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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Here's another image floating around out there. GOP "Conservatism" and the myth that the GOP is great for the economy and business is a lie. The numbers don't lie and no...no links to any sources because most partisans the just go after the messenger.

• Under Reagan and Bush Sr.: $3.4 Trillion increase in the debt.

• Under George W. Bush: $6.1 Trillion

• Total: $9.5 Trillion. (not counting interest)

• Interest on Reagan-Bush debt under Clinton: $2.2 trillion.

• Interest on $11.7 trillion after G. W. Bush: $3 trillion

• Grand Total Reagan/Bush/Bush Debt: $12 trillion (as of Sept. 30, 2010).

Reagan/Bush/Bush all deficit spent during good years, which has now made it unpalatable to deficit spend in a period when it is appropriate for governments to deficit spend. The Republican Presidents' reckless deficit spending condemned us to an extended Great Recession.

The GOP leaders know exactly what would happen to the economy if we all of a sudden "balanced the budget." The US would go into a tailspin we could never pull out of. Obama is damned by the GOP regardless of the path he takes.

This is all on the GOP. Here's more image:

Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents.

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents

Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)

Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents (If you invested $100k for 40 years of Republican administrations you had $126k at the end, if you invested $100k for 40 years of Democrat administrations you had $3.9M at the end)

Republican presidents added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents.

The two times the economy steered into the ditch (Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican, laissez faire administrations

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

Oh, and after you are done vomiting because of another Clinton as pres....you'll be richer than you were under a repub.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

Oh, and after you are done vomiting because of another Clinton as pres....you'll be richer than you were under a repub.

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ORIGINAL: AdorkableAiley

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

The economy isn't exactly doing awesome right now and we've had a Dem in office for the last, what, 5 years?

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Here's another image floating around out there. GOP "Conservatism" and the myth that the GOP is great for the economy and business is a lie. The numbers don't lie and no...no links to any sources because most partisans the just go after the messenger.

• Under Reagan and Bush Sr.: $3.4 Trillion increase in the debt.

• Under George W. Bush: $6.1 Trillion

• Total: $9.5 Trillion. (not counting interest)

• Interest on Reagan-Bush debt under Clinton: $2.2 trillion.

• Interest on $11.7 trillion after G. W. Bush: $3 trillion

• Grand Total Reagan/Bush/Bush Debt: $12 trillion (as of Sept. 30, 2010).

Reagan/Bush/Bush all deficit spent during good years, which has now made it unpalatable to deficit spend in a period when it is appropriate for governments to deficit spend. The Republican Presidents' reckless deficit spending condemned us to an extended Great Recession.

The GOP leaders know exactly what would happen to the economy if we all of a sudden "balanced the budget." The US would go into a tailspin we could never pull out of. Obama is damned by the GOP regardless of the path he takes.

This is all on the GOP. Here's more image:

Personal disposable income has grown nearly 6 times more under Democratic presidents.

Gross Domestic Product (GDP) has grown 7 times more under Democratic presidents

Corporate profits have grown over 16% more per year under Democratic presidents (they actually declined under Republicans by an average of 4.53%/year)

Average annual compound return on the stock market has been 18 times greater under Democratic presidents (If you invested $100k for 40 years of Republican administrations you had $126k at the end, if you invested $100k for 40 years of Democrat administrations you had $3.9M at the end)

Republican presidents added 2.5 times more to the national debt than Democratic presidents.

The two times the economy steered into the ditch (Great Depression and Great Recession) were during Republican, laissez faire administrations

yeah lets ignore this lil detail, the fact that every single pres except ONE since the beginning of the country has run deficits...

now have the numbers gone crazy, yes of course they have but then once upon a time a loaf of bread was a nickel too!


09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
4.350,xxx,xxx,xxx.xx


http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

not sure where you got 9.5 trillion, but acording to the treasury dept bush2's debt was 4.35 trillion

go ahead and shoot the messanger its the treasury dept!

09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
6,253,xxx,xxx,xxx.xx

even if we start in 1999 and go threw 2009 it still doesn't come to 9.5

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

Oh, and after you are done vomiting because of another Clinton as pres....you'll be richer than you were under a repub.

