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Lucylastic -> Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 7:32:26 PM)

How many more repubs need to side with the dems on this before boehner does what needs to be done to end this?
or is this Obamas problem instead?[;)]



WASHINGTON -- For all the fighting on Capitol Hill over how to end the government shutdown, the reality is that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) could do it right now if he wanted to.

All Boehner has to do is bring a “clean” continuing resolution to the House floor -- that is, a bill to fund the government without any strings attached -- and give it a vote. Most, if not all, Democrats would vote for it, and enough Republicans are publicly now on board to pass it. The Huffington Post has been keeping a running tally of which Republicans have said they support doing this. Privately, more GOP lawmakers have indicated they would as well.

Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), who is among those publicly backing a clean bill, said he has talked to some of those quieter members who would support the bill if it came up for a vote, although he declined to put a number on them.

"I've had many members say things to me that they are prepared to vote for one," Dent said. "They were prepared to vote for one [Monday]; they were prepared to vote for one [Tuesday]."

"Some members just haven't gone public," said Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.), also among those publicly calling for a vote on a clean bill, during a Tuesday interview on CNN. "I’m certain there are a lot more."

If the House did pass a clean funding bill, it would sail through the Senate and President Barack Obama would sign it. Some senators have been pointing out how easily Boehner could resolve the whole situation.

"The key to opening the government is not only sitting in the House, the key is already in the lock. All the speaker has to do is turn it ever so slightly," Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) said Wednesday.

A Boehner spokesman did not provide a comment.

The math is fairly simple in terms of what it takes to get a bill across the finish line. If all 200 House Democrats stayed united behind a clean funding bill, it would take only 17 Republicans to join them in passing it. And as of Wednesday afternoon, there were 17 House Republicans publicly saying they would back such a bill.

In fact, if House Republicans hadn't decided to link the funding bill to delaying or defunding Obamacare, the bill likely would have passed already because Democrats in the Senate agreed earlier to accept the GOP's spending levels in the bill, at least for a period of six weeks.

But any action requires Boehner to put the measure on the floor in the first place.

If Boehner continues to refuse to put a clean funding bill on the floor and Democrats want to play hardball, they could force a House vote on it through what’s called a discharge petition. They would need 218 lawmakers to sign the petition, which would require having 18 Republicans on board. But this process is incredibly time-consuming, taking up to 30 days if leaders do not cooperate and only allowing for a possible vote on the second and fourth Mondays of the month.

Some members have expressed trepidation about the tactics of Boehner and the tea party, especially after the House repeatedly voted on measures to block Obamacare that were summarily rejected by the Senate.

"We tried it a couple of times. We were running out of time," said Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), signaling his displeasure. "My issue there was, 'Guys, I don't see this progressing, let's switch strategy,'" he told reporters after House GOP leaders again decided against floating a clean bill Tuesday.

Diaz-Balart wouldn't quite commit to the easy solution. "I don't think it would be prudent for me to tie my hands down," he said after the leaders decided they would try to pass piecemeal bills to fund agencies they like, one at a time.

But he hinted he might look beyond Boehner's strategy. "It's not abandoning -- that's why the thing about the clean CR. I'm not conceding yet," he said. "But that strategy wasn't working."

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), another backer of moving a clean funding bill, thought the piecemeal approach would at least stall things for a while, though he wasn't sure how long.

"Who knows?" he said. "We've got to play this out. We're going to keep playing this out."

Currently, the House GOP is making a stand over what they call the refusal of the president and the Democratic-controlled Senate to consider talking about Obamacare in the context of keeping the government running.

"[Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid's refusal to negotiate is an arrogance that I haven't seen in this town," said Rep. Alan Nunnelee (R-Miss.), who offered that statement after being asked about the chances of a clean bill getting a vote.

Obama did agree to meet with congressional leaders on Wednesday evening. But when they emerged more than an hour later, it didn't seem that anything had been accomplished. Boehner complained to reporters that Obama "will not negotiate," and Reid said Boehner "cannot take yes for an answer."

While the White House meeting may not have yielded much progress, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) had suggested on Tuesday that such talks might give House leaders a way out of what another Republican senator, Bob Corker of Tennessee, called a "box canyon."

