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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
There may be more to the story, TJ, which is why I'm looking forward to seeing how this all shakes out.
Concealed Carry Permit or not, guns are banned on school grounds. The story doesn't mention proof of her violating the gun-free zone at the school, nor does it mention her having any intent to do so.
Starbucks, McD's and other government buildings don't prevent people from entering based on their owning a gun, owning a conceal carry permit, or both. According to the article, she was banned because she has got a concealed carry permit, and posted a pic of it on her personal facebook account.
Did the school ban all parents who have a concealed carry permit from that school's property?
I can see them banning her if she brought her gun to the school (unless it was under methodology like Jeff uses), but the article doesn't state that this happened. I restate that I don't think we have heard the entire story yet.

the article says the school said she had been a problem in the past.. that fact (?) also apparently played a part of their decision.. I expect they would rather "be safe than sorry"..
really, what kinda brains does it take to post a pic like that on FB? few people would consider that a smart move.. (no, not illegal, just a really dumb thing to do imo).. dumb people and guns don't mix well.. The school can ban whomever they want to ban.. she didn't like that decision so she pulled her kid and found a new school for her.. (I expect about now that new school is wondering what kinda problems she will be to them!)..

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Mount said she was told by police that school principal Janina Dallas is scared of her because of her weapons permit.
Dallas confirmed to WJBF-TV that Mount was banned from the school due to the Facebook post.
“It is my duty and responsibility as the principal of this school to ensure the safety and security of all of our faculty, staff and students,” Dallas said.
Dallas cited recent school shootings as why she was alarmed to Mount posting her weapons permit on Facebook.
“There have been a number of school shootings in our country,” Dallas told WJBF. “And inevitably, people will say they saw signs and things of that nature after the fact.”

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It is also unlawful to carry or possess any firearm within 1,000 feet of any school property, on a school bus or other transportation furnished by the school, or at a school function without written authorization from a school official.

This prohibition shall not apply to: organized sport shooting events, firearms training courses, persons licensed to carry when such person carries or picks up a student, any weapon legally kept in a vehicle in transit through a school zone by any person other than a student, or a firearm in a locked compartment of a motor vehicle or in a locked container or locked firearms rack in a motor vehicle being used by a person over 21 to bring or pick up a student.

The 1,000 foot zone which extends beyond the actual school property does not apply to persons who reside within the zone, are visiting someone who resides in the zone, or are conducting lawful business within the zone.

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Mount's daughter has since transferred to another elementary school in the district and she's gotten her PTO volunteer card back.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
All the articles I've read about this indicate that the picture was not the sole reason.

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Mount said she was told by police that school principal Janina Dallas is scared of her because of her weapons permit.
Dallas confirmed to WJBF-TV that Mount was banned from the school due to the Facebook post.
“It is my duty and responsibility as the principal of this school to ensure the safety and security of all of our faculty, staff and students,” Dallas said.
Dallas cited recent school shootings as why she was alarmed to Mount posting her weapons permit on Facebook.
“There have been a number of school shootings in our country,” Dallas told WJBF. “And inevitably, people will say they saw signs and things of that nature after the fact.”

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A reporter from News Channel 6 tracked down the school's principal and confirmed the no trespass order was issued because Mount had posted a photo of the permit to Facebook.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.
Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).
I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there.

Not if your carrying a gun and your not law enforcement you don't. How many school shootings have there been when a firearm was involved? You can say all you want that someone with a CC would NEVER do something like this. How about the teenager who cold-cocks the CC person on the back of the head, takes the arm and begins shooting because they REALLY have just snapped? I'm sure the idea has already happen in the past.....
That if you come to the school, lock your weapon with the principle first before entering further I could agree on. How intelligent much less wise is it, to allow a parent, whom may become extremely mad at a teacher during a discussion, to 'whipping it out and shooting them' in blind rage? The reason they call it 'blind rage' is the frontal section of the human brain shuts down. That's the area that controls reasoning, thinking, and decision making. When people get REALLY made, they do dumb things they often regret later on. Can you imagine the field day the 'gun control' folks would have if this event were to happen? Would it not make sense to keep the arm out of the school, even in the super unlikely event its used for a school shooting?
Now if the local police chief gives the 'ok' for a civilian to be allowed access into a school with a CC due to unforeseen reasons (the person is targeted by some hate group for example), its then on the chief's responsibility if anything goes wrong. And I'm sure there will be hell to pay if anything went wrong with that arm.

Popeye: "One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there."
You: "Not if your carrying a gun and your not law enforcement you don't."

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It is also unlawful to carry or possess any firearm within 1,000 feet of any school property, on a school bus or other transportation furnished by the school, or at a school function without written authorization from a school official.

