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Random French D/s question - 11/8/2013 12:31:42 PM   
ScoutsHonor


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Status: offline 		So I was just thinking back to my high school French classes and remembering the difference between tu and vous. I was wondering if French D/s couples have protocol on when tu or vous is used in conversation of if a sub always uses vous when speaking to the Dom/me. What about in public. Random I know, but if you speak the language and have insight I would be grateful. Thanks. :)
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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/8/2013 12:56:39 PM   
MariaB


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Status: offline 		Hi ScoutsHonor, I think it very much depends on the dynamic within the relationship. In a slave master relationship 'vous' would be more appropriate than tu but of course it is up to the dominant in the relationship.
A good guide is, seniour school students talking to a teacher would use 'vous' and 'vous' is normally used for a boss unless they employer has been in the company for some time and is around the same age.

If you are speaking to a French dominant I would at least initially use vous even when he uses tu with you! He will soon let you know if he wishes you to be more familiar.

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/8/2013 2:14:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I took French as well. Great class.
I would have to agree with Maria, 'Vous'would be more appropriate I believe.

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/8/2013 5:08:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ha, this reminds me of a story of a Domme making her sub count out his strokes in French... And then gave him a hell of a lot extra for calling her 'toi' on the third stroke

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/8/2013 5:41:24 PM   
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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/8/2013 8:39:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I"m sure there are some who do. I'm sure there are some Spanish speaking doms who insist on being called, "usted", not "tu", and some German speakers who insist on being called "Sie" and not "du."

I wouldn't be surprised if there are even some English speaking doms who insist on being called the formal, "you" while addressing their subs by the archaic informal, "thou".

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 12:02:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally, I have no idea. When I'm in 'forn parts', I shout everything loudly & slowly in English, (Gods own language), followed by comprendez vous!? The forners usually get the idea .

Actually, I think I've answered the question - VOUS.


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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 12:26:47 AM   
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Personally, I have no idea. When I'm in 'forn parts', I shout everything loudly & slowly in English, (Gods own language), followed by comprendez vous!? The forners usually get the idea .

Actually, I think I've answered the question - VOUS.


I thought that was solely reserved for us Ugly Americans. I took a year of French in high school, and I can proudly say I can get my face slapped, start a fistfight, and create an international incident all at the same time with what little I know. I also have the dubious distinction of being the only student my teacher knew who spoke it in a John Wayne accent. "Comment ca vâ, pilgrim?"

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 1:32:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: garyFLR

Personally, I have no idea. When I'm in 'forn parts', I shout everything loudly & slowly in English, (Gods own language), followed by comprendez vous!? The forners usually get the idea .

Actually, I think I've answered the question - VOUS.



thats when they smile politely back at you and say ' va te faire foutre' ;)

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 1:35:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: garyFLR

Personally, I have no idea. When I'm in 'forn parts', I shout everything loudly & slowly in English, (Gods own language), followed by comprendez vous!? The forners usually get the idea .

Actually, I think I've answered the question - VOUS.



thats when they smile politely back at you and say ' va te faire foutre' ;)


MariaB, I hope that means 'I wish I was English', somehow I doubt it .


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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 1:36:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: garyFLR

Personally, I have no idea. When I'm in 'forn parts', I shout everything loudly & slowly in English, (Gods own language), followed by comprendez vous!? The forners usually get the idea .

Actually, I think I've answered the question - VOUS.


I thought that was solely reserved for us Ugly Americans. I took a year of French in high school, and I can proudly say I can get my face slapped, start a fistfight, and create an international incident all at the same time with what little I know. I also have the dubious distinction of being the only student my teacher knew who spoke it in a John Wayne accent. "Comment ca vâ, pilgrim?"


I look up to you MasterC !


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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 8:00:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vous is indeed used to spice up speech protocols in dynamics that use such devices.

Dutch/Flemish has the same distinction in address (U/je) and it is also used in high protocol dynamics. It's also a very subtle way to take M/s protocol in public, as you can use a respectful address to the Dominant, even if you're simultaneously using their first name. People look a little odd when you do it, but in the end nobody really cares or takes notice.

As an interesting side note: various English to French/Dutch BDSM-fiction translations actually adopt the honorific form of address in dialogues from s-types to d-types, despite this type of language being impossible/not happening in the original language.

The same happens when hollywood blockbusters get subtitled/dubbed: the vows/u form gets inserted whenever a native speaker would deem it appropriate.

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 8:49:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		When doing sessions in Spanish I tell a sub to use the formal if they use the familiar form. Cheeky little buggers

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 10:14:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I speak some French and have conversed with a few submissive French males on CM. I always address them using the informal "tu" form, and they have always addressed me using "vous." It was never something we discussed; they seemed to take for granted that those were the appropriate forms of address.

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 1:15:07 PM   
PeggyO


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Status: offline 		Tu and vous have become much less formal in day-to-day French. I have had bosses where we "tutoyer" each other. It used to be that in traditional French families, children would "vousvoyer' their parents, however this is much rarer.

"Tu" is much more common with people who know each other these days, even in work settings. Vous seems more reserved for dealing with people with whom there is no relationship, such as storekeepers, people you talk to on the phone, etc.

I am not sure how folks do it in Ds relationships, since I've never had a Ds relationship where French was the primary language, even though it is one of my native languages. I imagine it is an individual preference sort of thing.

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 1:22:44 PM   
MariaB


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ORIGINAL: garyFLR


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: garyFLR

Personally, I have no idea. When I'm in 'forn parts', I shout everything loudly & slowly in English, (Gods own language), followed by comprendez vous!? The forners usually get the idea .

Actually, I think I've answered the question - VOUS.



thats when they smile politely back at you and say ' va te faire foutre' ;)


MariaB, I hope that means 'I wish I was English', somehow I doubt it .



gary, its better you don't know


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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 2:27:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		This reminds me of old friends of the family, French Jews who moved to the US after WWII. Married over 40 years and they still didn't use tu to each other.

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 3:28:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I remember the formalities taught in German class would never have held true for English in the US.

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 5:05:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Real doms don't let their subs talk... in any language.

(kidding obviously)

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RE: Random French D/s question - 11/9/2013 5:16:36 PM   
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Personally, I have no idea. When I'm in 'forn parts', I shout everything loudly & slowly in English, (Gods own language), followed by comprendez vous!? The forners usually get the idea .

Actually, I think I've answered the question - VOUS.



thats when they smile politely back at you and say ' va te faire foutre' ;)


MariaB, I hope that means 'I wish I was English', somehow I doubt it .



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