"The House Republicans are looking for a way out of this because of the reaction of the American people, but they're also trying to preserve their position, and it's a very difficult situation for them," McCain said. "Hopefully, we can find something that would give some small satisfaction to our friends in the House that they could agree to."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/john-boehner-end-shutdown_n_4030766.html





Owner59 -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 7:43:56 PM)

Actually, there are enough democratic votes to pass a clean CR, tonight.



But the banana-republicans won`t put one on the floor.



They are already blinking and looking for ways to save face.



One con just suggested they`ll pass a CR if they can cut social security....



Good luck with that.....lunatic fringe...[:D]


"President Barack Obama on Thursday mocked a Republican lawmaker who said the party needs to “get something” out of the ongoing government shutdown but that he doesn’t “know what.”

“Think about that,” Obama said after quoting the lawmaker during a campaign-style event at a construction company in Rockville, Md. “You have already gotten the opportunity to serve the American people. There’s no higher honor than that. You’ve already gotten the opportunity to help businesses like this one, workers like these. So the American people aren’t in the mood to give you a goodie bag to go with it.”

Obama was rebutting Indiana Republican Rep. Marlin Stutzman, who said Wednesday that “we’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”


Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/10/03/obama-mocks-goper-who-wants-something-from-shutdown/#ixzz2giXLf0sW











Owner59 -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 7:48:08 PM)

The President also said he won`t negotiate until after the government opens....



This reminds me of that South Park episode where Canada goes on strike.....[:D]..... No one gives a fuck what their concerns are......[:D]



The cons are going to get zero of what they want,while providing us with a lot of election ammo to use in 13 months and they will be disrespected.....[;)]




Owner59 -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 8:32:13 PM)

Busted! Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell Caught on Hot Mic Revealing Shutdown Strategy (Video)


[:D]


http://progressivepopulist.org/2013/10/03/busted-rand-paul-and-mitch-mcconnell-caught-on-hot-mic-revealing-shutdown-strategy-video/



They couldn`t give a fuck about Americans....just what their messaging should be and "poll testing the shutdown".....rand said....they were "going to win "....



Won`t that add some more egg on the face when they implode....?




Phydeaux -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:01:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Busted! Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell Caught on Hot Mic Revealing Shutdown Strategy (Video)


[:D]


http://progressivepopulist.org/2013/10/03/busted-rand-paul-and-mitch-mcconnell-caught-on-hot-mic-revealing-shutdown-strategy-video/



They couldn`t give a fuck about Americans....just what their messaging should be and "poll testing the shutdown".....rand said....they were "going to win "....



Won`t that add some more egg on the face when they implode....?



I invite everyone to look at the video. If thats the worst you got, republicans will be fine.




Phydeaux -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:04:33 PM)

Careful y'all: This story is all over facebook -- Lady went on gov website sign up for one of the exchanges, put in her social security # -- she's diabetic, in a decent salary bracket. Got a premium quote of just over $500 per/mo w/a deductible of just over $13,000. When she tried to cancel she was told her fine of over $4,000 would be automatically taken from her bank account. They were nice enough to ask if she wanted them to take the money weekly, monthly or quarterly. Apparently, once you key in your social, you're on the hook for the premium & deductible...or a fine.




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:07:52 PM)

Ben Stein is a diehard Repub, and HE can't stand the people behind the shut-down whom he called "idiots", in fact pointing all this out and pointing out how normal repubs can't stand the tea-pots.

To be fair, Lucy and others, if a LOT of repubs are pissed off at this brinksmanship and complain on the CRAIG FERGUSON SHOW about it, it's only fair to call this "the Tea-Pot Rebellion" shut down instead ofa shut-down caused by all repubs, as a group, en toto. I doubt the fiscally conservative Queer Men ala the Log Cabin guys were in favour of any of this bullsh!t at all.




TheHeretic -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:32:22 PM)

HuffnPoo for the source? Some fine nonpartisan reporting there, Lucy...

Yes, Boehner could cave in, and pull the plug, but why would he possibly want to do that? To make liberals like him? Sure thing.

