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DesideriScuri -> RE: The Gentleman President (10/24/2013 1:15:57 PM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
That's a really pathetic strawman argument, Polite.
Really? Is it more pathetic than calling a woman who fell ill a prop ?.... Are you suggesting any president giving some kind of speech has never done so with an audience, or before his supporters.
No Rich, like it or not the real strawman was labeling the poor woman a prop.
It has been shown before that Obama has had questions staged, and wasn't truly fielding questions the asker came up with. That is, everything was planned in advance. The video Yachtie linked to sure makes it look as if it was a bit planned. While I'm not saying it was definitely planned and that the pregnant lady was planted their as a prop, I'm also not naive enough to think that a situation came up that was used for political gain.
Unfortunately even without an ounce of evidence, your STILL making the leap of logic to accuse the President of some sort of wrong doing. Not one conservative has been able to dislodge the evidence to....WHY....she might have fainted: being pregnant and a type 1 diabetic. Yes, rather than go with the evidence on the table, you wish to make up mighty bullshit arguments based on....NOTHING. There is nothing to entertain here that the situation was anything but it was. Again, why is it conservatives can not accept the President is a decent guy, and does the gentleman thing to help the lady out in a time of need.
Not an ounce of evidence? There's circumstantial evidence in Yachtie's video. Now, I want you to read the the part I put in bold that I wrote before and you even quoted...
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
She was swaying before anything happened, as Joether pointed out. The young lady did help as the pregnant woman was swaying, as you'd expect. Obama seemed to turn around just a bit early to be a reaction to her faint. He puts a hand on her shoulder, then turns back to the microphone to make a joke (this is what happens when I talk too much [paraphrased]) and then turns back to the woman. Once Obama turned to the pregnant woman (her legs buckle), the lady that had her arm around her made no motion to help. That's a bit conspicuous.
Actually, DS, that's called poor reflexes. Notice in the video the man standing directly behind the woman in question placed both of his hands on her shoulders and braced her as she was wobbling backwards. On an the man on her immediate left whom also helped brace her more directly?
Sure did. Yet, the woman with her hand around the woman's back, who was also holding her hand, had no reaction when the lady fell? I had a pet rock with better reflexes.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
It's entirely possible the event went as reported by the media. It's also possible the event was staged. I don't believe either is completely accurate. I do believe the action wasn't pre-planned, but was used as a tool by the President.
NO. There is NO EVIDENCE that this could have been staged. That's the point! You of all people, can not accept the idea that what happened, happened on its own without planning. The President made a joke to deflect possible dishonor to the lady in question; THAT'S WHAT A GENTLEMAN DOES, boys. Yes, I call you all boys, since anyone that has been a gentleman to a lady could tell the difference. In order to be a gentleman, one has to be both male and adult. All these accusations are junior high school material! Smart people, believe or not DS, can make jokes on the spur of the moment. Notice at the end of the video of mine what the press core does? They clap their hands in approval.
A gentleman just might, perhaps maybe, make sure the lady is okay before going back to the mic and making a joke. I didn't have a problem with the joke. It was humorous. The timing, though, is suspect.
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I'm also not so naive to think that President Obama is the first President to use such tactics. I have not seen evidence of any other President doing so. Nor, have I heard any claims that happened. I take anything with a skeptical view to start anymore (since 2005/6).
2001, New York, New York, Mid-September. For any American, they know what this time frame represents. Then, President George W. Bush stood with several firefighters and other emergency workers with a bullhorn an gave a speech. [paraphrasing here] "I heard you" The President says looking towards someone off camera, "And when we learn who did this, they will hear from us too!". Could this all have been staged? I have no EVIDENCE that it was staged. President G. W. Bush was guilty of a huge number of misdeeds during his two terms in office. This one moment of his role as President is not one of them. What is the difference? There are multitude of videos over on youtube.com of the President and many of his cabinet stating Iraq had massive stockpiles of WMDs, and later stating they never said anything like that. That is both history and.....EVIDENCE.
Here is the actual video of what I'm talking about. What is it the President Bush does at the 8 second mark? Is that...*GASP*....a JOKE? On Hallowed ground!?!?!?!? If we were to insert 'conservative logic' here, George W. Bush had staged this whole thing. Go ahead and try to bullshit your way out that you wouldn't have done this, if he WASNT supported by conservatives. This is just one more piece of evidence that President Obama did things honorably and nobly towards someone else, and EVERYTHING is above board and honest here.
So here is the question: Why is it conservatives are totally, absolutely incapable of congratulating the President on doing the right thing at the right time and in the right place?
Please note my response to Owner here, and my post here.
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