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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 2:53:04 AM   
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Careful y'all: This story is all over facebook -- Lady went on gov website sign up for one of the exchanges, put in her social security # -- she's diabetic, in a decent salary bracket. Got a premium quote of just over $500 per/mo w/a deductible of just over $13,000. When she tried to cancel she was told her fine of over $4,000 would be automatically taken from her bank account. They were nice enough to ask if she wanted them to take the money weekly, monthly or quarterly. Apparently, once you key in your social, you're on the hook for the premium & deductible...or a fine.


Bullshit.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 3:06:54 AM   
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Why Conservatives Are Saying Obamacare Could Take Your House
—By Erika Eichelberger| Thu Oct. 3, 2013 9:29 AM PDT
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The health insurance exchanges created by the Affordable Care Act opened for business on Tuesday, allowing uninsured Americans to buy subsidized coverage. By Wednesday, conservative websites had a fresh conspiracy theory running: if you decline to purchase health insurance, the feds may put a lien on your home.

InfoWars cites this Facebook post as proof:

I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 'Silver Plan' and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I 'opt-out' and chose to continue along with no insurance.

I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the 'REPERCUSSIONS PORTION' for 'non-payment' of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with 'Non-Payment' and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy 'Automatically withdraw' your 'penalties' weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is 'Free' or even 'Affordable.'



The Affordable Care Act itself states that the IRS cannot file a lien on a property because an uninsured person fails to pay a penalty. Nor can it seize bank accounts or garnish paychecks to recover Obamacare fines. Nor will Americans who refuse to pay for mandatory health insurance be subject to criminal prosecution of any kind.

Infowars acknowledges all this, but concludes that the Facebook poster, Will Sheehan, still might be right: "Either Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the revolt against Obamacare is about to take 'don't tread on me' to a whole new level."

As Obamacare moves from legislation to reality, many of the old conspiracy theories making the chain email rounds will be laid to rest. It seems there will be no shortage of new tin foil hat tales to take their place.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/10/obamacare-conspiracy-theory-lien-house-debunked



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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 4:01:51 AM   
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I was sure I posted on topic to this thread straight after the OP....... Who shot the messenger ?


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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 8:48:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is something about this shut down and Obamacare that I really think needs to be considered. The GOP nominated Mitt Romney for President of the United States in the 2012 election. Romney as Governor of Massachusetts signed in to law his own version of the Affordable Health Act, which is very much like the Federal one. Yet no one from the GOP or the Tea Party raised that issue during the election. I would if the GOP would shut down the government if Romney was elected and enacted the Affordable Health Act?

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 12:26:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not a apples to apples comparison. Romney's plan and end goal was for Healthcare. (How many pages was Romney's bill?)

Obama's plan is for CONTROL thru healthcare. (How many pages was Obama's bill?) Libs have a fantasy that only they are "smart" enough to run things. Tell us how much and what to eat, ect, ect, ect. etc.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 12:27:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that of course is pure speculatory and ignorant asswipe that is pure teabaggerisms. Right out of Joseph Goebbels book.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 12:34:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: papassion

Not a apples to apples comparison. Romney's plan and end goal was for Healthcare. (How many pages was Romney's bill?)



145.

So, for 50 states, the district of columbia, and three territories, that would be:

54 * 145 = 7830 pages. How big is it? Jesus, looks like even old captain magic teabagger underpants fucked that up along with his myrmidons.


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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 12:53:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: papassion

Not a apples to apples comparison. Romney's plan and end goal was for Healthcare. (How many pages was Romney's bill?)

Obama's plan is for CONTROL thru healthcare. (How many pages was Obama's bill?) Libs have a fantasy that only they are "smart" enough to run things. Tell us how much and what to eat, ect, ect, ect. etc.


I have a lot of Family in Mass. You are just ranting

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 1:01:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Republicans have a major problem here. The longer the hardliners keep these tactics up, the more likely the more moderate republican voters will dump the party.

Any major party in the UK, taking a similar stance would be dumped at the next election, which i seem to recall was the case the last time the Republicans tried similar tactics. Voters are quick to remember and slow to forget. the Conservatives started infighting and lurching further right back in 1997 and Blair led Labour to a landslide victory. Cameron and his ilk have not learnt the lessons of history and have are heading the same way as the Conservatives did in 1997..

