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BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/17/2013 9:36:42 PM)

He has been enjoying the "syg" thread were for the last week I've been the only non-European there so he has seemed quit reasonable (within context) but I have given up on trying to reason with them.




Phydeaux -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/17/2013 10:29:40 PM)


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There's at least one person on this thread whose written English is somewhat less than polished. But the brain of that person is quite the opposite.

Indeed. Unless you're thinking about a different person, I even have a picture of it.

[image]http://www.jumpingbrain.org/shop/img/bronze1A.jpg[/image]

K.





Omg...where did you get a copy of my baby picture[:(]


That is an intellect devourer.




BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/17/2013 10:44:20 PM)

LOL




joether -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/18/2013 2:13:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

There's at least one person on this thread whose written English is somewhat less than polished. But the brain of that person is quite the opposite.

Indeed. Unless you're thinking about a different person, I even have a picture of it.

[image]http://www.jumpingbrain.org/shop/img/bronze1A.jpg[/image]

K.



Omg...where did you get a copy of my baby picture[:(]

That is an intellect devourer.


Its not an intellect devourer by D&D standards. The feet are all wrong. It could be a reptilian version of the same monster.

[image]http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/xph_gallery/33557.jpg[/image]




BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 6:40:11 PM)

Another gun thread got closed they said come here.




TheHeretic -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 6:52:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Another gun thread got closed they said come here.



Dammit. And I was going to point out the release of the rapist story went national tonight, on Anderson Cooper's CNN show.




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 7:06:11 PM)

there seems to be a fair amount of threads that can be closed when some people with no understating of the State-by-State" nature of the USA comment fiercely, forgetting that the ability to change laws that apply country-wide to a place like Norway (and it's LACK OF SIZE, and near-uniformity of culture) has jack-shit to do with a country the size of the USA, and the cultural diversity between the states of the USA (Texas and its culture, and gun-culture, being as different to Maine as Belarus is to Iceland).

People from countries that are less than 10% of the size of the USA often don't grok how hard it is to change laws on a federal level in the USA, versus making such changes in a country that CA or Texas could swallow.

TWICE.

with room to spare.

And even looking at Texas, let's not pretend that Austin is viewed by people in Houston as being "as purely representative of Texan Culture" as Houston, or Dallas.

yes, sure, there are about a dozen easily distinguished autonomous cultures in places like the UK, but that's seriously nothing compared to the USA, and many Euro Coin Countries have less disparity than the UK/England. Changing/adjusting laws, in the name of limiting violence, is easier in smaller, homogenized societies.




lovmuffin -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 7:19:34 PM)

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FR

This wriggling cracks me up.

OK, here we go again:


I haven't seen anybody comment on how spectacularly low in rape rates the USA is as a result of the prevalence of gun ownership - as opposed to more primitive and less enlightened and civilised countries in, say, Europe, where gun ownership is much lower. Why is this?

I'm sure American gun fans here will be only too eager to show how gun-ownership in their excellent society has led to a relatively minute rate of rapes as compared to other First World countries. Why have they been too modest to demonstrate this fact so far?


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This comment is less than fair, because the USA is more like Europe with a collection of smallish countries conjoined. In the USA, those country-lets are 'states'. They have separate laws for everything.

When you look at a country such as Holland, you can practically fit it INSIDE Texas. regulating what makes someone WANT a gin, and helping them develop into a person whom would never want to USE a gun, is EASY in a place that is less than 15% of the size of the continental USA. And in such a European nation, for the most part, the cultures and laws will be the same. Swedish Laws are Swedish Laws, and different to laws elsewhere. So you can take a place like Holland and in 20 years you can make a noteworthy, PRAGMATIC change. Asking the USA to do that nationwide is as unreasonable and half-assed, half-cocked an idea as expecting Belarus (still ruled by a despot) and the Oligarchies of Russia to suddenly become equally civilized and less assault-inclined because Holland decided to be so, to be more noble.

less assault does not come by dint of more gun control, it comes by dint of the fact that you can take a country like Holland or Finland or Iceland, and due to their TINY size, and the fact that their cultures are relatively uniform, you can effect an overall society which is more pro-empathy and intellect, and less 'rah rah, go team Meathead'.

before guns existed, the root of most violence is Meatheads. Take away the guns, you will still have violence, mostly always initiated by MEATHEADS.