This prohibition shall not apply to: organized sport shooting events, firearms training courses, persons licensed to carry when such person carries or picks up a student, any weapon legally kept in a vehicle in transit through a school zone by any person other than a student, or a firearm in a locked compartment of a motor vehicle or in a locked container or locked firearms rack in a motor vehicle being used by a person over 21 to bring or pick up a student.

The 1,000 foot zone which extends beyond the actual school property does not apply to persons who reside within the zone, are visiting someone who resides in the zone, or are conducting lawful business within the zone.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.
Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).
I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

There could be circumstances beyond the resources of the reporting that have determined the person in question is ban from the school. I'm not going to speculate on the woman's personal background as it relates to this issue. It could be all be perfectly understandable. Or just a case of 'hyper vigilance' in action. Before leaping to the woman's side 'just cus she has a firearm' shows a distinct lack of common sense. None of us know what this woman's mental and emotional health levels are at. Nor current criminal background if any. Perhaps she has laid threat towards a teacher because her kid was performing badly in school but due to laws could not publically explain the issue.

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The point of a Concealable Carry is so the criminal DOESN'T know you are carrying a firearm (....duh!). When you plaster the CC permit on the internet (Facebook of all things!), doesn't exactly.....HIDE.....the idea that you are carrying. Its like saying someone has a concealed gun locker and than posting pictures on Facebook as to where it is located in thier house. Would you take the person seriously upon learning this?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.
Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).
I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there.

Not if your carrying a gun and your not law enforcement you don't. How many school shootings have there been when a firearm was involved? You can say all you want that someone with a CC would NEVER do something like this. How about the teenager who cold-cocks the CC person on the back of the head, takes the arm and begins shooting because they REALLY have just snapped? I'm sure the idea has already happen in the past.....
That if you come to the school, lock your weapon with the principle first before entering further I could agree on. How intelligent much less wise is it, to allow a parent, whom may become extremely mad at a teacher during a discussion, to 'whipping it out and shooting them' in blind rage? The reason they call it 'blind rage' is the frontal section of the human brain shuts down. That's the area that controls reasoning, thinking, and decision making. When people get REALLY made, they do dumb things they often regret later on. Can you imagine the field day the 'gun control' folks would have if this event were to happen? Would it not make sense to keep the arm out of the school, even in the super unlikely event its used for a school shooting?
Now if the local police chief gives the 'ok' for a civilian to be allowed access into a school with a CC due to unforeseen reasons (the person is targeted by some hate group for example), its then on the chief's responsibility if anything goes wrong. And I'm sure there will be hell to pay if anything went wrong with that arm.

Here's the problem, though:

Popeye: "One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there."
You: "Not if your carrying a gun and your not law enforcement you don't."

Laws are already on the books preventing her from being on school property with a firearm, permit or not (except when certain rules are followed:
http://www.richmondcountysheriffsoffice.com/concealed-weapons-permit.cfm

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It is also unlawful to carry or possess any firearm within 1,000 feet of any school property, on a school bus or other transportation furnished by the school, or at a school function without written authorization from a school official.

This prohibition shall not apply to: organized sport shooting events, firearms training courses, persons licensed to carry when such person carries or picks up a student, any weapon legally kept in a vehicle in transit through a school zone by any person other than a student, or a firearm in a locked compartment of a motor vehicle or in a locked container or locked firearms rack in a motor vehicle being used by a person over 21 to bring or pick up a student.

The 1,000 foot zone which extends beyond the actual school property does not apply to persons who reside within the zone, are visiting someone who resides in the zone, or are conducting lawful business within the zone.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The Richmond County Sheriff's Dept. has rules and regulations covering weapons in school zones that apply to CC permit holders and non-CC permit holders. The Principal (and principle) in this case is barring one CC permit holder her privileges under County law, not all CC permit holders. And, this only applies to this parent at this Elementary School.

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ORIGINAL: joether
The point here is....if the weapon is concealable....how does one detect if a person is carrying? Short of strip searching or demanding proof (both violations of the 4th amendment), how would school officials know if the person in question was not carrying a firearm? Law enforcement, we both (hopefully) can agree to, have a lawful right to carry a firearm. It could be public (local police) or concealed (i.e. FBI). In either case, the person with the firearm is under a considerable amount of regulations about having that arm in the first place. Are you going to argue to me that the average citizen with a CC permit and arm are under the same level of scrutiny and regulation as a law enforcement person? I believe that could be the argument here. And that due to unforeseen reason(s) the woman is banned from the school. That the photo on Facebook was the metaphorical 'straw that broke the camel's back' with school officials.

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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

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"It is my duty and responsibility as the principal of this school to ensure the safety and security of all of our faculty, staff and students," Principal Janina Dallas told News Channel 6, adding that Mount had occasionally disrupted class in the past and was highly protective of her daughter, which raised warning flags.