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PeonForHer -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/13/2013 6:06:36 PM)

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Here he is: the Face of Evil - lest we forget what Evil looks like:



[image]local://upfiles/681642/EF9E102AE3624AB8A07A0AFB9A88AF49.jpg[/image]



BamaD -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/13/2013 6:38:34 PM)

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, like say shooting out the tires on the car instead of shooting the 19 year old? The kid acted stupidly, for sure, but I'm not convinced it was an offense punishable by death.


1. Even if you're a really good shot (Most cops aren't) shooting the tires of a moving vehicle with a handgun is REALLY difficult.




so they couldn't shoot out the tires but they could shoot the kid?


Kid wasn't spinning at 3,700 rpm.


LOL



BamaD -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/13/2013 8:33:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Here he is: the Face of Evil - lest we forget what Evil looks like:



[image]local://upfiles/681642/EF9E102AE3624AB8A07A0AFB9A88AF49.jpg[/image]

Nobody said the kid was evil, just terminally stupid



slvemike4u -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/13/2013 8:46:47 PM)

Apparently stupid runs in the family.
One should realize when he calls the cops on his own son,to teach him a lesson(I thought that was the fathers job),that they will undoubtedly bring their weapons with them .



TheHeretic -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/13/2013 8:59:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Here he is: the Face of Evil - lest we forget what Evil looks like:



[image]local://upfiles/681642/EF9E102AE3624AB8A07A0AFB9A88AF49.jpg[/image]



So you're admitting you've completely lost the arguement then, Peon? A last desperate appeal for sympathetic responses from any who started reading the thread with your post?

Adorable little thing or not, he went psycho, and was killed, before he hurt or killed an innocent. Yeah. It sucks.

Moral of the story? You don't set the law on family.



SeekingTrinity -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/13/2013 9:49:26 PM)

~FRing it~

Terminally stupid is correct. The guy was wielding a 4,000-5,000lbs. (estimated truck weight alone) deadly weapon while driving like an out of control jackass through the streets and school campus of a city. Assault with a deadly weapon is assault with a deadly weapon. He had the vehicular equivalent of an assault rifle.

Are we just supposed to let people go walking through town firing an AR-15 at people at random intervals in the hopes that they will just calm down and cool off eventually? How many people are we supposed to let get put at risk of serious injury or death while we let some idiot pissed off at Daddy and in the midst of a tantrum hopefully stop acting like a jackass?



PeonForHer -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/14/2013 4:32:31 AM)

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So you're admitting you've completely lost the arguement then, Peon? A last desperate appeal for sympathetic responses from any who started reading the thread with your post?


Holster your revolver, TH. I just thought it'd be good to have a picture of the subject of this thread, that's all. Make of it what you will. As for 'my argument': so far, it's not been about sympathy, it's been about the differing circumstances of the UK (and elsewhere) versus those of (places in) the USA. It's not that cops here *wouldn't* have shot the kid - it's that cops here *couldn't* have shot him - because they wouldn't have had guns. That's it.




Just0Us0Two -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/14/2013 8:54:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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So you're admitting you've completely lost the arguement then, Peon? A last desperate appeal for sympathetic responses from any who started reading the thread with your post?


Holster your revolver, TH. I just thought it'd be good to have a picture of the subject of this thread, that's all. Make of it what you will. As for 'my argument': so far, it's not been about sympathy, it's been about the differing circumstances of the UK (and elsewhere) versus those of (places in) the USA. It's not that cops here *wouldn't* have shot the kid - it's that cops here *couldn't* have shot him - because they wouldn't have had guns. That's it.




So just out of curiosity, how many times would the UK cops have said pretty please, would you stop trying to run us over, before they called in someone who could make him stop? This wasn't an incident that was begun and ended quickly. It wasn't like the first cop who saw him just whipped out a gun and blew the kid away. He was told repeatedly to stop. Instead, he committed a string of additional dangerous felonies. (And do bare that in mind, he wasn't a poor kid, he was a fleeing felon.) Even when boxed in, he made no move to surrender.

How many felonies does someone have to commit, and how many lives does he have to endanger, before it's reasonable to use force to stop them? Just from a quick watch of the video this kid was guilty of grand theft auto, resisting arrest, felony evasion, felony hit & run, reckless endangerment. If people had been a bit slower, there'd be vehicular manslaughter added to that list. The kid was throwing a temper tantrum. In a 10 yo, stamping his feet around the living room, that's easily dealt with. In a 19yo, who's in control of a 2+ ton weapon, not so much so.




Just0Us0Two -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/14/2013 9:07:17 AM)

Here's another fresh-faced young lad. He looks so clean-cut. Guess he could never have gotten up to no good either?

[image]local://upfiles/1658575/D45FD12FF6134215AAF3B711AC9C76B4.jpg[/image]



PeonForHer -> RE: Dad Calls Cops on Son to Teach Him a Lesson, Cops Shoot Son Dead (11/14/2013 10:46:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

So just out of curiosity, how many times would the UK cops have said pretty please, would you stop trying to run us over, before they called in someone who could make him stop? This wasn't an incident that was begun and ended quickly. It wasn't like the first cop who saw him just whipped out a gun and blew the kid away. He was told repeatedly to stop. Instead, he committed a string of additional dangerous felonies. (And do bare that in mind, he wasn't a poor kid, he was a fleeing felon.) Even when boxed in, he made no move to surrender.

How many felonies does someone have to commit, and how many lives does he have to endanger, before it's reasonable to use force to stop them? Just from a quick watch of the video this kid was guilty of grand theft auto, resisting arrest, felony evasion, felony hit & run, reckless endangerment. If people had been a bit slower, there'd be vehicular manslaughter added to that list. The kid was throwing a temper tantrum. In a 10 yo, stamping his feet around the living room, that's easily dealt with. In a 19yo, who's in control of a 2+ ton weapon, not so much so.




In the UK, cops might have drawn guns to stop this situation if it had been clear that this kid was hell-bent on murdering people with his car. However the chances are that they wouldn't have thought that the procedure of going to one of the central gun stores in order to pick up guns would have been of much use. The incident was protracted, sure, but not *that* protracted.

In the UK, the police would probably have done pretty much what these cops did, right up to the point of shooting him. They would certainly have used force. They would have been armed, of course - with their police cars. As has been pointed out repeatedly on this thread in relation to the culprit of this thread, a car can be a weapon. So, clearly, this applies also to the police - who, in this event and going on the evidence of the video - used their cars to ram and (try to) block the culprit's car.



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