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mnottertail -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 8:13:05 AM)

Because of the agreements W had negotiated with Iraq, and nutsackers approved and signed, same reason we couldn't get out of Iraq before we did.



itsSIRtou -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 8:14:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
The so called "tea party" are the extremist of the gop......with no loyalty to fiscal responsibility/making gov. smaller or to our nation`s security.
They are also the bigots, homophobes and the fundies trying to force their republican Jesus down all our throats.....
An example.....


You are pushing Ted Cruz's father as the typical Tea Partyer? That is ridiculous.

Do you have anything to back your accusations that the Tea Party isn't loyal to fiscal responsibility, smaller government, or National Security? Anything, other than spin and rhetoric, that is?




oh, come on DS, considering that the tea party considers anything other than what comes out of their media factory,...... "liberal media" spin and rhetoric (usually called the actual truth....) Anyway..... What would they/you actually listen to?? Really? I'm sorry but my own personal feeling is the tea party overall has been ridiculous for a long time....

Seriously? ....Ted Cruz's father IS a stereotypical member of the tea party..... Oh hey Owner59 ? ...you forgot the "handgun under every pillow" part of their platform too...



DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 8:23:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
The so called "tea party" are the extremist of the gop......with no loyalty to fiscal responsibility/making gov. smaller or to our nation`s security.
They are also the bigots, homophobes and the fundies trying to force their republican Jesus down all our throats.....
An example.....

You are pushing Ted Cruz's father as the typical Tea Partyer? That is ridiculous.
Do you have anything to back your accusations that the Tea Party isn't loyal to fiscal responsibility, smaller government, or National Security? Anything, other than spin and rhetoric, that is?

oh, come on DS, considering that the tea party considers anything other than what comes out of their media factory,...... "liberal media" spin and rhetoric (usually called the actual truth....) Anyway..... What would they/you actually listen to?? Really? I'm sorry but my own personal feeling is the tea party overall has been ridiculous for a long time....


You are ridiculing someone's beliefs that don't jive with your own. Can you not accept that someone might differ in thought, and that their beliefs are just as valid to them as yours are to you?



mnottertail -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 9:13:00 AM)

Some beliefs are open to ridicule and disdain. 
 



DomKen -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 10:36:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Many see the Tea Party as a way to bring the GOP back to the traditional party planks of the Republican Party.

You don't really believe that right?

Would Teddy Roosevelt support the tea party? Would Eisenhower? Taft? Can you name any major Republican ever who simply refused to compromise on anything with the Democrats? Can you name any major Republican ever who demanded ideological purity from other Republicans on every single thing?



itsSIRtou -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 10:41:22 AM)


DesideriScuri

....It's too bad you're taking this personally because that's not how this is......I called the party......your GOP's tea party.... the tea party in and of itself ridiculous not u personally.

I also find its lack of allowance of facts from media outlets other than what it the tea party generates itself ..... ridiculous as well

Why the are you asking me what you don't understand really? obviously, the tea party has less or non valid beliefs, .... To me,

....and you're telling me I can't have those beliefs? ...and you can't accept those beliefs as valid feelings? hmmm?




DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 10:41:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Many see the Tea Party as a way to bring the GOP back to the traditional party planks of the Republican Party.

You don't really believe that right?
Would Teddy Roosevelt support the tea party? Would Eisenhower? Taft? Can you name any major Republican ever who simply refused to compromise on anything with the Democrats? Can you name any major Republican ever who demanded ideological purity from other Republicans on every single thing?


LMAO! The test of whether or not the Tea Party is trying to bring the GOP back to it's traditional roots is whether or not they'll compromise? Whether or not they wanted (demanded is a bit strong, dontcha think? It's not like can actually force fellow GOP lawmakers into voting their way) ideological purity?

That's laughable at the very least, Ken.



DomKen -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 10:47:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Democrats may have the shortest memories on the planet based upon their long history of being on the wrong side of quite a few important issues and their revisionist history, now.

After all, Roosevelt did the right thing, keeping us out of WWII for so long

You don't know history at all if you dare attack Democrats for not getting in WW2 earlier.

Which party did America First support? Are you daring to say the GA Bund was pro Democrat?



