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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Of course they questioned him, they said this in one of the links, and he denied to have been part of the shooting, than confessed the day after.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

yessss think REALLL HARD about what you said in point two, suicides not being counted as homocide, would mean you'd have a LARGER number of TOTAL gun deaths than gun homicides, not the other way around!

and look you made a broad general statement, now you wanna say welll THOSE kinds of massacres DO NOT COUNT, people here have been REALL ASSES to me about being SPECIFIC, I guess you get a PASS on that though!

BTW when you take into accont the context of the US CONSTITUTION, they are VERY VERY MUCH part of the debate, because that VERY THING is the reason we have the right to bear arms! so we could, if need be, defend ourselves from SOLDIERS!

Annual Gun Homicide for 2011
UK Is 338
US is 11,101

1) Yes, my bad. I think Lucy made a typo and the figure should read 38 and not 338. I read the link as 38.

2) No, i didnt make a broad statement, I made a specific statement about gun deaths, by civilians, in peacetime.

3) I am sure your government would soon put down an armed rebellion, whatever you feel the Constitution meant.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Of course they questioned him, they said this in one of the links, and he denied to have been part of the shooting, than confessed the day after.

So you want me to believe that he was in illegal possession of a firearm and lied to the police and is still walking around free.

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On top of that, Scott did not give police his name that night and failed to tell them he had fired his gun. It wasn’t until four days after he killed Niles that Scott turned himself in.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

yessss think REALLL HARD about what you said in point two, suicides not being counted as homocide, would mean you'd have a LARGER number of TOTAL gun deaths than gun homicides, not the other way around!

and look you made a broad general statement, now you wanna say welll THOSE kinds of massacres DO NOT COUNT, people here have been REALL ASSES to me about being SPECIFIC, I guess you get a PASS on that though!

BTW when you take into accont the context of the US CONSTITUTION, they are VERY VERY MUCH part of the debate, because that VERY THING is the reason we have the right to bear arms! so we could, if need be, defend ourselves from SOLDIERS!

Annual Gun Homicide for 2011
UK Is 338
US is 11,101

1) Yes, my bad. I think Lucy made a typo and the figure should read 38 and not 338. I read the link as 38.

2) No, i didnt make a broad statement, I made a specific statement about gun deaths, by civilians, in peacetime.

3) I am sure your government would soon put down an armed rebellion, whatever you feel the Constitution meant.

possibly it is a typo, thanks for implying I am too stupid to do simple math btw!

umm NOO you DID NOT, at no point in your statment did you mention CIVILIANS or PEACETIME!

now that MAY BE what you meant, but you DID NOT SPECIFICLY mention either of those two things!

wether the gov't would put down an armed rebellion or not is NOT part of the DEBATE.

you said it wasn't part of the DEBATE, the debate is about guns, gun laws, and why they should or should NOT be changed

and the reason mentioned IS a large part of WHY the gun laws in the USA are what they are so YESSS IT IS a part of the DEBATE!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Lmfao........ yes I meant the police didnt question him...... No way did I mean more questions to answer in the general sense of the phrase.

We didnt see the guy get killed either, care to suggest that didnt happen as well ? [8|]

If you had actually read my post I was bringing it to your attention that even though we were not present I am sure the police asked a lot of questions.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

for starters I wouldn't have listed bombing because he SPECIFICLY stated GUN RELATED MASSACRES
secondly I didn't cherry pick that list to begin with I copied it directly from a wiki page titled

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_Kingdom

List of massacres in Great Britain and Northern Ireland

I guess he should have been MORE SPECIFIC as to NOT INCLUDE massacres by MILITARY

as for providing CITATIONS, come ONNNNNN, you claiming I MADE THOSE EVENTS UP?

go ahead PRETEND that just because I didn't post a LINK it means they DIDN'T HAPPEN!

I find something CURIOUS about your numbers though


2011 totals of all gun deaths
UKs gun deaths are 146
US gun deaths are 32,163


Annual Gun Homicide for 2011
UK Is 338
US is 11,101


how can you have 338 gun homicides and only have 146 gun deaths?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Lmfao........ yes I meant the police didnt question him...... No way did I mean more questions to answer in the general sense of the phrase.

We didnt see the guy get killed either, care to suggest that didnt happen as well ? [8|]

If you had actually read my post I was bringing it to your attention that even though we were not present I am sure the police asked a lot of questions.

Really, is that what you felt the need to do. Although I had already quoted from his statement to the police, you felt I may have missed the fact they had questioned him ? Do you think I felt the police just guessed his statement, without asking any damn questions..... Sheshhh

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


"While I am sure this will come as no shock to you be we are dealing with a cultural divide so great as to virtually preclude civil discourse."

