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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 12:06:54 PM

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Hey, deadline is DECEMBER 15. Get back to us in a month if after putting on your big-girl-panties and actually putting in some effort you can't sign up, then call the 800 number on the website for help.

Otherwise, we have to move forward and get this immigration reform taken care of - since Obama managed all that bipartisanship and stuff with 87 republicans crossing the aisle to help Pelosi.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 1:17:07 PM

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Oh I don't know. What do you suppose enrollments are up to? 75K?

I would *hardly* call that ahem.. working. Since you know its supposed to get 30 million people insurance (without making anyone drop it). Oh thats right.. Kaiser lowered the expectation to 24.

Oh wait.. thats right .. they changed that to 7 million this year - or 1.16 million a month or.. 250 thousand a week. We're 20 days into it - call it 3 weeks. We should have 750,000 enrollments. We have 75K, maybe?

See, we have different concepts of work. In the government 10% score might be considered "work". In the private sector we consider that complete and utter failure.

Based on the numbers released signups are over 1 million people. So it looks to be on the curve. Also the reason the numbers got reduced is because Republican dominated states refused to expand Medicaid. Now why not address that fact?

Where are you seeing actual numbers of people who have offically signed up for medical coverage? Ive seen numbers for people who have registered with the site, but not for people who have actually finished the process. Big difference between the two.

Many states have released numbers of actual policies applied for.

Right. And I've yet to see a state that has more than 35,000. California. But my statistics are a week old, so I'm curious where your stats are, with the evidence of *one million* signups.

Edit:
Oh: That's right - you mean people that have signed up to apply. See, I meant actually, you know, buying insurance.
And of course, once again my numbers are correct. The latest released figures that I have seen anywhere are.... 35000.
And since they are a bit old probably a tad higher.

Stunning success. Way to go, old chaps.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 1:19:06 PM

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The number of back end requests to a single data source is, in itself, no big deal.
But thats not whats going on. There are multiple reports that data formatting between the front end and the various backends are incompatible, requiring multiple transformations. Multiple formats, multiple backends, multiple vendors.

By the way.. you had said earlier that you were confident that the kinds would be worked out in a couple of days. Clearly that hasn't happened.

You do know there is a shutdown limiting who can work on fixing the problems right?

That's actually a lie. Funding for implementation was already approved. Supplemental funding when they ran over budget (WAY over budget) the dems grabbed from other sources - also already allocated.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 1:26:41 PM

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LOL, everyone knows your history, that is a lie, you haven't any credible citation of that. Remember how you were the one who said some canadian company coded it? Now you are assuming we didnt see that or we have memories like nutsackers?

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 1:50:14 PM

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LOL, everyone knows your history, that is a lie, you haven't any credible citation of that. Remember how you were the one who said some canadian company coded it? Now you are assuming we didnt see that or we have memories like nutsackers?

Excuse me? Cite me, please because I never made any claim of the kind. Your fantasies are mixed up again.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 2:13:53 PM

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Right. And I've yet to see a state that has more than 35,000. California. But my statistics are a week old, so I'm curious where your stats are, with the evidence of *one million* signups.

Edit:
Oh: That's right - you mean people that have signed up to apply. See, I meant actually, you know, buying insurance.
And of course, once again my numbers are correct. The latest released figures that I have seen anywhere are.... 35000.
And since they are a bit old probably a tad higher.

Stunning success. Way to go, old chaps.

For only a week in
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101096445
that's more than 70k applications processed in only 3 states. Add in more recent reports including the more than tripling of California's reported numbers and it becomes clear that many hundreds of thousands of people, at least, have signed up for health insurance through the exchanges. A major success despite your lies.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 2:48:21 PM

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LOL, everyone knows your history, that is a lie, you haven't any credible citation of that. Remember how you were the one who said some canadian company coded it? Now you are assuming we didnt see that or we have memories like nutsackers?

Excuse me? Cite me, please because I never made any claim of the kind. Your fantasies are mixed up again.

see post 43 for one of your many lies. You know we can see the stupid shit you type here don't you?

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 3:40:34 PM

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As expected - not a site about a Canadian company doing the website.

Wrong, again. Bad Troll!

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 3:45:01 PM

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I know you're desperate to avoid talking about Ocare..
But the latest figures from Advisory board says....... 41,000 people signed up.

They've posted a lot of statistics like these:

Maryland is among the states making public the most up-to-date numbers. The state reported Friday that its website has had 217,091 unique visitors, 25,781 verified accounts created and 1,121 enrollees.

Colorado officials reported 162,941 unique visitors to the state-run site in the first two days, including 18,174 people creating accounts.

