Moonhead
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Can I block people...... I've asked this before.
This is hardly about Merkel, BND, GHCQ, ASIS or ANSSI. Someone who understands how to handle a scandal breaks it into smaller pieces, suggests everyone does it (diffusion of responsibility) then attempts to isolate and demonize the parties responsible for the scandal. I am sure everyone understands there is more to it. But, I am confident you comprehend that is how it works. Which is exactly what we are seeing being done here (on this forum by 4-5 people) every time a point is brought up.
We have had almost 6 solid months which have been the polar opposite of every leak which has happened in the USA considering every political niche. Aside from those months we have had tens / hundreds of thousands of documents leaked by the more standard methods over the last several decades. ALL must be considered now. Typically leaks happen - the information is dumped and and damage control in general begins (As described above.) These recent leaks are being released in a manner which is impossible to contain by standard methods and threats (terrorists will get you, righteous Americans might die). This data has been released in a in a well planned and strategic fashion - slow and methodical. All evidence indicates those in control of the documents which were taken with the public's best interest in mind... Greenwald and others still have over 10,000 documents to release. GCHQ said in court Greenwald had over 50k I believe, though he denied that. To argue one point (Merkel, Prism, Ocean, Trafficthief, Upstream, Xkeyscore) or a single aspect. Without considering the whole is childish, delusional and typical. I guess it should be expected. As mentioned, it is what a small portion of individuals are doing here. You can count them on one hand.
We have authors of the patriot act, fisc judges, senators, CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, DHS, some of the best security experts in the world (literally), major corporations, judges, dozens in congress (about 1-2 more every other week), human right activists and now 22 nations. ALL who have taken the information as a whole and reached the exact same conclusion. What the NSA is doing and Obamas sponsorship of it is illegal. I get it, it you are a bad ass patriot, some jack ass analysis or currently profit monetarily or otherwise from the USG or US IC. Keith Alexander is now standing down next year.
There is so much to this.......
We just had 3 new prism slides released:
https://twitter.com/koenrh/status/392246811794362368
What about OCEAN? What a creepy program we are learning about there. TAO/SSO in the NSA working with SOD in the DEA and countless others in FLEA (Separation of powers exist how?)
While there are about 150 things we should keep in mind here is a list of 58 documented and referenced things to be concerned with and scared shitless of.
http://www.tedgioia.com/nsa_facts.html
On that level, I wonder if there's much of an overlap between those braying that Merkel is fair game as a potential future enemy of Murica*, and those who were shitting blood over the NSA snooping on people domestically?
*(fuck yeah)
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