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BamaD -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 11:05:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic nope being wrong is what makes someone wrong Yes and he is. Now if you had taken time to read what he said instead of giving a knee jerk reaction to what I said you would see that he was basing his criticism on where I live and that is guess what the U S so yes he was saying I was wrong because I am an American.

Lucylastic -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 11:35:11 AM)
NO, I was responding to a singular statement, not responding to your generalites. Or anyone elses POV. get the sand out, or you will chafe

BamaD -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 11:36:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic NO, I was responding to a singular statement, not responding to your generalites. Or anyone elses POV. get the sand out, or you will chafe Isn't that special

Yachtie -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 12:36:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle You are going to have to explain to me how adding one more gun to the several million already there is going to magically stop his creep re-offending........ It's the owner's first gun? [8\|] Duh!

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 12:59:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Citation please?? And considering we haven't had a 'king' for more than 6 decades, I think you might find that a tad difficult to substatiate. It was provided in a thread months ago, it was absurd, and I am not going to derail the thread by argueing about it. But you thought it was worth quoting it to try to make your point though? And by your own words you thought it was absurd. So why use it and aim it me? More strawman tactics because you have no real answer? quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD And you would only have that opinion if you lived in a country that is prolific with guns. You wouldn't even be thinking along those lines if you lived elsewhere. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So being an American makes me wrong? Did I say that? Nope. Your words, not mine. I'm just pointing out that your PoV is formed, just like mine, in the environment that you grow up in. Our views are diametrically opposed. You assumed that being an American made you wrong, not me. Guilty conscience mayhap? Or perhaps you can see the futility of your arguments. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Having lived in both countries, I know where I feel much safer and not likely to die prematurely. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And you believe that American cops want guns taken away from civilians. Where did I say that? Again, your assumtion for this thread. And yes, I alluded to it in another thread elsewhere because that was what I have been told more than once by cops when I was living over there in NC and FL. And you come from a gun-weilding cop background so I have no doubt all your cop buddies have the same blinkered PoV that you do so there's no point in arguing the case for those that don't feel that way - even those living in the US. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Absurd lap in logic assuming that those women with reason to fear being killed were only killed because they got a gun. THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wasn't my original quote - it came from tj quoting DoJ. tj quoted from the DoJ, you quoted them and your rather warped answer. I quoted both of you and agreed with tj that according to DoJ, just owning a gun would increase your chances of being killed. You disagree with those findings? Fair enough. Care to quote a rebuttal from a legit source for your argument? That DoJ finding isn't rocket science ya know. More guns equates to more deaths. That's pretty simple to understand for most people. It's a viscious circle that needs to be broken, not added to. I AM Thinking. My family is safer here thanks. Have you lived somewhere that isn't a gun culture to make your comparisons? Are YOU thinking? Or do you only have one blinkered PoV that you incessantly put forward as strawmen. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD ...so yes he was saying I was wrong because I am an American. Please quote where I said that rather than twisting the words to your own agenda.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 1:02:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle You are going to have to explain to me how adding one more gun to the several million already there is going to magically stop his creep re-offending........ It's the owner's first gun? [8\|] Duh! Care to answer tweak's question Yachtie?? So.... it's the owners first gun. And....? Your response doesn't answer her question.

Yachtie -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 1:06:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle You are going to have to explain to me how adding one more gun to the several million already there is going to magically stop his creep re-offending........ It's the owner's first gun? [8\|] Duh! Care to answer tweak's question Yachtie?? So.... it's the owners first gun. And....? Your response doesn't answer her question. He/she shoots the fucker. Are you really that dense?

lovmuffin -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 1:12:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomwarf1 Care to answer tweak's question Yachtie?? If you had read the entire thread you would have your answer. Post #32 "One more gun won't stop the creep from reoffending unless of course his would be victim chose to arm herself with that particular gun. If that's the case then it's not magic, it's bullets that will penetrate his skull and blow his brains out. The creep will never reoffend ever again."

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 1:30:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: freedomwarf1 Care to answer tweak's question Yachtie?? If you had read the entire thread you would have your answer. Post #32 "One more gun won't stop the creep from reoffending unless of course his would be victim chose to arm herself with that particular gun. If that's the case then it's not magic, it's bullets that will penetrate his skull and blow his brains out. The creep will never reoffend ever again." I have read the entire thread and poked my nose in too. My PoV is, in most circumstances, your assailant would have the upper hand and you'd be the dead one, not the rapist. Who, incidentally, would get clean away to to rape again as there wouldn't be anyone to ID him. Care to comment? Or do you live inside your comic books and think that by owning a gun means you'll be the hero every time?

TheHeretic -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 1:38:12 PM)
Well, it's confirmed that the demand for firearms is up in that area. Two of the wife's friends from out that way, including a European immigrant lady who has never touched a gun in her life, want me to teach them to use a shotgun.

Aylee -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 1:56:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well, it's confirmed that the demand for firearms is up in that area. Two of the wife's friends from out that way, including a European immigrant lady who has never touched a gun in her life, want me to teach them to use a shotgun. That is great and all Rich, but a little something called, "Situational Awareness" might be a good lesson before marksmanship. There are some other kinds of non-PC things that can be taught and talked about as well to help them keep from becoming victims. I do hope that the shotgun stuff goes well.