Officials did not respond to requests for more updated information, and to verify a news report that just 226 people bought health plans.

Like I said earlier. When all is said and done this year, **fewer** people will have health insurance. Count on it.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 4:09:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Right. And I've yet to see a state that has more than 35,000. California. But my statistics are a week old, so I'm curious where your stats are, with the evidence of *one million* signups.

Edit:
Oh: That's right - you mean people that have signed up to apply. See, I meant actually, you know, buying insurance.
And of course, once again my numbers are correct. The latest released figures that I have seen anywhere are.... 35000.
And since they are a bit old probably a tad higher.

Stunning success. Way to go, old chaps.

For only a week in
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101096445
that's more than 70k applications processed in only 3 states. Add in more recent reports including the more than tripling of California's reported numbers and it becomes clear that many hundreds of thousands of people, at least, have signed up for health insurance through the exchanges. A major success despite your lies.

These statistics brought to you by Democrat Talking points inc.

However, lets dig into your report a little, shall we?

New York - 40,000 applications. No stats on enrollments.
California - 16,311 applications. No stats on enrollments.
Washington - 9,452 people enrolled. Sounds great, doesn't it? Till you read that 8500 are covered by Medicaid. You know. the same group that would have covered them if they hadn't have enrolled..... 916 .. real policies.
Connecticut 1,426 applications. No stats on enrollments.
Maryland: Hey: a stat!.. 326 people enrolled.

Snicker. If I were you I'd keep doing what Obama is doing and stop talking about it.

So - your own source says that 1,242 people purchased private insurance - and you claim that is .. what were the words, oh, yes,
"a major success".

Seems to me that since the goal was 30 million oops 24 million oops 7 million - and your source claims - 1,242. That's one "major" success down - and 7,000 "major successes to go".

LOLOLOL

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 4:29:44 PM

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For states running their own exchanges and reporting signups the total, excluding Medicaid signups, is 303,292 in 2 weeks.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AheStIw2-5S0dGkwbEJTalVNcERJQjBlWUcxbFp6M3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
(spreadsheet includes links to sources of all amounts)

So yes, a major success!

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 6:54:34 PM

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I'm sure this is somebody else's fault too

Obamacare Website Violates Licensing Agreement for Copyrighted Software

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 9:36:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

For states running their own exchanges and reporting signups the total, excluding Medicaid signups, is 303,292 in 2 weeks.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AheStIw2-5S0dGkwbEJTalVNcERJQjBlWUcxbFp6M3c&usp=sharing#gid=0
(spreadsheet includes links to sources of all amounts)

So yes, a major success!

Snicker .. you should have quit while you were ahead.

So what shall we debunk first. OH! I know. How about we start with California. You know - the source of almost half of your "signups"

So what do I see - well for one - 94000 is the number of *partial* applications. Not signups. I'm sure you knew that. Spin little spider, spin!
Hmm.. what else do I see. Well, for one - the source article says nothing about "excluding Medicaid signups". Dizzy yet spider?
How many actual enrollments.. for all those "signups". Not one source that says more than my originally quote source & number.

Spider - you are so good at making up things whole cloth!

So lets turn our eyes to the next bastion of enrollment. New York. Your claim: 100,000 enrollments. The truth little spider?
That number isn't signups. It isn't enrollments. Its the number of people who have qualified. Well what does that mean? Well little spider, it means that they live in new York and are American citizens. Doesn't that make you feel grand? YAH Obama care. We now know there are 100,000 people eligible for healthcare in New York.

Well, yes spider - of course we already knew that, didn't we....

Oh spider, I only have time for one more.. So, lets take a look at Washington spider, shall we? You know, the source of 68000 signups according to you.
But, funnily enough your source doesn't say the same thing spider. It must be very dizzying spinning around like that all day.

What does the article actually say..? Well spider, it actually says (and I'll quote it for you)

"The great majority of enrollees are currently or newly Medicaid eligible. In all, 24,949 have completed enrollments, including 3,084 in private insurance plans, 8,495 in immediate Medicaid coverage, and 13,370 in expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. "

3, 084 paying insurance people. Amazing, isn't it spider!

Why at this rate - I expect we'll catch up to the number of people that lost heath insurance from Home Depot by the end of the month!
Or - another way to look at it... By the end of *NEXT* month - we might have actually signed up one person for EVERY navigator hired!
Whats that spider? Why haven't the navigator's signed up? I don't know spider. Why haven't the Navigator organizations provided healthcare?
Spider.. those are really simple and clear questions. I don't know why most of the Navigator organizations aren't providing health care benefits...

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 9:54:04 PM

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I'm sure this is somebody else's fault too

Obamacare Website Violates Licensing Agreement for Copyrighted Software

Oh, FatDaddy!