Personally, I'd like to see a bill with no extras come through, to settle out the debt ceiling before it takes over the news cycle, and then just hold solid on the budget impasse. No CR. No return to normal operations, until the Dems are willing to sign on to a real budget, and put this ill-considered, badly executed, healthcare monstrosity out of it's, and our, misery.

I saw some interesting stuff today, on California's status with welfare programs. While the state has a fat reserve to keep the cash aid flowing for a good while, the food stamps aren't going to be there in November, and neither will the Section 8 subsidy checks. It's easy to think, reading HuffnPoo from far away, that they'll just passively blame the Republicans, but if we get there, my bet would be that they'll turn that anger on the people they elected. Ask Gray Davis how that works out.





DarkSteven -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:36:22 PM)

No surprise. This is going to be a war of public opinion at this point, with both the GOP Senators and Obama/Dem lawmakers each trying to score points with the electorate.

Obama should have the edge because:

1. Not much has changed since Newt pulled the same stunt.
2. Obama has the bully pulpit.




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:43:08 PM)

"they'll just passively blame the Republicans,"

again, this does not seem to be a republican as-a-group issue. Just as many liberal democrats considered Andrea Dworkin to be a raving mad semi-psychotic harridan, more than a few republicans seem to consider the Tea-Pots to be equally nutbaggy, equally "Crackpots", but are scared to stand openly against them. besides, if this all goes horribly wrong and the Cracked Tea Pots go down in a twirl of self-immolating flame, the sane Republicans will be there to pick up the pieces and look like stirling heroes later on.




TheHeretic -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:47:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

No surprise. This is going to be a war of public opinion at this point, with both the GOP Senators and Obama/Dem lawmakers each trying to score points with the electorate.

Obama should have the edge because:

1. Not much has changed since Newt pulled the same stunt.
2. Obama has the bully pulpit.



Except Bill Clinton did cave and negotiate. He even wound up being forced into a balanced budget (aided by increased revenue of the dotcom boom, of course) that he later claimed all the credit for. President Obama has not left himself any room to wiggle.

He's pretty much exhausted his bully pulpit too, from too much bullying, and too much bullshit. He's sharkjumping on a regular basis, and expects the media to keep right on carrying his water. That may not happen.




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 9:51:40 PM)

" President Obama has not left himself any room to wiggle. "

no, all the money accrued by Clintonian Gov't that was subsequently rorted by Cheney and others for the Middle East campaigns combined with Fratswanks-Dropped-on-their-head-Wall-Street-Sociopathic-Monkeys bankrupting the country for their own gain left him no room to wiggle.




Owner59 -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 10:08:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

No surprise. This is going to be a war of public opinion at this point, with both the GOP Senators and Obama/Dem lawmakers each trying to score points with the electorate.

Obama should have the edge because:

1. Not much has changed since Newt pulled the same stunt.
2. Obama has the bully pulpit.



You know the moron-cons have lost it when they start calling reality/news/the record liberal news.....


Don`t republicans own any of their own conduct?


Is it always passively blame others?




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 10:09:55 PM)

"Don`t republicans own any of their own conduct? "

No, because they sold off all the rights to it to Fox TV's reality TV wing.




Owner59 -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 10:15:42 PM)

The teajadists have been planning this for weeks,proving their premeditation and geopee ownership.....


"Under the plan -- spearheaded by Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) -- Republicans aim to block any government funding resolution that includes money for the ACA"



http://www.californiahealthline.org/articles/2013/8/23/house-gop-members-ask-leadership-to-support-aca-defunding-plan




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/3/2013 10:23:48 PM)

basically that amounts to Savonarolla as a splinter group interest.

Maybe the repubs need to look at what happened to him, since they like traditional religion so much.




SadistDave -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/4/2013 12:44:46 AM)

I love it when liberals cry, lol!

The House GOP is doing it's job. They don't have to allow a vote on a Dumbocrat bill any more than Harry Reid has to let a GOP bill on the floor. Reid has been playing this game for years with House bills, so all the whining about the GOP not wanting to negotiate is just bullshit. Reid and Oblamer have already said they won't negotiate. The GOP doesn't have to negotiate either.