Pot kettle and I just cant be arsed.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin
possibly it is a typo, thanks for implying I am too stupid to do simple math btw!

umm NOO you DID NOT, at no point in your statment did you mention CIVILIANS or PEACETIME!

"Come to that, what the fuck were we Brits thinking. Bringing in gun controls so we have had less gun related massacres in 100 years than you have had in the last one or two. And imagine that, we destroy perfectly good guns in order to save the lives of people....... How crass is that."

now that MAY BE what you meant, but you DID NOT SPECIFICLY mention either of those two things!

wether the gov't would put down an armed rebellion or not is NOT part of the DEBATE.

you said it wasn't part of the DEBATE, the debate is about guns, gun laws, and why they should or should NOT be changed

and the reason mentioned IS a large part of WHY the gun laws in the USA are what they are so YESSS IT IS a part of the DEBATE!

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Lmfao........ yes I meant the police didnt question him...... No way did I mean more questions to answer in the general sense of the phrase.

We didnt see the guy get killed either, care to suggest that didnt happen as well ? [8|]

If you had actually read my post I was bringing it to your attention that even though we were not present I am sure the police asked a lot of questions.

Really, is that what you felt the need to do. Although I had already quoted from his statement to the police, you felt I may have missed the fact they had questioned him ? Do you think I felt the police just guessed his statement, without asking any damn questions..... Sheshhh

No you said there were questions he needed to be asked sheesh

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

for starters I wouldn't have listed bombing because he SPECIFICLY stated GUN RELATED MASSACRES
secondly I didn't cherry pick that list to begin with I copied it directly from a wiki page titled

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_United_Kingdom

List of massacres in Great Britain and Northern Ireland

I guess he should have been MORE SPECIFIC as to NOT INCLUDE massacres by MILITARY

as for providing CITATIONS, come ONNNNNN, you claiming I MADE THOSE EVENTS UP?

go ahead PRETEND that just because I didn't post a LINK it means they DIDN'T HAPPEN!

I find something CURIOUS about your numbers though


2011 totals of all gun deaths
UKs gun deaths are 146
US gun deaths are 32,163


Annual Gun Homicide for 2011
UK Is 338
US is 11,101


how can you have 338 gun homicides and only have 146 gun deaths?

its called a typo, if you had looked at the link you would have seen that...a simple error a double tapping of the 3 key.
The majority of those "massacres, HAPPPENED Because of the bombings by the IRA
you wanna ignore that "cause and effect"
I never claimed you made them up did I ???? I asked for your cites...your source... that was all
I said you ignored the bombings. Nothing more. Trying to strawman me doesnt work, you taking a hissy fit because you think I said something, is YOUR problem not mine.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.



I kind of suspect that the police asked him one or two questions, don't you.
Just because you and I do not get to question him doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Lmfao........ yes I meant the police didnt question him...... No way did I mean more questions to answer in the general sense of the phrase.

We didnt see the guy get killed either, care to suggest that didnt happen as well ? [8|]

If you had actually read my post I was bringing it to your attention that even though we were not present I am sure the police asked a lot of questions.

Really, is that what you felt the need to do. Although I had already quoted from his statement to the police, you felt I may have missed the fact they had questioned him ? Do you think I felt the police just guessed his statement, without asking any damn questions..... Sheshhh

No you said there were questions he needed to be asked sheesh

NO i didnt, Its just another lie from you. I said he had questions to answer, a phrase you obviously dont understand.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.


Your post # 449

Wrong again.

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Luvmuffin
Hell yes, decriminalize drugs, most of the common ones at least.

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Yes, strategies to combat street gangs. I've posted that one myself on another thread. Some if not most police agencies have inadequate resources and personnel for their gang task forces.

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Definitely we need to take a look at prison culture. Not only do we need better rehabilitation but we need to take control back from the prisoners. In far too many state and federal prisons there is way too much gang activity and drug use. Not only that but many lose all hope because the only think happening to them is getting raped.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


Ultimately gun violence is going to be a fact of US life until guns are removed from the public arena, especially urban areas. I see no compelling reason for any one ( law enforcement excepted) to possess guns in an urban environment* so if people wish to eliminate gun violence, then they have to aim at removing guns from the public arena entirely, as has been done in other locations

* Guns for household protection don’t ever need to leave the household do they?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I have said that in this case, the shooter should have questions to answer, all of which is on topic.


Your post # 449

Wrong again.

Yes, thats exactly what I said I said. Which isnt exactly what you claimed.

As for your comment of "Thats twice this thread" make it three times that I have had to correct you. I shall keep doing it until you stop making stuff up about what I have or havent said.