DomKen -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 10:54:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Many see the Tea Party as a way to bring the GOP back to the traditional party planks of the Republican Party.

You don't really believe that right?
Would Teddy Roosevelt support the tea party? Would Eisenhower? Taft? Can you name any major Republican ever who simply refused to compromise on anything with the Democrats? Can you name any major Republican ever who demanded ideological purity from other Republicans on every single thing?


LMAO! The test of whether or not the Tea Party is trying to bring the GOP back to it's traditional roots is whether or not they'll compromise? Whether or not they wanted (demanded is a bit strong, dontcha think? It's not like can actually force fellow GOP lawmakers into voting their way) ideological purity?

That's laughable at the very least, Ken.


Show me the progressive tea partiers then? Traditionally the Republicans had a strong progressive wing.

There is literally nothing of the traditional center right Republican party in the tea party nuts. They are the ideological descendants of the Birchers and the CCC. Just look at the birther stuff. There's nothing rational or moderate about it. It's conspiracy theory and blatant racism blended into a toxic soup.



mnottertail -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 11:02:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
LMAO! The test of whether or not the Tea Party is trying to bring the GOP back to it's traditional roots is whether or not they'll compromise?

here was some traditional roots, should we test these?

—tax credits and other methods of assistance to help needy senior citizens meet the costs of medical and hospital insurance;
—a strong, sound system of Social Security, with improved benefits to our people;
—continued Federal support for a sound research program aimed at both the prevention and cure of diseases, and intensified efforts to secure prompt and effective application of the results of research. This will include emphasis on mental illness, drug addiction, alcoholism, cancer, heart disease and other diseases of increasing incidence;
—revision of the Social Security laws to allow higher earnings, without loss of benefits, by our elderly people;
—full coverage of all medical and hospital costs for the needy elderly people, financed by general revenues through broader implementation of Federal-State plans, rather than the compulsory Democratic scheme covering only a small percentage of such costs, for everyone regardless of need;
—adoption and implementation of a fair and adequate program for providing necessary supplemental farm labor for producing and harvesting agricultural commodities;
—tax credits for those burdened by the expenses of college education;
—vocational rehabilitation, through cooperation between government—Federal and State—and industry, for the mentally and physically handicapped, the chronically unemployed and the poverty-stricken;
—incentives for employers to hire teenagers, including broadening of temporary exemptions under the minimum wage law;

(I can find more traditional roots)



DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 11:16:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Many see the Tea Party as a way to bring the GOP back to the traditional party planks of the Republican Party.

You don't really believe that right?
Would Teddy Roosevelt support the tea party? Would Eisenhower? Taft? Can you name any major Republican ever who simply refused to compromise on anything with the Democrats? Can you name any major Republican ever who demanded ideological purity from other Republicans on every single thing?

LMAO! The test of whether or not the Tea Party is trying to bring the GOP back to it's traditional roots is whether or not they'll compromise? Whether or not they wanted (demanded is a bit strong, dontcha think? It's not like can actually force fellow GOP lawmakers into voting their way) ideological purity?
That's laughable at the very least, Ken.

Show me the progressive tea partiers then? Traditionally the Republicans had a strong progressive wing.
There is literally nothing of the traditional center right Republican party in the tea party nuts. They are the ideological descendants of the Birchers and the CCC. Just look at the birther stuff. There's nothing rational or moderate about it. It's conspiracy theory and blatant racism blended into a toxic soup.


Was every Republican a progressive? Was every Republican subset progressive? Why demand that the Tea Party contain progressives? I do think, however, that Palin was a progressive Tea Party person. Hell, she even claimed that her and McCain were Tea Party members. How's that for progressive?

Your claims are full of shit, too, btw. The Tea Party is all about conspiracy theory, nor is it blatant racism.



mnottertail -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 11:17:21 AM)

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Democrats are for reducing spending? You mean the ones that were claiming a "fiscal cliff" over reductions in spending increases? Those Democrats?


You have blown a headpipe, have it checked out.  Show me the fiscal cliff over reductions in spending increases stuff you aint got.

Fiscal cliff and spending reductions (never mind increases) are not the in the same same purview.  They still never said it, it would make no sense, and the continuing funding resolution was passed at the same (and even a decrease if you knew simple math)    level as seqestration (not including nutsacker pork provisions).