TheHeretic -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 2:16:25 PM)
It looks like we'll be making a day of it. I've already lined up another friend to come out, and be a second pair of experienced hands and eyes. Realistically, it's going to be more Shotgun 60, than Shotgun 101. They'll have a little tiny foundation of experience, as they decide if they want to get one.

lovmuffin -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 2:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: freedomwarf1 Care to answer tweak's question Yachtie?? If you had read the entire thread you would have your answer. Post #32 "One more gun won't stop the creep from reoffending unless of course his would be victim chose to arm herself with that particular gun. If that's the case then it's not magic, it's bullets that will penetrate his skull and blow his brains out. The creep will never reoffend ever again." I have read the entire thread and poked my nose in too. My PoV is, in most circumstances, your assailant would have the upper hand and you'd be the dead one, not the rapist. Who, incidentally, would get clean away to to rape again as there wouldn't be anyone to ID him. Care to comment? Or do you live inside your comic books and think that by owning a gun means you'll be the hero every time? I don't live in a comic book LMAO Just the sort of emotional nonsense I would expect from anti gun people. And you are mistaken about assailants having the upper hand. The only way for that to happen is a first time gun owner buys a gun and puts it in a drawer or wherever and never fires or learns to use it. It does happen and if it ever comes down to needing it she might freeze up and get it taken away. With a little range time, at least once, that won't be a problem. The only other problem is waking up with the assailant having the drop on you. No problem there if you lock your doors and windows at night he will make noise and you will awake an retrieve your weapon. At that point, knowing someone is in your house somewhere, the advantage is yours. A yappy dog is even better. String some freakin cans for him to trip over if you have to or whatever. Other security precautions and considerations go hand in hand with having a gun for protection. What's so hard about that ? Would you rather have the means to defend yourself if someone intrudes with the intent to rape or hope he doesn't kill you when he's done ?? How does owning a firearm give an assailant the advantage ? I'm not getting the logic for that.

TheHeretic -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 2:45:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I do hope that the shotgun stuff goes well. It'll be more fun for me, than for those who don't pay attention when I tell them to seat the stock firmly at the shoulder when firing. I refuse to be the slightest bit sympathetic about that bruise. [:D]

thompsonx -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 3:52:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I do hope that the shotgun stuff goes well. It'll be more fun for me, than for those who don't pay attention when I tell them to seat the stock firmly at the shoulder when firing. I refuse to be the slightest bit sympathetic about that bruise. [:D] Your compassion for your "friends" is ....so....friendly[8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 3:56:08 PM)
And you believe that American cops want guns taken away from civilians. American cops are civilians.[8\|]

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 4:09:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin I don't live in a comic book LMAO Just the sort of emotional nonsense I would expect from anti gun people. And you are mistaken about assailants having the upper hand. The only way for that to happen is a first time gun owner buys a gun and puts it in a drawer or wherever and never fires or learns to use it. It does happen and if it ever comes down to needing it she might freeze up and get it taken away. With a little range time, at least once, that won't be a problem. The only other problem is waking up with the assailant having the drop on you. No problem there if you lock your doors and windows at night he will make noise and you will awake an retrieve your weapon. At that point, knowing someone is in your house somewhere, the advantage is yours. A yappy dog is even better. String some freakin cans for him to trip over if you have to or whatever. Other security precautions and considerations go hand in hand with having a gun for protection. What's so hard about that ? Would you rather have the means to defend yourself if someone intrudes with the intent to rape or hope he doesn't kill you when he's done ?? How does owning a firearm give an assailant the advantage ? I'm not getting the logic for that. Maybe you don't read the news or even bothered to properly read my earlier post. We aren't talking about being indoors inside a locked-up house when the assailant tries to break in. A lot of the rapes either happen outside, where your assailant would most certainly have the upper hand (being prepared and doing the stalking etc). Or, indoors where the assailant is known to the victim and again, would have the upper hand in preparedness. So my point is, having a gun really doesn't help most rape victims any more than carrying pepper spray or anything else - which was also tweak's point. And tj pointed out from the DoJ, just by having a gun increases your chances of getting killed. Ergo, getting or having a gun for rape protection is just adding to nightmare rather than finding a cure for it. So your strawman about a very particular incident really pales into insignificance when compared the general problem.

TheHeretic -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 4:15:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Maybe you don't read the news or even bothered to properly read my earlier post. And maybe you didn't bother to read where the thread started. The individual in question likes to rape women in their own homes. He's committed rapes in other places, but that was the method for the majority of his attacks. I have yet to see even one of those opposed to guns come out with an answer for what changes they might wish to make in their household, should a judge decide to put someone like this in next door to them.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 4:20:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 Maybe you don't read the news or even bothered to properly read my earlier post. And maybe you didn't bother to read where the thread started. The individual in question likes to rape women in their own homes. He's committed rapes in other places, but that was the method for the majority of his attacks. I have yet to see even one of those opposed to guns come out with an answer for what changes they might wish to make in their household, should a judge decide to put someone like this in next door to them. And why do you think this monster got away with being a serial rapist for so long?? Because, despite the prolification of guns, he was a lot more prepared and aware than most of his victims. This is exactly my point. Having a gun doesn't give you the upper hand in most situations. So back to an earlier question: how is one more gun going to stop this asshat from re-offending?

Yachtie -> RE: One reason an American might wish to own a gun... (10/27/2013 4:47:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 This is exactly my point. Having a gun doesn't give you the upper hand in most situations. So back to an earlier question: how is one more gun going to stop this asshat from re-offending? What is unknown is whether had one of his victims been armed would the outcome have potential to be different. How can you possibly address that in any other way than admitting to the possibility.

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