If you provide an incentive to a populace to think more, bash less, read more, "Johnny Knoxville less", you will reduce the violence. The gun ownership and sexual assaults are symptoms of the Elephant In The Room Disease, and that disease has a name: MEATHEADS.


That post by NBA was too good to leave on the tail end of the other thread, so I reposted it here. It's a perspective I hadn't thought of.

I was just going tell Peon that our high rate of gun ownership has nothing to do with our rape percentage. A rapist will seek out easy targets.







BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 7:36:41 PM)

Your right that was a great post.




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 7:47:22 PM)

/emoticon-thank-icon




BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 8:27:14 PM)


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Another gun thread got closed they said come here.



Dammit. And I was going to point out the release of the rapist story went national tonight, on Anderson Cooper's CNN show.

And now you have, thanks.




tj444 -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:05:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed

less assault does not come by dint of more gun control, it comes by dint of the fact that you can take a country like Holland or Finland or Iceland, and due to their TINY size, and the fact that their cultures are relatively uniform, you can effect an overall society which is more pro-empathy and intellect, and less 'rah rah, go team Meathead'.

before guns existed, the root of most violence is Meatheads. Take away the guns, you will still have violence, mostly always initiated by MEATHEADS.

If you provide an incentive to a populace to think more, bash less, read more, "Johnny Knoxville less", you will reduce the violence. The gun ownership and sexual assaults are symptoms of the Elephant In The Room Disease, and that disease has a name: MEATHEADS.



even tho the US is huge and made up of 50 states.. its a lot harder to change the gun culture & society than it is to regulate gun ownership.. the biggest problem (imo) with gun control it the sheer numbers of guns out there..

How long did it take for society in the US to change the smoking culture? before smoking used to be considered "cool", now if you smoke you have to leave and no one cares if its pouring rain outside or 5 feet of snow, if you want to smoke leave.. but that would not have been accomplished if laws had also not been instituted and yes, it took a while for each city to bring them into their bylaws.. Same thing with drinking and driving..

Societal change it seems needs laws to changed as well..

As far as the MEATHEADS go (like the incompetent "Zimmy's" out there), MEATHEADS don't seem to know they are MEATHEADS!




BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:14:59 PM)

its a lot harder to change the gun culture & society than it is to regulate gun ownership.. the biggest problem

Trust the government the government is your friend the government only wants to take care of you like your big brother.




tj444 -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:28:23 PM)


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Trust the government the government is your friend the government only wants to take care of you like your big brother.

the US govt (both sides) is corrupt & nuts so I will never see them as my friend.. but its the MEATHEADS that need their big brother govt




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:29:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed

less assault does not come by dint of more gun control, it comes by dint of the fact that you can take a country like Holland or Finland or Iceland, and due to their TINY size, and the fact that their cultures are relatively uniform, you can effect an overall society which is more pro-empathy and intellect, and less 'rah rah, go team Meathead'.

before guns existed, the root of most violence is Meatheads. Take away the guns, you will still have violence, mostly always initiated by MEATHEADS.

If you provide an incentive to a populace to think more, bash less, read more, "Johnny Knoxville less", you will reduce the violence. The gun ownership and sexual assaults are symptoms of the Elephant In The Room Disease, and that disease has a name: MEATHEADS.



even tho the US is huge and made up of 50 states.. its a lot harder to change the gun culture & society than it is to regulate gun ownership.. the biggest problem (imo) with gun control it the sheer numbers of guns out there..

48 states, continentally. The Hawaii Island state and its culture is not much impinged by the other 48. And again, if you remove the desire to shoot a gun, you alter gun behaviour, and gun behaviour is the problem.


