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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

What are your thoughts on the negotiations with Iran?

I think they are playing the West, and we are all going to wake up one morning in the next year to the news that they have successfully tested a bomb.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

My oh my, a Republican spouting off about Iraq and not knowing what he is talking about, its 2003 all over again.

Do I really need to remind you the same client actors you mention in Iraq were put in power by those halfwits Bush and Blair. Do I need to point out the majority of the terrorist attacks are carried out by Sunnis with links to AQ, while Iran supports the regime in power ? Seems to me you need to recheck a few things before spouting off.

So, now you are flip flopping from 20% uranium to "Knowing how its made"..... That my friend, is why they are having talks, a point thats way over your head.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

My oh my, a Republican spouting off about Iraq and not knowing what he is talking about, its 2003 all over again.

Do I really need to remind you the same client actors you mention in Iraq were put in power by those halfwits Bush and Blair. Do I need to point out the majority of the terrorist attacks are carried out by Sunnis with links to AQ, while Iran supports the regime in power ? Seems to me you need to recheck a few things before spouting off.

So, now you are flip flopping from 20% uranium to "Knowing how its made"..... That my friend, is why they are having talks, a point thats way over your head.

Ah another liberal posting lies.
Since you won't bother to actually corroborate your statement - let me tell you the only comment I have made in this thread about 20% uranium.

"And yet, here they are developing uranium for weapons. Because make no mistake - the amount of 20% enriched fuel vastly exceeds any research requirements. "

So I'm afraid your wet-dream of me flip-flopping is once again proven to be a lie.

20% Uranium is only an intermediate step toward enrichment necessary to create war grade materials.
Iran has the ability to replicate its entire stockpile is less than 3 months. So while it is a concern, it is a concern predominantly for its demonstration of the mastery of the production cycle.

20% uranium has only two uses - medical and weapons. Iran's one medical reactor requires a few ounces of enriched uranium per year. So the idea that this stockpile has anything to do other than mastering the production cycle for weapons is ridiculous.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

My oh my, a Republican spouting off about Iraq and not knowing what he is talking about, its 2003 all over again.

Do I really need to remind you the same client actors you mention in Iraq were put in power by those halfwits Bush and Blair. Do I need to point out the majority of the terrorist attacks are carried out by Sunnis with links to AQ, while Iran supports the regime in power ? Seems to me you need to recheck a few things before spouting off.

So, now you are flip flopping from 20% uranium to "Knowing how its made"..... That my friend, is why they are having talks, a point thats way over your head.

Ah another liberal posting lies.
Since you won't bother to actually corroborate your statement - let me tell you the only comment I have made in this thread about 20% uranium.

"And yet, here they are developing uranium for weapons. Because make no mistake - the amount of 20% enriched fuel vastly exceeds any research requirements. "

So I'm afraid your wet-dream of me flip-flopping is once again proven to be a lie.

20% Uranium is only an intermediate step toward enrichment necessary to create war grade materials.
Iran has the ability to replicate its entire stockpile is less than 3 months. So while it is a concern, it is a concern predominantly for its demonstration of the mastery of the production cycle.

20% uranium has only two uses - medical and weapons. Iran's one medical reactor requires a few ounces of enriched uranium per year. So the idea that this stockpile has anything to do other than mastering the production cycle for weapons is ridiculous.

Firstly, I`m not a Liberal. Secondly, you and I have debated the Uranium issue in the recent past, so your stance is well documented.

And here you are again, bleating about enrichment levels Iran has said it wont manufacture Uranium at.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh, hell no, the US has no goals in Syria, and the resultants Syria's spilling over into Iraq (since they did mission accomplished on that one) that nutsackers made that point very dramatically, with full slobber and jowls.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh no, not at all, that was sewn right up in Ws time, remember the shoes?  The date was set, it was that announcement of that nutsacker signed Status of Forces Agreement where he was given shoes as a going away present. As a fuck you to Obama, he cobbled up a delayed withdrawl, so Obama couldn't say, see? done!

Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq

Thats why that one was not immediately ended, a president can't just throw away a signed 'treaty' in America, without a war.

Maybe start googling up some of this stuff,   lot has changed since you were drafted at 12 years old, and by god, you are out of touch, so don't try to gab so much until you know what is happening.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So Bush was able to get a SOFA agreement signed with Iraq.

The obama administration... was not. Despite having three+ years to get it done.

Absent an agreement, the agreed upon US forces departed. Absent US security forces, the security situation has pretty steadily declined under Obama's administration since the departure of US forces.

So the situation is *owned* by O'stupid.

Whatever you think of the stupidity of going to war in Iraq, it is nonetheless true that whatever residual value remained in preventing an al-qaeda or militant islamic state is in danger of being lost.

And no possible good can come of this area militarizing again.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh no, not at all, that was sewn right up in Ws time, remember the shoes?  The date was set, it was that announcement of that nutsacker signed Status of Forces Agreement where he was given shoes as a going away present. As a fuck you to Obama, he cobbled up a delayed withdrawl, so Obama couldn't say, see? done!

Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq

Thats why that one was not immediately ended, a president can't just throw away a signed 'treaty' in America, without a war.

Maybe start googling up some of this stuff,   lot has changed since you were drafted at 12 years old, and by god, you are out of touch, so don't try to gab so much until you know what is happening.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh, hell no, the US has no goals in Syria, and the resultants Syria's spilling over into Iraq (since they did mission accomplished on that one) that nutsackers made that point very dramatically, with full slobber and jowls.

I'm afraid you can't drop the overrun of Ramallah and Fallujah on W.
The withdrawal of forces is all Obama.

The question now is - will they prop up the rump regime or let them fall so the whole region comes under the influence of Iran / Al-qaieda.

Quite a great job O'stupids up to.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh, hell no, the US has no goals in Syria, and the resultants Syria's spilling over into Iraq (since they did mission accomplished on that one) that nutsackers made that point very dramatically, with full slobber and jowls.

I'm afraid you can't drop the overrun of Ramallah and Fallujah on W.
The withdrawal of forces is all Obama.

The question now is - will they prop up the rump regime or let them fall so the whole region comes under the influence of Iran / Al-qaieda.

Quite a great job O'stupids up to.

Mission accomplished ring any bells.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

In the context of getting a SOFA?

No. As it shouldn't. You know its a complete non-sequiter.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

In the context of getting a SOFA?

No. As it shouldn't. You know its a complete non-sequiter.

No, as per your claim re Obama, Kerry and Iran and there being nothing in it for the US....... I would have thought the lack of body bags would count for something. In which case, trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement seems admirable to all but the neocons.