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ORIGINAL: AdorkableAiley

Honestly as long as both parties are working against each other instead of with each other not much is going to change. I am all for having different opinions, but you have to agree on some things sometimes or nothing will ever get done. I don't think either party is worth much right now and honestly I don't think I would vote Dem if it wasn't for the fact that the GOP scared me so much. The lesser of two evils is still evil. You'd do well not to forget that.


Ailey

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

Oh, and after you are done vomiting because of another Clinton as pres....you'll be richer than you were under a repub.

Id have to agree, Hillary would be horrible. What exactly has she done? Natta. She had several opportunities to prove herself and we got "what difference does it make".

Moving forward, I'd ask simply... why would you vote for either? They are both the government party and are so similar, it leaves many of us with no option. I suggest seriously looking at independents, libertarians candidates the next go round! We've been with GP long enough and seewhere thats gotten us.

The problem is Democrats dont care who it is, as long as theres a D in front of their name, just like neocons vote for anyone who is planning to police the world.

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ORIGINAL: DsBound

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ORIGINAL: AdorkableAiley

Honestly as long as both parties are working against each other instead of with each other not much is going to change. I am all for having different opinions, but you have to agree on some things sometimes or nothing will ever get done. I don't think either party is worth much right now and honestly I don't think I would vote Dem if it wasn't for the fact that the GOP scared me so much. The lesser of two evils is still evil. You'd do well not to forget that.


Ailey

I agree with you up until "they are working against each other". They together are working against the people.

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ORIGINAL: DOM68005

People in power just don't want to remember history. Lincoln's Republicans were breakaway Democrats.
Nixon as a Republican like the Democrats before him believed the Government could do no wrong.
In that era, the Democrats held such power, they had to have runoff elections to see whose name to put on the primary and runoff ballots. Some Democrats became so unhappy, just broke away and took over the Republican party in the Dixie south and Texas after Kennedy was elected.
Regan ... A lifelong Democrat and union leader jumped ship when some spineless Republicans were so determined to brand the White House with the big R, they put his face forward. Regan was a paid actor and not much use.
The Bush family may have been Texas Republicans, but many of the acts blamed on them were foisted on the country by the Democrats in Congress with their help.

My point is simple, you can't blame one side for the SNAFU way this country is operating when the powers that be are spending all their resources shining a bad light on their opponents rather than working on the country's needs.
Both sides from the long term perspective are so concerned about buying votes, so called conservatives are just trying to preserve standards of the Democrats of the mid-1900s.

When I see a ballot, most of the possible candidates are standing on Democrat principles Finding a valid Republican is like trying to find a brand new Hudson. They don't make them any more.

Oh yes I can blame one side when it obvious after their policies and numbers what those policies produced vis-a-vis debt and the economy. Funny how dems could 'foist' things on Bush but now the repubs aren't 'foisting' things on Obama.

Dems did whatever they did and Bush I signed on, with votes but the repubs now can't get the votes so refuse to raise the debt limit as they have 23 time in 33 years to date since Reagan and need to resort to extortion and shutting down the govt.

I'll say again, in so many words...I haven't the slightest idea why anyone would vote repub.

Wow. I don't see how it fits into extortion... anymore than mandating citizens to purchase goods or services. With that said, they werent asking for it to be gone, just equality. You know like the mandate pushed out for one year, like Obamas big business donators get???

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The tea party shows just how badly, voting out the incumbants works
what a huge clusterfuck that was.
Vote out the arseholes and you get even bigger arseholes with even worse reality issues than lifetime pols.

i dont have the answer, and even tho I would love to see most governments(UK US and Canada) run by people who have the interest of the people at heart, not just big money, I dont see it happening in my lifetime. Money is all.
people suffering, not so much

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ORIGINAL: DsBound

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

That depends. If they run Clinton it will be because the idea of her as president makes me want to throw up. I would stay home before I would vote for her.

Then you have the fact that the left is just as bad as the right and the same question could be asked "why would anybody vote democrat"?

The fact really is, the left or dems, are much better for the economy than the repubs. Dems good for the economy, repubs bad for the economy. Read it again if you have to.

Oh, and after you are done vomiting because of another Clinton as pres....you'll be richer than you were under a repub.

Id have to agree, Hillary would be horrible. What exactly has she done? Natta. She had several opportunities to prove herself and we got "what difference does it make".

Moving forward, I'd ask simply... why would you vote for either? They are both the government party and are so similar, it leaves many of us with no option. I suggest seriously looking at independents, libertarians candidates the next go round! We've been with GP long enough and seewhere thats gotten us.

The problem is Democrats dont care who it is, as long as theres a D in front of their name, just like neocons vote for anyone who is planning to police the world.

Of course on economic grounds, I cannot agree. The repubs try to enact ideology, and that serves the few in the upper stratosphere of society while the dems are pragmatic, i.e, use basic logic. It was dems over every possible repub vote that produced more growth and generated less debt doing it...period.

