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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 7:36:09 AM   
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This must be Bush's fault....
Obamacare woes widen as insurers get wrong data


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    Emerging errors include duplicate enrollments, spouses reported as children, missing data fields and suspect eligibility determinations, say executives at more than a dozen health plans. Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Nebraska said it had to hire temporary workers to contact new customers directly to resolve inaccuracies in submissions.


Holy Fuck!!! Obamacare is also a jobs bill!!!

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 9:58:09 AM   
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Lets be logical. The people who are willing to go all the hassle of long wait times, delays, etc., to sign up, are probably the people DESPARATE to get health care insurance. You know, the people with bad health and pre-existing conditions. These people probably number in the millions. These are a drag on the system. Until we get LARGE numbers of YOUNG and Healthy to sign up, it finiancially won't work.


Well, that sounds very logical spider. Except, why would go through all that work to sign up when they can get exactly the same care for free, without signing up?

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:07:17 AM   
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So you are all pissed off that 300,000 people are somewhere along the process of getting health insurance. Why do you feel that way? Does the fact that people you consider less worthy of good health are about to be able to get health care? Or are just a hyper partisan who cannot accept the idea that people in this country don't agree with the stupid libertarian bullshit you worship?

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:22:21 AM   
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<deleted lies, bile and insults>

So you are all pissed off that 300,000 people are somewhere along the process of getting health insurance. Why do you feel that way? Does the fact that people you consider less worthy of good health are about to be able to get health care? Or are just a hyper partisan who cannot accept the idea that people in this country don't agree with the stupid libertarian bullshit you worship?



LOL.. that's the closest thing you ever get to admitting you were wrong.... changing the subject.

First it was 1,000,000 enrollments.. then 350,0000... LOL.. when its actually 46,0000 change the subject. Its not about me. DK.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:27:25 AM   
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<deleted lies, bile and insults>

So you are all pissed off that 300,000 people are somewhere along the process of getting health insurance. Why do you feel that way? Does the fact that people you consider less worthy of good health are about to be able to get health care? Or are just a hyper partisan who cannot accept the idea that people in this country don't agree with the stupid libertarian bullshit you worship?



LOL.. that's the closest thing you ever get to admitting you were wrong.... changing the subject.

First it was 1,000,000 enrollments.. then 350,0000... LOL.. when its actually 46,0000 change the subject. Its not about me. DK.

Wrong and stop telling lies. I said 1 million was the extrapolation and your 46k claim is bullshit. I presented the data showing it is in excess of 300k and you had a hissy fit.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:35:39 AM   
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<deleted lies, bile and insults>

So you are all pissed off that 300,000 people are somewhere along the process of getting health insurance. Why do you feel that way? Does the fact that people you consider less worthy of good health are about to be able to get health care? Or are just a hyper partisan who cannot accept the idea that people in this country don't agree with the stupid libertarian bullshit you worship?


You still don't get it.

Pissed off - absolutely. That people will get health care? Uh - NO.

Pissed off that millions of people will lose health care because of a stupid policy? yes.
Pissed off that the dimocrats once more are replacing a private enterprise system with government beaurocracy that doesn't work- yes
Pissed off that we will flush 1.7 trillion dollars down the drain for less health care? Yes.
Pissed off that the law is violated time and time again? Absolutely
Pissed off that about waivers to democrat cronies? Damn Straight.
Pissed off that we pulled 500 billion out of medicare for this crap? Damn straight.
Pissed off about the lies, deceit and corruption. Right again.

Here's a news flash for you DK. If the goal was just giving medical care to people, we could have just expanded medicare coverage and not set up 169 government bodies - and gotten better coverage for less.

Lets do some math here shall we? Lets say obamacare gets 1,000,000 people on insurance plans. (non medicare). It won't, but, lets pretend.
Lets suppose that every single one of them requires 10K of care per person. TEN Billion dollars.

Yet we pulled $500 Billion to pay for it already. 500 billion + for 10 billion in medicine. Brilliant.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:43:33 AM   
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<deleted lies, bile and insults>

So you are all pissed off that 300,000 people are somewhere along the process of getting health insurance. Why do you feel that way? Does the fact that people you consider less worthy of good health are about to be able to get health care? Or are just a hyper partisan who cannot accept the idea that people in this country don't agree with the stupid libertarian bullshit you worship?