The longer this goes on, the worse it becomes for the Democraps. Every time the House GOP sends over a bill they refuse to vote on, Reid shows himself to be the real designer of the shutdown and the libs lose more credibility. Unfortunately, the GOP has a record of caving in. The question here is whether or not they will finally show some balls and stand their ground long enough to get Reid and Obummer to back down. Every time the House sends over a bill that funds something and Reid refuses to vote on it, then it becomes a liability to the Dems. All they have to do is keep sending over bills and eventually they will hit every voting demographic. If Reid keeps disallowing the vote, he will eventually piss off every single one of them...

So far, Reids managed to piss off a lot of veterans, military personnel, and parents of children with cancer by not passing funding bills. I think the master stroke would be for the GOP to send over something like an AIDS research funding bill and maybe funding for programs that mostly aid poor inner-city folks and a couple of green jobs initiatives, just to watch Reid and the shithead at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue squirm...

-SD-




NoBimbosAllowed -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/4/2013 12:52:16 AM)

Libs crying is as cockless as armchair wannabe SuperbowlApes banging their chests with culturally arthritic fists.






Lucylastic -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/4/2013 1:32:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

HuffnPoo for the source? Some fine nonpartisan reporting there, Lucy...

Yes, Boehner could cave in, and pull the plug, but why would he possibly want to do that? To make liberals like him? Sure thing.

Personally, I'd like to see a bill with no extras come through, to settle out the debt ceiling before it takes over the news cycle, and then just hold solid on the budget impasse. No CR. No return to normal operations, until the Dems are willing to sign on to a real budget, and put this ill-considered, badly executed, healthcare monstrosity out of it's, and our, misery.

I saw some interesting stuff today, on California's status with welfare programs. While the state has a fat reserve to keep the cash aid flowing for a good while, the food stamps aren't going to be there in November, and neither will the Section 8 subsidy checks. It's easy to think, reading HuffnPoo from far away, that they'll just passively blame the Republicans, but if we get there, my bet would be that they'll turn that anger on the people they elected. Ask Gray Davis how that works out.



Im sorry Rich.... is there a lie in there? non-partisan?? give me a break...lol just shoot the messenger eh??? SNORT
Im sorry Drudge, the blaze and fox arent giving me any pertinent info, as usual...well the blaze is but giving me huff po as a source...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/02/now-17-house-republicans-are-ready-to-throw-in-the-towel-in-obamacare-fight-dems-have-the-leverage-and-only-john-boehner-can-stop-them/

how about these lil tidbits... or are they too partisan for you? For whatever reason, these guys are willing to stop the shutdown
Considering all the cuts to TANF SNAP and WIC, they have wrought in the last year or so, whats the surprise...

http://meehan.house.gov/latest-news/meehan-bring-a-clean-funding-bill-to-the-floor/
https://twitter.com/RepScottRigell/status/385046426901684224
http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/news/local/runyan-calls-for-clean-budget-bill-to-end-shutdown/article_305ea0e1-ddc1-5a96-9d14-8fd0191e43c4.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/capitolinq/LoBiondo-time-for-House-Rs-to-try-a-new-strategy.html
http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-pa-government-shutdown-dent-congress-20130930,0,1575739.story
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359957/king-two-thirds-house-republicans-would-support-clean-cr-betsy-woodruff
https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/384817090265616384
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/325905-cracks-emerge-in-house-gop-on-government-shutdown#ixzz2gVWhLoPP
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/u-s-rep-lobiondo-calls-government-shutdown-unacceptable/article_8fcfe480-2ad6-11e3-a9d5-0019bb2963f4.html
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/10/rigell-forbes-ok-budget-bill-drop-health-fight
http://gerlach.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=352069
https://twitter.com/dnewhauser/status/385458718961201152
https://twitter.com/learyreports/status/385491552631816192
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2013/10/mario-diaz-balart-on-his-house-cr-no-vote-and-obamas-wavering-red-lines.html
http://www.uticaod.com/news/x452545458/Hanna-bucks-Republican-majority-in-shutdown-battle
https://twitter.com/TimGriffinAR2/status/385326220700692480




Lucylastic -> RE: Ending the shutdown? (10/4/2013 1:39:28 AM)

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