choice thing you are being obtuse, here in the UK, collectively, we choose not to have guns unless we meet certain criteria.

Don't bullshit me (or yourself) with that y'all chose crap. You didn't all choose. Some of you did. And there were more of you than the guys who didn't want to give up whatever meager rights they had left. But you were "bigger" than they were, there were more of you, so there was nothing they could do about it. Fuck'em if they can't take a joke. And that, you will tell us, is democracy.

But you see, we have a Constitution that denies to the majority the power to take away a long list of our rights as a people. You can't fuck with our rights, even if you outnumber us. Because it doesn't matter if you have the votes. If you pass a law that's unconstitutional, it's dead on arrival. Thank you very much, have a nice day. So when you tell yourself (and us) that you "chose," remember that you didn't all choose. Some of you chose, and the rest had no choice but to eat shit and like it.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 5:18:48 PM   
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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 5:22:22 PM   
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there were more of you than the guys who didn't want to give up whatever meager rights they had left. But you were "bigger" than they were, there were more of you, so there was nothing they could do about it.


Democracy! Ain't it wonderful?


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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 5:27:49 PM   
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Just fucking laughable and not altogether unexpected. Its getting the contempt it deserves.

Yep, just like the rest of your countrymen got who disagreed with you.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 5:30:45 PM   
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Just fucking laughable and not altogether unexpected. Its getting the contempt it deserves.



I regret our ever coming to your aid with our own personal firearms back when that paper hanger was threatening you. Oh, how you have forgotten.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 6:15:24 PM   
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And Florida had a 33% drop in crime when they instituted concealed carry.


You have been called on that particular piece of bullshit before...would you like it stuffed up your ass again? You do our cause no service when you use bullshit to bolster our position.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 6:18:03 PM   
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Just fucking laughable and not altogether unexpected. Its getting the contempt it deserves.



I regret our ever coming to your aid with our own personal firearms back when that paper hanger was threatening you. Oh, how you have forgotten.



History indicates that the u.s. contrbution to that enterprise was rather meager.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 8:47:39 PM   
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I'm sure as he was being hacked to death he was thinking, Thank god I'm safe from the evils of gun violence.


I wondered when someone would be crass enough to mention an extremist attack, I sure as hell knew someone would though.

But for the record, there are less murders, per capita in the UK, thats even without guns.



So extremists who attack schools, or go on other mass shootings here in the US are fair game, but how dare anyone mention one that happens in the UK?

And if you're going to say that a man who goes into a school to shoot up children isn't an "extremist", then I don't know who is.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 8:55:46 PM   
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you did not read my post as well: " In the Degrading Scientific Standards it is Kleck attach against McDowell. Kleck has never appeared before a Science review board and the Academy of Science has declared his work not proven which is good enough me." Post 342. Ah the sun is out.

We cannot avoid the truth, even when it is not what we want to hear or express.

You're just making shit up.

The National Research Council of the National Academies, in Firearms and Violence - A Critical Review, published by the National Academies Press, found McDowell lacking. His sample was not representative, and his methods excluded other possibilities (a sign of bias).

The McDowall et al. (2000) crossover experiment is informative and is exactly the type of methodological research that will begin to explain the sharp divergence in gun use estimates and how best to measure defensive gun use. There remains, however, much work to be done. The sample used in this survey is not representative, and the methods shed light on only one of the many competing hypotheses. ~p105-106

Instead, they suggested an approach developed by Kleck...

Although defining and measuring different types of gun use (both offensive and defensive) is not a simple matter, a typology similar to the one developed by Kleck may be a useful starting point ~p107

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 8:57:33 PM   
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And if you're going to say that a man who goes into a school to shoot up children isn't an "extremist", then I don't know who is.

Want a hint?

K.


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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 9:02:20 PM   
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And if you're going to say that a man who goes into a school to shoot up children isn't an "extremist", then I don't know who is.

Want a hint?

K.




Just because someone isn't a religious extremist, doesn't mean they're not an extremist. You can say that someone who decides to shoot up a school is crazy, and they probably are. Then again the same might be said of someone who runs a soldier down, chops off his head, then stands there waiting for the police to respond. Both crazy, both extremists in their own fashion.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 9:09:27 PM   
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Unh... I wasn't referring to you.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 9:13:50 PM   
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Unh... I wasn't referring to you.

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Probably should have realized that. I was just a bit hot under the collar at hearing that our tragedies are ok to use as forum fodder, but not tragedies from the UK. I jumped on your post a bit too quickly.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 9:18:33 PM   
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I'm sure as he was being hacked to death he was thinking, Thank god I'm safe from the evils of gun violence.


I wondered when someone would be crass enough to mention an extremist attack, I sure as hell knew someone would though.

But for the record, there are less murders, per capita in the UK, thats even without guns.


Yes we have more murders per capita without guns than you do all together, do you see the problem with gun control being the answer.


Your post makes no sense. Gun controls work, since we have very few mass killings with guns. You can count the number of mass shootings in the last 100 years on one hand. So tell me again how gun control doesnt work.



Have you ever heard of Oklahoma City, Americans don't need guns to commit evil acts.

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RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to ... - 10/10/2013 9:20:42 PM   
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And Florida had a 33% drop in crime when they instituted concealed carry.



And is that number holding today, and is Fla less percapita violence than England?

It didn't move back up if that is what you are asking.

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