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NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 6:35:03 PM)
The same amount that read POETRY, and enjoy it, durwahd. Instead of people who never read anything that includes more than info on guns, camping and boxing. Including people who have been on the National Dean's List for English Literature, Shakespearean Studies AND Creative Writing, doof. And if ya'll knew 10% of the history of language as your duhrwad post above implies you do, you'd know that capitalization, its use, its reason for use, changes from century to century. But since it is unlikely you have read anything from over 100 years ago aside from how to make, load and fire a flint-lock weapon, you would be unlikely to know that.

truckinslave -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 6:45:22 PM)
No, no dearie, at he very least I have also had the inestimable pleasure of reading you. (Although, let's face it: Field and Stream you ain't). So. Why exactly did you capitalize that shit? (You can always blame it on drugs I suppose. Or perhaps you were having a little schizoid break to... the mid-19th century?)

NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 6:53:52 PM)
so since you admit, without having the balls to admit, you DON'T read anything of literary merit, you basically out yourself which is fine. And people who are PAID to write, versus yourself who PAY ISP's to let you post here, often write in manners that harken back to the days of the Founding Fathers of the USA itself. Who also on occasion capitalized things which we no longer capitalize. Words like "Freedom", dingus. As for why I do so, the answer is simple, and you - yourself - helped illustrate it: I am not a MEATHEAD. But pro violence, anti-intellectualists ARE meat-heads. And they always leap to a fumble-fingered attack (and fumble the ball) the moment anyone questions the meat-head's value - or lack thereof - to the world at large. Don't take a bite of a cheesburger, truckinmuffin, because you'll in a way be a cannibal. Meatheads eating meat, and all.

truckinslave -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 7:01:13 PM)
quote: so since you admit, without having the balls to admit, you DON'T read anything of literary merit, you basically out yourself which is fine. If someone is paying you to write, dearie, they clearly have too much money. I don't eat cheeseburgers for fear they will go to my hips. You must be very brave.

NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 8:53:20 PM)
WAY to argue the points raised, trucktruffle! /applauds and once again, here goes truckinmuffin, proving my point. So, TruckinSuckin, do you think Ben Franklin or John Adams would have had ANYTHING to do with you at all, when they stood against the British? Do you think, if they had a gun to give somebody, they'd give that gun to you, or someone like any of the other USA guys you've been arguing against, here? Do you think that if Abraham Lincoln had been warned of an upcoming assassination attempt on his life, but decided to go the threatre anyway, but before going he took the time to look at this thread, he'd feel safer sitting in a theatre next to YOU, or myself?

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 10:51:13 PM)
All of them

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 10:54:03 PM)
I am not a MEATHEAD. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not even close, you are a breath of fresh air here.

NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 10:55:11 PM)
you mean all of the guys who signed their names to tell the Parliament (rorting George the 3rd) to fuck off would give TruckinMuckin a gun?

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:06:22 PM)
you mean all of the guys who signed their names to tell the Parliament (rorting George the 3rd) to fuck off would give TruckinMuckin a gun? ______________________________________________________________________________ No I mean that all of those names were meaningful to me starting with Mark Twain in whose hometown I grew up. 1001 Arabian Knights

tj444 -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:08:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD A One Constitutional infringement not only does not justify another, it make the next fight more important. B Then don't A that (Patriot Act) is one hell of an infringement.. its huge and covers lots of aspects, but cuz its purpose is to save Americans lives its readily accepted.. a law making gun owners considerably more responsible for their guns would also save Americans lives.. And there are laws on the fringes in existence now.. today on the news, a kid takes a gun to school.. now the cops/prosecutor are deciding if they are gonna charge the parents.. obviously the parents didn't know the kid was gonna steal their gun and take it to school.. but they are "victims" cuz their kid stole their gun but they are obviously at the same time also responsible (or there would not be the possibility of charges against them).. That is one present day example of the "victim" being charged for something someone else did without their consent or knowledge.. Another similar example- your sister, BIL, or cousin asks to borrow your camper for a week long trip to Beautiful BC (Canada).. you agree.. what your sister, BIL or cousin didn't tell you was that on the way back they were gonna pick up a couple of pounds of dynamite BC Bud and try to sneak it across the border and sell it for big bucks.. what happens is they are pulled over and the border guards find the pot.. you lose your nice camper that you spent 2 years saving for.. your crazy sister, BOL or cousin lied to you about what they were doing! You are a "victim"!! but you certainly pay cuz the US govt seize your camper and sell it off and there is squat you can do about it, you (the "victim") pay!!! So its really not much of a stretch to what my (seemingly far out) opinion on what the law should be.. but I certainly wont hold my breath on those kinda changes, due to political gridlock and the nra gun lobby.. B don't worry I wont..

NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:12:06 PM)
reply to Bama D LOL, I EMBRACE that! I MAN HUG that! reading about other people not only gives one increased perspective in regards to the responsibility of a firearm, it invites people to try to understand the GUN itself. and thus, the potential harm wrought by the gun and projectile themselves. And understand and embrace the idea of "I cannot tak the ownership of these things lightly", and wonder, like so many WW2 Veterans, like my grandfather, if the guys they face are thinking and pondering the same things. great post, Bama D

tj444 -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:32:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I thought this was worth reposting as it was toward the end of the other thread, and it's on every post in the signature line from tj444. While they are worth a watch they only prove the need for training and practice. I thought the vids were interesting.. the most interesting aspect to me was how the shock and stress of being attacked affected the different unknowing participants that thought the attack was real.. I think how they would react in a real event is something few gun owners have even thought about.. You hear about friendly fire (by military, by cops) and these vids explain/show how that can so easily happen when everyone is freaking out when they are in a real situation.. If I recall correctly,.. the ones shooting back didn't do enough to protect themselves, the girl just stood there, straight up, the one guy sorta squatted down but not enough, and another dude just sat there frozen, he never even got his gun out.. one innocent student almost got hit (by the girl firing back), and the guy shooting back didn't even know what the second shooter was doing (if he was a bad guy or a good guy).. and yes, the one guy said you would have to practice frequently, cuz even going a month without that and you are screwed in a real event.. so the question is, in actuality how many gun owners get anything but a little training and then think that's all they need? I suspect very few practice at the level needed.. I think a real shooter (given how many people have been killed by one in real events) would be acting pretty much like the shooters in the vids.. I don't think the shooters are under the same kind of stress or the same amount of stress as those being shot at.. I expect most shooters have already considered that they will eventually be killed when the cops arrive and so their goal is just to kill as many as possible before that happens..

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:32:56 PM)
Thank you

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:36:48 PM)
think a real shooter (given how many people have been killed by one in real events) would be acting pretty much like the shooters in the vids.. I don't think the shooters are under the same kind of stress or the same amount of stress as those being shot at.. I expect most shooters have already considered that they will eventually be killed when the cops arrive and so their goal is just to kill as many as possible before that happens.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having been in that position and knowing several people who have I have to disagree. You have leftist theory I have experience. www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm

NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:37:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I thought this was worth reposting as it was toward the end of the other thread, and it's on every post in the signature line from tj444. While they are worth a watch they only prove the need for training and practice. I thought the vids were interesting.. the most interesting aspect to me was how the shock and stress of being attacked affected the different unknowing participants that thought the attack was real.. I think how they would react in a real event is something few gun owners have even thought about.. You hear about friendly fire (by military, by cops) and these vids explain/show how that can so easily happen when everyone is freaking out when they are in a real situation.. If I recall correctly,.. the ones shooting back didn't do enough to protect themselves, the girl just stood there, straight up, the one guy sorta squatted down but not enough, and another dude just sat there frozen, he never even got his gun out.. one innocent student almost got hit (by the girl firing back), and the guy shooting back didn't even know what the second shooter was doing (if he was a bad guy or a good guy).. and yes, the one guy said you would have to practice frequently, cuz even going a month without that and you are screwed in a real event.. so the question is, in actuality how many gun owners get anything but a little training and then think that's all they need? I suspect very few practice at the level needed.. I think a real shooter (given how many people have been killed by one in real events) would be acting pretty much like the shooters in the vids.. I don't think the shooters are under the same kind of stress or the same amount of stress as those being shot at.. I expect most shooters have already considered that they will eventually be killed when the cops arrive and so their goal is just to kill as many as possible before that happens.. well, that whole post was gold. the only ting I'd add to it is that if you want to affect 'gun behaviour' in any way, you SHOW someone what a real gun wound IS. you SHOW the fucking damage to tissue, to bone, to nerves, then you show a 'before' pic of someone before they were shot, a pic of 'right after they were shot', then a shot of what they look like just after the surgeries are done, then a pic of them several months after release from hospital, THEN you hammer (like the hammer in a colt 45?) home by showing a shot of the person PRE GUNSHOT WOUND again. and ideas, and understanding, and behaviours, will change for the better.

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:40:25 PM)
THEN you hammer (like the hammer in a colt 45?) home by showing a shot of the person PRE GUNSHOT WOUND again. and ideas, and understanding, and behaviours, will change for the better. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One would hope but of course meatheads as you call them will think that is only going to happen to their victims.

NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/29/2013 11:54:07 PM)
and that is unfortunately one more number in the equation of empathy. again, good point, BamaD

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/30/2013 12:01:00 AM)
Another similar example- your sister, BIL, or cousin asks to borrow your camper for a week long trip to Beautiful BC (Canada).. you agree.. what your sister, BIL or cousin didn't tell you was that on the way back they were gonna pick up a couple of pounds of dynamite BC Bud and try to sneak it across the border and sell it for big bucks.. what happens is they are pulled over and the border guards find the pot.. you lose your nice camper that you spent 2 years saving for.. your crazy sister, BOL or cousin lied to you about what they were doing! You are a "victim"!! but you certainly pay cuz the US govt seize your camper and sell it off and there is squat you can do about it, you (the "victim") pay!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And now you are using a possible miscarriage of justice to justify a systematic one

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/30/2013 12:05:47 AM)
What you call meatheads I call feral humans. All of the compassion and values of an animal. Until they are removed from society (and I don't mean killed or even incarcerated) things like gun control will have little effect. We need a revival of values and personal responsibility or none of the other efforts will put a serious dent in the problem.

tj444 -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/30/2013 12:10:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And now you are using a possible miscarriage of justice to justify a systematic one they are your laws.. forfeiture laws in the US have been around for a long time..

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