If you feel better repeating the mantra of your party have at it. Just don't expect me to follow your lead. I prefer to think for myself.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

Oh, and after you are done vomiting because of another Clinton as pres....you'll be richer than you were under a repub.

again not competely TRUE

reagan inherited a recession, and produced I think, without looking it up, 18% economic growth, while clinton inherited a robust economy and was only able to produce a 2% better economic growth of 20%...

and clinton did that by revamping the CRA creating a hyper inflation economy that eventually caused the houseing bubble and the recession we are still crawling out from under

lets look a OBAMA, under his rule, unemployment steadlity climbed, until 2010 right after the repubs took control of the house and said NO, to EVERY SINGLE THING obama & dems tried to do, mysteriously unempoyment started to fall.

or is that just a coincedence?

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

MrRodgers - the unfortunate reality is that your post did not extol the virtues of a Democrat, but simply excoriated the GOP. The responses did not extol a Republican but excoriated the Dems.

One of the reasons I want to see a third party become mainstream is that a "Dems are bad" or "Reps are bad" mentality will produce voters who vote for the other party. We get disenchanted with both parties throwing mud, but as long as there is no alternative, it's easier to discredit the other party's guy than boost ourselves.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

Oh, and after you are done vomiting because of another Clinton as pres....you'll be richer than you were under a repub.

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ORIGINAL: DOM68005

People in power just don't want to remember history. Lincoln's Republicans were breakaway Democrats.
Nixon as a Republican like the Democrats before him believed the Government could do no wrong.
In that era, the Democrats held such power, they had to have runoff elections to see whose name to put on the primary and runoff ballots. Some Democrats became so unhappy, just broke away and took over the Republican party in the Dixie south and Texas after Kennedy was elected.
Regan ... A lifelong Democrat and union leader jumped ship when some spineless Republicans were so determined to brand the White House with the big R, they put his face forward. Regan was a paid actor and not much use.
The Bush family may have been Texas Republicans, but many of the acts blamed on them were foisted on the country by the Democrats in Congress with their help.

My point is simple, you can't blame one side for the SNAFU way this country is operating when the powers that be are spending all their resources shining a bad light on their opponents rather than working on the country's needs.
Both sides from the long term perspective are so concerned about buying votes, so called conservatives are just trying to preserve standards of the Democrats of the mid-1900s.

When I see a ballot, most of the possible candidates are standing on Democrat principles Finding a valid Republican is like trying to find a brand new Hudson. They don't make them any more.

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ORIGINAL: AdorkableAiley

Honestly as long as both parties are working against each other instead of with each other not much is going to change. I am all for having different opinions, but you have to agree on some things sometimes or nothing will ever get done. I don't think either party is worth much right now and honestly I don't think I would vote Dem if it wasn't for the fact that the GOP scared me so much. The lesser of two evils is still evil. You'd do well not to forget that.


Ailey

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: DOM68005

People in power just don't want to remember history. Lincoln's Republicans were breakaway Democrats.
Nixon as a Republican like the Democrats before him believed the Government could do no wrong.
In that era, the Democrats held such power, they had to have runoff elections to see whose name to put on the primary and runoff ballots. Some Democrats became so unhappy, just broke away and took over the Republican party in the Dixie south and Texas after Kennedy was elected.
Regan ... A lifelong Democrat and union leader jumped ship when some spineless Republicans were so determined to brand the White House with the big R, they put his face forward. Regan was a paid actor and not much use.
The Bush family may have been Texas Republicans, but many of the acts blamed on them were foisted on the country by the Democrats in Congress with their help.

My point is simple, you can't blame one side for the SNAFU way this country is operating when the powers that be are spending all their resources shining a bad light on their opponents rather than working on the country's needs.
Both sides from the long term perspective are so concerned about buying votes, so called conservatives are just trying to preserve standards of the Democrats of the mid-1900s.

When I see a ballot, most of the possible candidates are standing on Democrat principles Finding a valid Republican is like trying to find a brand new Hudson. They don't make them any more.

Oh yes I can blame one side when it obvious after their policies and numbers what those policies produced vis-a-vis debt and the economy. Funny how dems could 'foist' things on Bush but now the repubs aren't 'foisting' things on Obama.

Dems did whatever they did and Bush I signed on, with votes but the repubs now can't get the votes so refuse to raise the debt limit as they have 23 time in 33 years to date since Reagan and need to resort to extortion and shutting down the govt.

I'll say again, in so many words...I haven't the slightest idea why anyone would vote repub.