LOL.. that's the closest thing you ever get to admitting you were wrong.... changing the subject.

First it was 1,000,000 enrollments.. then 350,0000... LOL.. when its actually 46,0000 change the subject. Its not about me. DK.

Wrong and stop telling lies. I said 1 million was the extrapolation and your 46k claim is bullshit. I presented the data showing it is in excess of 300k and you had a hissy fit.



Ah speaking of lies: here's what you actually said:
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Based on the numbers released signups are over 1 million people.




You presented evidence that people had abandoned applications in California. Not a SINGLE bit of evidence to support an enrollment figure. And certainly not a million enrollments.

But the good news, for me, is you'll keep talking about it. And it keep the obamacare disaster fresh in everyone's mind. Republicans will be happy to run on the issue of obamacare.

Wanna bet democrats won't?

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:55:27 AM   
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I think you think that is gonna go real well for the nutsackers.

Maybe they can get the convict Issa to do his usual sham congressional investigation. That will be a fucking laugh.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 12:10:18 PM   
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Democrats will be happy to have the nutsackers run on obamacare, how they couldnt repeal it after 42 times and how much money that cost, and how they shut down the government and how much money that cost, and how they are borrowing and spending.

I think you think that is gonna go real well for the nutsackers.

Maybe they can get the convict Issa to do his usual sham congressional investigation. That will be a fucking laugh.


The joke is, with the site running as poorly as it is, BO will end up pushing mandate out a year anyway. Lol. Repubs shouldve just sat back and let nature take its course.... since obviously they didn't shut down government to push for cuts of any kind.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 4:13:11 PM   
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Sure. The fact that the GOP idiots denied funding for the setup of the site had nothing to do with it.


Funding was intact (hence, why the site existed).

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 4:39:51 PM   
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Ah speaking of lies: here's what you actually said:
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Based on the numbers released signups are over 1 million people.




You presented evidence that people had abandoned applications in California. Not a SINGLE bit of evidence to support an enrollment figure. And certainly not a million enrollments.

But the good news, for me, is you'll keep talking about it. And it keep the obamacare disaster fresh in everyone's mind. Republicans will be happy to run on the issue of obamacare.

Wanna bet democrats won't?

Another lie..

Maybe you don't understand extrapolation from a not complete data set or you simply lied..

As to California, your claim is that all 90000+ applicants failed to actually get insurance and will never ever complete the process? Is that really what you're trying to claim?

As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 4:41:40 PM   
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Pissed off that we pulled 500 billion out of medicare for this crap? Damn straight.

That lie again?

I'm actually on Medicare, nothing bad has happened due to those price controls. Some scam artists have gone out of business that is all.

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Here's a news flash for you DK. If the goal was just giving medical care to people, we could have just expanded medicare coverage and not set up 169 government bodies - and gotten better coverage for less.

And that would actually be socialized medicine and the lying scum cons would have behaved even worse over that. BTW the ACA is a con plan that cons used to love. Only now that a Democrat actually did it is it a terrible bad thing.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:32:58 PM   
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Ah speaking of lies: here's what you actually said:
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Based on the numbers released signups are over 1 million people.




You presented evidence that people had abandoned applications in California. Not a SINGLE bit of evidence to support an enrollment figure. And certainly not a million enrollments.

But the good news, for me, is you'll keep talking about it. And it keep the obamacare disaster fresh in everyone's mind. Republicans will be happy to run on the issue of obamacare.

Wanna bet democrats won't?

Another lie..

Maybe you don't understand extrapolation from a not complete data set or you simply lied..

As to California, your claim is that all 90000+ applicants failed to actually get insurance and will never ever complete the process? Is that really what you're trying to claim?

As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.



Again, a deliberate misrepresentation.

ITS YOUR SOURCE. TRY READING IT.

It actually says, quite clearly. California's number a round 30K of completed applications - and 64000 PARTIAL applications.

I mean - holy fuck.

It isn't enrollments. It isn't even - hey I filled out an application.
Its - I filled out a partial application. Thats like leaving a shopping cart at a website.

And for the record - it is certainly possible they will later go on to fill out an application. 5% or 10% might even get insurance. 3% of them might be something besides medicare.

