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BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 5:47:10 PM)
no, he did not create the situation, but until he shot and killed someone the situation did not have a dead, probably innocent, person in it. I don't understand why you don't understand that. If he didn't walk out of his house and start shooting then everyone would be alive. When he decided to do what he did no one's life was in danger. Its not cowardice to decide not to shoot. A person points a gun at you, I understand, shoot first etc but he took a life that did not need to be taken and that is the point of this thread. Another dead body If the girls hadn't fired at him or at least the house everyone would be alive. It this country the person committing the crime is responsible for any injuries, I don't see why you can't understand that. Your belief that not ones life was in danger assumes good will one the part of the girls, that if no one shot back they would be good little girls and go home. Nobody said not protecting his family would have made him a coward. If they are pointing a gun at you then you can fight back but if they shoot at you then you can't?

deathtothepixies -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 5:58:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD It this country the person committing the crime is responsible not sure what to add to that quote the girls......attempted murder possibly Scott....... actual murder

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 6:42:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD It this country the person committing the crime is responsible not sure what to add to that quote the girls......attempted murder possibly Scott....... actual murder Scott being one of the victims does not bear any legal responsibility in this country

lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 7:45:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD It this country the person committing the crime is responsible not sure what to add to that quote the girls......attempted murder possibly Scott....... actual murder Scott being one of the victims does not bear any legal responsibility in this country I'm always on your side with these gun issues, but didn't we have a post with this guys arrest record and criminal history ? And isn't there a question of whether or not shots were actually fired by the girls from the SUV because of conflicting witness testimony ? We still don't know exactly what the judge said or why he ruled the way he did. And SC isn't exactly the home of liberalism. I realize its not Texas but its not New York City either. So why is the prosecutor still in pursuit of making this case ? Is he another anti gun asshole ? Maybe but I'm not so sure and I don't know every fact in the case yet. But if this guy shot into Niles car, especially if the SUV wasn't anywhere around at the moment, and even if shots were fired from the SUV previously, Iv'e got to say, in my mind it's a major fuck up.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 8:06:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD It this country the person committing the crime is responsible not sure what to add to that quote the girls......attempted murder possibly Scott....... actual murder Scott being one of the victims does not bear any legal responsibility in this country I'm always on your side with these gun issues, but didn't we have a post with this guys arrest record and criminal history ? And isn't there a question of whether or not shots were actually fired by the girls from the SUV because of conflicting witness testimony ? We still don't know exactly what the judge said or why he ruled the way he did. And SC isn't exactly the home of liberalism. I realize its not Texas but its not New York City either. So why is the prosecutor still in pursuit of making this case ? Is he another anti gun asshole ? Maybe but I'm not so sure and I don't know every fact in the case yet. But if this guy shot into Niles car, especially if the SUV wasn't anywhere around at the moment, and even if shots were fired from the SUV previously, Iv'e got to say, in my mind it's a major fuck up. Those claims were made and if true why isn't he doing time for illegal possession. There are questions but they cannot be resolved with competing biased sites. There has to be information available to the judge that we do not have. If it turns out that he was the only one to shoot that changes things completely. If he had the gun illegally he should do time for it but it does not automatically affect the circumstances of the incident. What we know is screwed up we just do not know which part is. If everything we have heard from the anti side is true everyone involved in this case should be in jail, up to and including the judge. This is not to say they are lying but the info out there is virtually all cherry picked (both sides). Until I get solid evidence to the contrary I chose to think that the judge isn't a total bozo. They would have not just be not liberal but they would have to ignore the law as it concerns this

lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 8:47:00 PM)
You wouldn't think the judge is a total fuck up but just recently in Montana of all places, a judge gave this rapist a 30 day sentence even after his victim committed suicide over the matter. Judges and jury's fuck up all the time. I still favor SYG laws but even so, and even if these SUV girls were diving on the street firing away at the same time as Niles drove down the road, he's still a major fuck up. The only way I could see it is if Niles passed by on the other side of the SUV and a bullet went through the SUV missing everything and hitting Niles or Niles was real close to passing and the shot was a little off.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:02:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin You wouldn't think the judge is a total fuck up but just recently in Montana of all places, a judge gave this rapist a 30 day sentence even after his victim committed suicide over the matter. Judges and jury's fuck up all the time. I still favor SYG laws but even so, and even if these SUV girls were diving on the street firing away at the same time as Niles drove down the road, he's still a major fuck up. The only way I could see it is if Niles passed by on the other side of the SUV and a bullet went through the SUV missing everything and hitting Niles or Niles was real close to passing and the shot was a little off. Or if he, as one website stated (not that I believe them) he came in right behind the girls and whipped into the Scott driveway. Or the girls drove by shooting Scott came out to return fire and Niles stopped in front of his house leading Scott to believe that he was the attacker. I am not claiming that any of these happened. Another point if the car was moving, to shoot a person in the head in the dark in a moving car it almost impossible. We need for the court records to be released to know.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:05:34 PM)
You wouldn't think the judge is a total fuck up but just recently in Montana of all places, a judge gave this rapist a 30 day sentence even after his victim committed suicide over the matter. Judges and jury's fuck up all the time. yes they do