Fiscal cliffs (you know, monetarily.oops never mind) fiscal= sound financial management, cliff is a high spot you hope to not fall off of.

so, one fiscal cliff was not providing statutory money to pay what we owe, a devastating blow to fiscal responsibility, and the other the refusal to fund the government to pay entitlements such as military pay, bondoholders and so on, yup, it is an entitlement, a contracted payment)  here I will save a couple hundred of the confused two million questions game:


1. Distribution or exercise of an absolute privilege or right to an economic benefit (such as old age pension, social security, unemployment stipend) granted by contract or law, automatically upon meeting the required qualification.2. Claim or right defended by reference to a precedence or established procedure.3. Government scheme benefiting members of a particular group.4. Offer or an actual payment of cash or stock (shares) to the holder of a security. 

and I lost track of the other non-sequitur coupled with it..Nevertheless proof of such outlandish claims as yours are solicited to avoid further derision of your spewing geyser of stupidity, aforementioned.




DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 11:18:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
LMAO! The test of whether or not the Tea Party is trying to bring the GOP back to it's traditional roots is whether or not they'll compromise?

here was some traditional roots, should we test these?
—tax credits and other methods of assistance to help needy senior citizens meet the costs of medical and hospital insurance;
—a strong, sound system of Social Security, with improved benefits to our people;
—continued Federal support for a sound research program aimed at both the prevention and cure of diseases, and intensified efforts to secure prompt and effective application of the results of research. This will include emphasis on mental illness, drug addiction, alcoholism, cancer, heart disease and other diseases of increasing incidence;
—revision of the Social Security laws to allow higher earnings, without loss of benefits, by our elderly people;
—full coverage of all medical and hospital costs for the needy elderly people, financed by general revenues through broader implementation of Federal-State plans, rather than the compulsory Democratic scheme covering only a small percentage of such costs, for everyone regardless of need;
—adoption and implementation of a fair and adequate program for providing necessary supplemental farm labor for producing and harvesting agricultural commodities;
—tax credits for those burdened by the expenses of college education;
—vocational rehabilitation, through cooperation between government—Federal and State—and industry, for the mentally and physically handicapped, the chronically unemployed and the poverty-stricken;
—incentives for employers to hire teenagers, including broadening of temporary exemptions under the minimum wage law;
(I can find more traditional roots)


Go for it.



mnottertail -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 11:22:50 AM)

That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population; its surprising development of material resources; its rapid augmentation of wealth; its happiness at home and its honor abroad; and we hold in abhorrence all schemes for disunion, come from whatever source they may; and we congratulate the country that no republican member of congress has uttered or countenanced the threats of disunion so often made by democratic members, without rebuke and with applause from their political associates; and we denounce those threats of disunion, in case of a popular overthrow of their ascendancy, as denying the vital principles of a free government, and as an avowal of contemplated treason, which it is the imperative duty of an indignant people sternly to rebuke and forever silence.

That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.

That the Republican Party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws, or any state legislation by which the rights of citizenship hitherto accorded by emigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad.

Oh, thats enough, they ain't doing shit....



thompsonx -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 1:30:15 PM)


Many see the Tea Party as a way to bring the GOP back to the traditional party planks of the Republican Party.

What exactly would those "traditional party planks" be?



kdsub -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 1:30:36 PM)

You and others speak as if the Tea Party members are new to the political scene. Will they are not...they have always been there and will continue to vote in the same manner and for the same things even if the " Tea Party" as a named political party disappears. What you need to realize is they are a force in pure numbers of like minded conservatives and will not go away. They will continue to influence the GOP and be just as disruptive no matter how dirty the Tea Party name becomes to the rest of America. If they could make a mess out of things today they will also do so tomorrow. Sad but so.

The only hope of course is to get the Democratic vote out and be damn sure their platform is conservative enough to attract the middle independents.


Butch



kdsub -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 1:40:36 PM)

I am a firm believer that there are two extremes that drive all politics and their views and beliefs cannot be changed by reason. So there will be no defeat for the Tea Party because the only way to defeat them is to change their minds and that is impossible. That goes for the extremists on the left as well... Only those able to influence the part of America that does not live to read the editorial section of the papers and the radical websites on line can change anything.