However, with the current status of the ACA - there is likely a huge number of these that were applications that were abandoned due to glitches. Abandoned due to duplicate entries. Abandoned due to sticker shock.

What is 100% for sure known - is they aren't enrollments.

Heres the real test: Quote it to me where your source says as of Oct 17 where california has 94000 people purchasing healthcare.

You cant.


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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/18/2013 11:38:31 PM   
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Pissed off that we pulled 500 billion out of medicare for this crap? Damn straight.

That lie again?

I'm actually on Medicare, nothing bad has happened due to those price controls. Some scam artists have gone out of business that is all.

quote:

Here's a news flash for you DK. If the goal was just giving medical care to people, we could have just expanded medicare coverage and not set up 169 government bodies - and gotten better coverage for less.

And that would actually be socialized medicine and the lying scum cons would have behaved even worse over that. BTW the ACA is a con plan that cons used to love. Only now that a Democrat actually did it is it a terrible bad thing.


I'm not going to debate established facts with you. ACA did pull 500 billion dollars out of Medicare. Go snopes or CBO. And it has nothing to do with price controls, FYI.

I don't give a rats ass about the provenance of the ACA. It was a terrible idea if republicans thought about it. Its a terrible when the democrats implimented it.

As for socialized medicine yada yada yada:

We already HAVE medicare. All Im saying is we could have dumped 30 million people into medicare at FAR less cost than Obamacare.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/19/2013 5:57:39 AM   
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As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.


From what I have read on these boards the majority of the poor is already voting for the left. So you might pick up a few more votes from those who were on the right but now have insurance and are happy with it. Of course that is only if their main concern was health care and they are willing to ignore other issues. Then you have all the ones who already have a health plan but the government doesn't think it's good enough. This is going to cost them more money and which side do you think they will blame for that? And I love how you tacked "angry white rural southerners" at the end. You probably don't realize it, but that tells me more about you than anything else you posted.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/19/2013 7:16:20 AM   
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Pissed off that we pulled 500 billion out of medicare for this crap? Damn straight.

That lie again?

I'm actually on Medicare, nothing bad has happened due to those price controls. Some scam artists have gone out of business that is all.

quote:

Here's a news flash for you DK. If the goal was just giving medical care to people, we could have just expanded medicare coverage and not set up 169 government bodies - and gotten better coverage for less.

And that would actually be socialized medicine and the lying scum cons would have behaved even worse over that. BTW the ACA is a con plan that cons used to love. Only now that a Democrat actually did it is it a terrible bad thing.


I'm not going to debate established facts with you. ACA did pull 500 billion dollars out of Medicare. Go snopes or CBO. And it has nothing to do with price controls, FYI.

Lie. it actually is 700 odd billion over a decade and it is the exact same amount Paul Ryan's budget would take out of Medicare. That's because some one figured out there was that much waste in Medicare and that cost controls could be implemented to save it. No one on Medicare has had to do more than find a new supplier for medical supplies, like test strips. No doctor I've ever been referred to has refused to take Medicare, and I see a lengthy list of specialists.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/19/2013 7:18:31 AM   
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As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.


From what I have read on these boards the majority of the poor is already voting for the left. So you might pick up a few more votes from those who were on the right but now have insurance and are happy with it. Of course that is only if their main concern was health care and they are willing to ignore other issues. Then you have all the ones who already have a health plan but the government doesn't think it's good enough. This is going to cost them more money and which side do you think they will blame for that? And I love how you tacked "angry white rural southerners" at the end. You probably don't realize it, but that tells me more about you than anything else you posted.

It's sort of funny that you think only the poor don't have health insurance.

Angry white rural southerners are the core of the Republican base. Go look at election results or polling on where the most self identified Republicans are or any other data source on the matter.

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/19/2013 8:50:24 AM   
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From what I have read on these boards the majority of the poor is already voting for the left.



And getting free health care....

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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/19/2013 8:58:38 AM   
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RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes - 10/19/2013 9:06:43 AM   
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Liberal columnist (currently of the starving artist variety, since he refuses to tongue Obama's balls) Ted Rall has been trying to sign up for Obamacare. His last three columns have all been devoted to that failed mission. They can all be found at his website, along with pleas for money.

http://www.tedrall.com/


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