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 1:36:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		We are laughing up our sleeves. They think they are doing the watusi, when they are actually dangling from the gibbet. Hard cheese for a Tory such as yourself to hear the deathrattle of your brothers in arms, I know, but an old lurcher such as yourself will weather the winter of our discontent.

This is great sport here, Mitch McConnell (senate minority leader) and Rand Paul (another idiot teabagger who, though innumerate is the financial whiz of the teabaggers) . . .:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/10/03/ac-mitch-mcconnell-and-rand-paul-open-mic-poll-cnn.cnn&hpt=hp_t1&from_homepage=yes

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 2:15:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Careful y'all: This story is all over facebook --

Like THAT'S a fucking reputable source.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 2:17:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, uninterestingly enough, it wasn't a reliable source. And bill gates is not sending any money either.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 2:45:06 PM   
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Turns out there's an easy answer.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/tea-party-leaders-announce-support-for-deal-in-exc,34101/

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 2:52:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's all? No remove the tax? No delays? Cmon theres gotta be something else, the senate will go for that and override any Obama veto.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 4:19:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: papassion
Not a apples to apples comparison. Romney's plan and end goal was for Healthcare. (How many pages was Romney's bill?)


Actually it was to keep people from falling through the cracks, racking up huge medical bills they had no chance of paying off. Going into bankruptcy, and THEN, being at the mercy of the health care industry. It was also designed to keep the emergency room for....get this....emergencies. It was observed that people were using the ER for things that could have been solved in a doctor's office. The problem is that it cost to much to obtain that coverage for an individual level. Small business owners and their employees did not have the political or financial resources to get insurance at an affordable level. It was also design to make health coverage affordable so that people would not go into heavy amounts of debt and become a drain on the financial system as a whole. It is structured rather than a 'one size fits all' mechanic. Different levels according to a persona's situation.

It doesn't work 100% of the time. But then that's were we citizens observer, study, and try to make modifications to correct imbalances and problems.

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ORIGINAL: papassion
Obama's plan is for CONTROL thru healthcare. (How many pages was Obama's bill?) Libs have a fantasy that only they are "smart" enough to run things. Tell us how much and what to eat, ect, ect, ect. etc.


The Affordable Care Act is not about control. Its about setting up healthcare to NOT ruin someone financially. Under the old 'plan', if costs went up to high you were S.O.L. What we know about the human body and condition is that when the human body suffers, the idea of being free, suffers with it. Since if you don't have your health what do you really have?

The ACA is easily found on the web (hint: the white house has the document). Go give it a read some time. The primary reason the ACA (and the Mass bill its based on) are so....lengthy.....is due to the world being complicated and complex. To handle the numerous issues, situations, problems. and questions that could come up later on.

BTW...

The amount of pages of a law has no bearing on the quality of the law.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 4:22:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the link Ron, I just saw that on Crossfire (S E Cupp vould get my vote, Republican or not) CNN had another disturbing clip of a Republican, (I think he was a Senator?) berating a Park Ranger for doing her job.

The shit now claims he needs to "Clariify"

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 5:40:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Thanks for the link Ron, I just saw that on Crossfire (S E Cupp vould get my vote, Republican or not) CNN had another disturbing clip of a Republican, (I think he was a Senator?) berating a Park Ranger for doing her job.

The shit now claims he needs to "Clariify"

Congressman. Some teabag piece of shit.

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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 8:02:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The people believed obama when he was said he was going to usher in an unprecedented era of bipartisanship.
The people believed obama when he said it would be the most transparent administration in history.
The people believed obama when he said if you like your healthcare you can keep it.
The people believed obama when he said healthcare would cost $2500 less.

The people don't believe him anymore. They don't want obamacare.

7 people signed up in Louisiana by wednesday. less than 1000 in connecticutt. None in Kansas. To hit their targets the dems need more than 100,000 every day.


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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 8:47:13 PM   
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The shit now claims he needs to "Clariify"



Well, Polite, as soon as my President realizes he needs to "clarify" about his refusal to engage with other Americans who don't think his vision is divine and perfect, we can get things back up to speed.



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RE: Ending the shutdown? - 10/4/2013 8:57:05 PM   
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