Everyone knows that's because some contractor went out, grabbed the code and then passed it off as his own. And charged hundreds of dollars per hour to do this.
Of course, all of that will get whitewashed by the powers that be. A few hundred thousands of dollars is nothing compared to political embarrassment!

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/17/2013 11:36:47 PM

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Spider wants *MORE* abuse? Oh silly spider. There are hundreds of news articles for you:

How about this one: http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/17/the-obamacare-rollout-disaster/1

"Initially, the administration pinned problems with an unexpected amount of traffic. “These bugs were functions of volume," White House technology adviser Todd Park told USA Today. “Take away the volume and it works.”

That excuse no longer holds up. The volume’s gone, and the website still doesn’t work. Web traffic to HealthCare.gov dropped 88 percent from October 1, the day the exchanges opened, to October 13, according to data released this week by Kantar US Insights. Yet despite plummeting traffic, many users remained unable to even create the accounts necessary to begin the application process."

Traffic down 88% spider. And it still doesn't work.

"The insurance industry is sounding the alarm too. Cigna has told brokers in the four federal exchange states it’s selling policies not to even attempt to sell subsidized insurance before next month. There are multiple reports of serious problems with the industry end of the exchange tech, with the system relaying multiple enrollment and unenrollment notices for the same individual—and without the timestamps that might help insurers understand which action was the user's final one."

Spider - when is an enrollment not an enrollment?
When its two enrollments. Or five. Or - maybe its an unenrollment. Spider - this new math is very strange! If 25000 people sign up for health insurance 3 times - that's 75,000 enrollments! Oh I get it. The democrats thought to model insurance after get out the vote efforts. You know, insure early, insure often.

Still, it doesn't sound like a very good idea to me spider.

"The CEO of Aetna, meanwhile, told CNBC that testing of the system has been done on the fly, and that health insurers—who are connected directly to the exchange systems—didn’t get the code to connect their systems until a month before the exchanges opened. He predicted that it could be three years until all the problems are solved."

What do we need to do to make the code work? Oh spider.. we just say "failure is not an option" - and click our heels together three times. And go on the Today show and say of course it will work. More than one month? Oh spider. How silly. Since we can dictate how fast innovation occurs, why would we need more than a month? Three years? Spider, what would a CEO of an insurance company know? I mean, they've only been selling insurance eleventy eleven years.

Oh Spider - of course its all the contractors fault! We're the people that can heal the earth, stop the seas from rising - and win the Nobel Peace Prize simply by farting!

"Three years! The administration already had three years to build the system. They failed—in part because they dragged their feet on the process to begin with. Deadlines for key regulations—rules that were essential to creation and design of the exchange—were consistently late. As early as the summer of 2010, HHS had already missed multiple implementation deadlines. Warnings about regulatory holdups persisted through November 2012 as the administration delayed the release of yet more rules required to keep the exchange process on track.

Delay after delay piled up. And the system’s most technologically challenging component sat not just unfinished but essentially unstarted for more than a year after the contract to build it was awarded. CGI Federal was awarded a $94 million contract to build the data hub and back end of the federal exchanges in December of 2011, but did not even begin to write code until spring of 2013, according to The New York Times."

Oh spider. You're right. I forgot how wonderful Obamacare is. And how much I love it. I hope our savior tackles immigration reform next!

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 12:36:24 AM

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Can the government which issues copyright, be required to license anything? How about "If we can't use if FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD, no fucking copyright for you..."

After all, isn't the CONSTITUITIONAL basis 'promoting the progress of science and useful arts". So, right there is the 'penumbra' of "General Welfare".

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 12:42:57 AM

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"Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer."

Since you don't have the source code, you can't say they have violated this requirement, can you?

"Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution."

Again, sicne you don't have a BINARY redistribution either, you don't have the ability to determine that the documentation isn't compliant.

PROTIP: If you don't pass it around, you are pretty much in compliance with all true open-source licenses.

N.B.: the idea that they're not stripping comments and minifying their output is the real issue if anything.... But you know, most webservers and broswers are gzipping shit on the fly anyway, so...

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 5:57:02 AM

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This must be Bush's fault....

Obamacare woes widen as insurers get wrong data

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 7:18:02 AM

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Lets be logical. The people who are willing to go all the hassle of long wait times, delays, etc., to sign up, are probably the people DESPARATE to get health care insurance. You know, the people with bad health and pre-existing conditions. These people probably number in the millions. These are a drag on the system. Until we get LARGE numbers of YOUNG and Healthy to sign up, it finiancially won't work.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 7:29:31 AM

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how fucking dare they want healthcare, the bastards.....

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