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:11:48 PM)
but didn't we have a post with this guys arrest record and criminal history I went to the same site and entered the same parameters and got a response of no match found

Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:15:13 PM)
so you are saying we are lying?? or that you cant find your ass with both hands?

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:26:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so you are saying we are lying?? or that you cant find your ass with both hands? none of the above If had done felony time he would be in jail for illegal position. Misdemeanors go up to one year but that isn't the level of crime antis want for him.

Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:30:58 PM)
then what are you saying?

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:32:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so you are saying we are lying?? or that you cant find your ass with both hands? none of the above If had done felony time he would be in jail for illegal position. Misdemeanors go up to one year but that isn't the level of crime antis want for him.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:33:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic then what are you saying? The info currently available is totally screwed up.

Lucylastic -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:43:03 PM)
how so?, I never claimed that they were worth jail time....I said his court record was interesting. I gave you the link, I gave you his full name, I even said his address being beltline was accurate, I even put up a picture or two. There were at least two firearms incidents and a domestic violence.... if you cant figure it out.... thats your issue, but to say its quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD but didn't we have a post with this guys arrest record and criminal history I went to the same site and entered the same parameters and got a response of no match found is BS Arrest record was NOT claimed by me, only his COURT records You were certainly given a post listing his appearances.... SO I have to assume, its your inability, not mine... other people found it... so I can put this down to more.....miscomprehension... good night...

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:57:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic how so?, I never claimed that they were worth jail time....I said his court record was interesting. I gave you the link, I gave you his full name, I even said his address being beltline was accurate, I even put up a picture or two. There were at least two firearms incidents and a domestic violence.... if you cant figure it out.... thats your issue, but to say its quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD but didn't we have a post with this guys arrest record and criminal history I went to the same site and entered the same parameters and got a response of no match found is BS Arrest record was NOT claimed by me, only his COURT records You were certainly given a post listing his appearances.... SO I have to assume, its your inability, not mine... other people found it... so I can put this down to more.....miscomprehension... good night... As usual you take things to personally. I was mainly referring to the person who claimed Scott had done 7 years. The information would have no bearing on this case, another inconvenience of American law.

lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 9:59:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Or if he, as one website stated (not that I believe them) he came in right behind the girls and whipped into the Scott driveway. Or the girls drove by shooting Scott came out to return fire and Niles stopped in front of his house leading Scott to believe that he was the attacker. LMAO.........oh yeah, I forgot about those versions. I guess damn near the whole discussion is hypothetical including my opinion.

BamaD -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/22/2013 10:54:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Or if he, as one website stated (not that I believe them) he came in right behind the girls and whipped into the Scott driveway. Or the girls drove by shooting Scott came out to return fire and Niles stopped in front of his house leading Scott to believe that he was the attacker. LMAO.........oh yeah, I forgot about those versions. I guess damn near the whole discussion is hypothetical including my opinion. We just don't know so I am running on innocent until proven guilty. The allegation that at first he denied involvement and then later "confessed" even brings up the possibility that the daughter did the shooting and he is covering for her. Again I am not saying that happened but the "facts" are convoluted and contradictory so who knows.

lovmuffin -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/23/2013 12:06:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The allegation that at first he denied involvement and then later "confessed" even brings up the possibility that the daughter did the shooting and he is covering for her. I forgot about that too. That would make it criminal and his whole situation much worse. Until we find out more details there's not much more to say other than whatever we find out it still doesn't invalidate SYG. People will try any excuse to get off of a murder charge. A lawyer will use anything in the law to get their clients off. Sometimes a judge or a jury will buy an illegitimate claim.

eulero83 -> RE: Innocent bystander killed in SYG case (10/23/2013 12:39:10 AM)
FR we don't know also if he's being prosecuted for all the other charges but not murder...

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