How long did it take for society in the US to change the smoking culture? before smoking used to be considered "cool", now if you smoke you have to leave and no one cares if its pouring rain outside or 5 feet of snow, if you want to smoke leave.. but that would not have been accomplished if laws had also not been instituted and yes, it took a while for each city to bring them into their bylaws.. Same thing with drinking and driving..

Societal change it seems needs laws to changed as well..

Yes, but those laws are governed and put forward and made or changed based on what a handful of the population (the Congress and Senate, Representatives and Congressmen) choose to put forward based on what they feel they can manipulate for their own gain, based on what they feel will cajole or affront the 'voting public'. If you make the public less violent, less meathead, more empathetic, the Parliamentarians will make radical changes to policies and local/state/federal laws.

As far as the MEATHEADS go (like the incompetent "Zimmy's" out there), MEATHEADS don't seem to know they are MEATHEADS!

Sadly I wish you were correct, but you are not. Call anyone who bothers to know the difference between Porsche and Portia a meathead, you get, at most, an irritated reply. Ask the same question of a meathead, watch them fail, call THEM a meathead, and you will be the victim of physical violence in short order. The only person who will become violent at being called a meathead, is a meathead.





NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:32:42 PM)

also, my delightful Manboob Ratnose, you must understand that in the USA, once the guns are imported legally OR illegally, they are there. on the street, sometimes sold at schoolyard parking lots.

even if uncared for, those guns are lethal for ten years or so. In anyone's hands. wasting time on the gun laws which CANNOT REMOVE THE GUNS CURRENTLY OUT THERE will not save lives.

Changing the culture that affects the insticts of people who might own the guns, WILL.




tj444 -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:45:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed

also, my delightful Manboob Ratnose, you must understand that in the USA, once the guns are imported legally OR illegally, they are there. on the street, sometimes sold at schoolyard parking lots.

even if uncared for, those guns are lethal for ten years or so. In anyone's hands. wasting time on the gun laws which CANNOT REMOVE THE GUNS CURRENTLY OUT THERE will not save lives.

Changing the culture that affects the insticts of people who might own the guns, WILL.

of course, I already said the sheer numbers of guns out there is a problem for gun control... but if the govt offers cash for guns (& then they are destroyed), that would reduce the numbers & save some lives.. and making people that didn't turn their gun in pay for the true cost of any damage that was caused by their gun.. (injury, death, cost of crime using the gun, hospital costs, loss of income, etc).. in some places now if people ski out of bounds & need to be rescued, they can be sent a bill for the cost of their rescue.. perhaps gun owners need to pay in that same way also, should their gun cause harm..




BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:47:40 PM)

Yes establish standards, quit glorifying the abuse of women and renew the value of human life.
Far more difficult that passing a gun law, but far more useful.




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:54:02 PM)

storm's here, brown outs, will have to come back to this thread laters, but great replies and banter, guys!




BamaD -> RE: ***Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment *** (10/28/2013 10:54:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed

also, my delightful Manboob Ratnose, you must understand that in the USA, once the guns are imported legally OR illegally, they are there. on the street, sometimes sold at schoolyard parking lots.

even if uncared for, those guns are lethal for ten years or so. In anyone's hands. wasting time on the gun laws which CANNOT REMOVE THE GUNS CURRENTLY OUT THERE will not save lives.

Changing the culture that affects the insticts of people who might own the guns, WILL.

of course, I already said the sheer numbers of guns out there is a problem for gun control... but if the govt offers cash for guns (& then they are destroyed), that would reduce the numbers & save some lives.. and making people that didn't turn their gun in pay for the true cost of any damage that was caused by their gun.. (injury, death, cost of crime using the gun, hospital costs, loss of income, etc).. in some places now if people ski out of bounds & need to be rescued, they can be sent a bill for the cost of their rescue.. perhaps gun owners need to pay in that same way also, should their gun cause harm..

They can be sued now if they misuse their gun.
Or do you mean fining someone because their gun is stolen and used improperly.




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