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ORIGINAL: DsBound

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: DOM68005

People in power just don't want to remember history. Lincoln's Republicans were breakaway Democrats.
Nixon as a Republican like the Democrats before him believed the Government could do no wrong.
In that era, the Democrats held such power, they had to have runoff elections to see whose name to put on the primary and runoff ballots. Some Democrats became so unhappy, just broke away and took over the Republican party in the Dixie south and Texas after Kennedy was elected.
Regan ... A lifelong Democrat and union leader jumped ship when some spineless Republicans were so determined to brand the White House with the big R, they put his face forward. Regan was a paid actor and not much use.
The Bush family may have been Texas Republicans, but many of the acts blamed on them were foisted on the country by the Democrats in Congress with their help.

My point is simple, you can't blame one side for the SNAFU way this country is operating when the powers that be are spending all their resources shining a bad light on their opponents rather than working on the country's needs.
Both sides from the long term perspective are so concerned about buying votes, so called conservatives are just trying to preserve standards of the Democrats of the mid-1900s.

When I see a ballot, most of the possible candidates are standing on Democrat principles Finding a valid Republican is like trying to find a brand new Hudson. They don't make them any more.

Oh yes I can blame one side when it obvious after their policies and numbers what those policies produced vis-a-vis debt and the economy. Funny how dems could 'foist' things on Bush but now the repubs aren't 'foisting' things on Obama.

Dems did whatever they did and Bush I signed on, with votes but the repubs now can't get the votes so refuse to raise the debt limit as they have 23 time in 33 years to date since Reagan and need to resort to extortion and shutting down the govt.

I'll say again, in so many words...I haven't the slightest idea why anyone would vote repub.

Wow. I don't see how it fits into extortion... anymore than mandating citizens to purchase goods or services. With that said, they werent asking for it to be gone, just equality. You know like the mandate pushed out for one year, like Obamas big business donators get???

The repubs don't have the votes period. So if they are a patriot American, patriots don't use the extortion of default and shut down the govt, like the petty little power barons the repubs are, to get your way...without those votes.

The mandate if one has been paying attention, was upheld by the courts. That ends any battle over it being law. They are sworn to uphold the laws of the country. Now it is time to raise the debt limit as I've said like they did when it suited them 23 times since 81 and come back and try to get the votes.

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ORIGINAL: joey46

This all reminds me of an argument between the school district and the city council in a little town where I was living over who should prune the trees around the edge of the grade school playground. Both sides were determined that the trees belonged to other other and that it was the other's responsibility. Finally, a man stood up in the audience and said, "You seem to be forgetting that for us residents and tax payers no matter where the trees are, they are our trees."

Given that in most elections nearly half of the people voted for the losing side whichever way it goes, it seems odd that we have so much trouble remembering that we are never going to completely agree on what is best, but that our challenges aren't going to go away while we try to pass blame back and forth. In the end " . . . they are our trees."

There are big questions about what really works, what the risks are, what's fair, what's right, what kind of country we want to live in, etc. on which I suspect even the most conservative and the most liberal ends of the spectrum are more in agreement than either seems to want to admit. Afterall, you get votes by scaring people about what the other guy is going to do and promising to protect them from it.

Of course, how we get there remains a "knock down drag out western style battle" as Snaggletooth used to say, but that's how the best solutions happen in my experience, not by hating each other.

Right now it feels a lot like siblings at war over who hit first. Too bad we can't all just take a time out, calm down, and get our eyes back on the complex problems that face all of us.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

A better question, why the fuck would anyone vote for anyone from either party? Both sides are doing a great job of fucking things up.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

A better question, why the fuck would anyone vote for anyone from either party? Both sides are doing a great job of fucking things up.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

A better question, why the fuck would anyone vote for anyone from either party? Both sides are doing a great job of fucking things up.

Fully agree! There is no lesser of two evils here.

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ORIGINAL: DsBound

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

A better question, why the fuck would anyone vote for anyone from either party? Both sides are doing a great job of fucking things up.

Fully agree! There is no lesser of two evils here.

BULLSHIT

One party has twice tried coup by impeachment
One party has put us deeply into debt and then tried to use that debt as an excuse to dismantle the successful parts of government
One party has catered to the worst of us to win elections
One party sent thousands of our sons and daughters off to die and be maimed based around a lie and then enriched their friends by "privatizing" kp
One party has refused to write a budget and refused to implement the simple measures need to keep government functioning
One party is playing games with the full faith and credit of the US and endangering the entire world's economy
One party permanently soiled our reputation by engaging in torture
One party has tried to destroy the government in order to prevent millions of Americans from getting health care

And that party is the Republican Party. You may dislike the Democrats but you cannot argue that they've done anything remotely like that.