The next big winner in politics will NOT be the party that embraces its vocal left or right wingers but the one that moves to the center away from them.

Personally I blame the world media as a whole and particularly the US media for instigating, publishing and selection of views that are radical. They do this to SELL and that is really all they care about. It is hard in America to get the facts and information on sensible alternatives to these radical views because of the desire for sensationalism in the media.

Butch



Yachtie -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 2:04:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population; its surprising development of material resources; its rapid augmentation of wealth; its happiness at home and its honor abroad; and we hold in abhorrence all schemes for disunion, come from whatever source they may; and we congratulate the country that no republican member of congress has uttered or countenanced the threats of disunion so often made by democratic members, without rebuke and with applause from their political associates; and we denounce those threats of disunion, in case of a popular overthrow of their ascendancy, as denying the vital principles of a free government, and as an avowal of contemplated treason, which it is the imperative duty of an indignant people sternly to rebuke and forever silence.

That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.

That the Republican Party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws, or any state legislation by which the rights of citizenship hitherto accorded by emigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad.

Oh, thats enough, they ain't doing shit....



Nice quoting [:D] Where did ya get that? [8D] Rand Paul?[;)]



joether -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 2:07:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
The so called "tea party" are the extremist of the gop......with no loyalty to fiscal responsibility/making gov. smaller or to our nation`s security.
They are also the bigots, homophobes and the fundies trying to force their republican Jesus down all our throats.....
An example.....

You are pushing Ted Cruz's father as the typical Tea Partyer? That is ridiculous.
Do you have anything to back your accusations that the Tea Party isn't loyal to fiscal responsibility, smaller government, or National Security? Anything, other than spin and rhetoric, that is?

oh, come on DS, considering that the tea party considers anything other than what comes out of their media factory,...... "liberal media" spin and rhetoric (usually called the actual truth....) Anyway..... What would they/you actually listen to?? Really? I'm sorry but my own personal feeling is the tea party overall has been ridiculous for a long time....

You are ridiculing someone's beliefs that don't jive with your own. Can you not accept that someone might differ in thought, and that their beliefs are just as valid to them as yours are to you?


What do you think the average Tea Party minded person does on a daily basis, DS? RIDICULE OTHERS. Just because you have not been on the receiving end of it, doesn't mean its not happening. How often do we have Tea Partiers on this very forum attacking the President over petty things? Every Day!

I can accept there are people that displace President Obama and his policies.....BUT.....remain respective of the office and the nation when referring to him. How many times within the last three years alone, have we seen conservatives bash the President with 'junior high school insults and rants'? I believe the moderators could chime in here and tell....JUST HOW MANY TIMES....they have had to delete those sort of posts on the grounds it was out of line. Just because you have not seen those posts, does not mean they were never made. I've seen plenty of them over the last few years.

The GOP has no one to blame but themselves for creating the Tea Party. The longer the GOP keeps the Tea Party, 'under its wing', the more damage the Tea Party will do to the GOP. Maybe the Tea Party should become its own party, and prove to America they aren't totally full of crap. They wont do it, because its so much fun in their psychotic minds, destroying the United States anyway they can. The only group of people in America, that jumped for joy at the shutdown was the Tea Party. And because of that, many, upon many Americans will REMEMBER that when they go to the polls for 2014 and 2016.

The Tea Party may have at one time been for a collection of half decent principles and ideas. But the Tea Party of today is filled with the mean, hateful, anti-America types. They enjoy their fellow Americans suffering, and do anything and everything to undermine any sort of real help to those citizens. Basically, they are borderline traitors in my book. They attacked Gov. Christie when Hurricane Sandy hit New Jersey last year in every way. The guy was trying to help his fellow citizens out regardless of political affiliation. And if that mean getting help from the Federal Government and the President....that is what is done (i.e. swallow the pride and do the job). That is what any non-psychotic person would do, right? The Tea Party was against it.



mnottertail -> RE: GOP pushback against Tea Party (11/6/2013 2:12:08 PM)

National republican planks 1860.   Rand Paul, that dogshit, are you kidding me? 



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