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IronBear -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 8:26:46 AM)
I'll just bend over and bare my ass at the intruders then and drop an IB fart whilse Neets tosses a match so I can flame them. After they have submitted or circummed to the odiforous residue, Neets can hit them with water from her double barreled water pistol ready for the police to take into custody.. Now all I have to do is to see about licencing my arse and farts as deadly weapons..

SirKenin -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 8:28:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear SirKenin, In reletive closed quaters such as my home, I'll back me armed with my katana against a gun carrying intruder any time and I'd even lay a bet that tirst move I make disarms him literally and the second beheads him... But there has been one hell of a lot of practice too in these type senarios.. . The difference is that most people train or are trained to defend themselves or their property. I am trained to kill. No questions asked.. The problem with a Katana... The key problem... Is that you have to get close enough to strike (and fencing? bwahaha. Give me a fucking break). The key advantage of a gun is being able to strike a target hundreds of feet away. By the time you get close enough to Me to be any kind of a threat I will already have six holes in you. Believe Me, if I see you charging at Me with a sword, your ass is Mine. Now. On the other hand. If you are unarmed, yet trained in hand to hand combat, which you probably are, you can get close to the intruder because you are not posing an immediate threat. It is the same concept as a "sleeper" car. Stock on the outside, 800 horsepower under the hood. Once you get close enough you can take control of the situation and disarm the intruder rather effortlessly. That way you both live to fight another day.

CrappyDom -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 11:11:18 AM)
Since most people cannot hit the broad side of a barn on a good day, I would have no problem running down an attacker with a gun and shoving it up his ass. Look at how many rounds pigs and criminals blast away in your average close range shootout and how few actually hit home. Play the shriveling coward at first, begging for your life, get close and then simply kill them. It doesn't play well in the movies but it does in real life.

mnottertail -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 11:43:29 AM)
The shorter ninja taws are more useful than the samuari kens for close combat. And you don't have to get too close to 'em niether....... Thrown swords have done in many a man, and most people would fend them off, and there is a great body of people who don't realize that if someone throws a sword at you, there is no obligation to try catch them (one only need realize that hallways are not conducive to evasive actions of any lasting value). Again I will point out that real threats are in the distance of personal space or a slightly greater range......in terms of home defence. The likely hood of you patrolling your multi acre estate and picking off the intruders in hundreds of yards, or even hundreds of feet is doubtful. And everything carries risk, it is cute to think about it in the garish sunshine, but with the whole fuckoree on the line and the fog of war on you (even personal ones) it is just different...that's all I will say...just different, than you might imagine. Ron (IB givin' 'em the ass inside could hurt innocent bystanders with the sphincter splatter and I know 'cause I have let such farts escape me in the middle of cold wintery nights that I woke myself up in panic)

Pulpsmack -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 6:34:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Look at how many rounds pigs and criminals blast away in your average close range shootout and how few actually hit home. Nice mature outlook there, especially from a forty-something. Do you spend your weekends in the airport spitting on returning soldiers too? Proof positive that while everyone gets older, some never grow up. I am sure that there are a number that deserve contempt thanks to their "professional" conduct, but the rest that work along side them get up every day and put their lives on the line to keep your streets safe, so you can go get a Slurpee in relative peace at the corner store after badmouthing them on the internet all day. Now to add something proper to the discussion (aside from the well-needed dressing down)... One point that I mentioned that nobody seemed to address is a larger-scale catastrophic situation. Everybody seems more or less to have isolated the discussion to a lone robber entering the house at night, with perhaps a few recognizing the possibility of a street/car mugging. Unless I overlooked it/them, nobody has considered a scenario involving natural disaster or terrorism, both of which are recent occurances and remain viable threats for the forseeable future. I wonder if it is because people who have had the good fortune to live free of such tragedies (thus far) don't bother thinking about such things. Granted, some might equate this to the late 1950s tin foil hat wearers pouring concrete foundations in their back yards for their new bomb shelters, but I think the notible difference here is that these bombs never fell on American soil, whereas these other tragedies have happened, and persist as a threat.

IronBear -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 7:38:01 PM)
Without breaching confidences, I can cite a Victorian Police case some years aho when an officer was just inside the hall way of one of those older houses where the hall/passage runs the length of the home. The violent offender the officer have been called into deal with rushed at the officer with a sharp axe. No room to manouver or dodge. The oppicer emptied hus semi auto into the chest area of the offender whose last move was to bury the axe between the officer's legs slicing the crutch of his uniform pants. When asked in the corinor's court why he emptied the whole mgazine into the offender the officer replied that he didn't have time to slip a new magazine into his weapon... One point Sir Kenin, I don't have a large house and if you remember I was refering to an intruder inside. I agree with Ron but the katana is what I have and trained with. I know it will slice a human wrist off and it will decapitate a human as well as damn near bisecting one with a lateral stroke.. It has had in the past much use in combat and boith drank alopt of blood as well as taken many lives.... I am used to it and it is used to me. Together we work at sword no sword level.. Looking at a hand gun (especially on the larger size), somewhere I may still have a copy of an official vidio of a number of police involved in dealing with a psychotic killer. He had taken 9 shots with 357 magnum police issued revilvers into areas which are cinsidered to be lethal. The last shot he took was the 10th which was ito his head. he grabbed the gun off the officer and killed him before falling dead himself. He had likked four other officers.. medically he should have died instantly. The ME's findings was that because of the perp's psychosis and excessive of adrenaline the body didn't know it was dead... We were all trained that any form of restraint only buys you a few seconds with an EDP (Emotionally Disturbed Person) because they can break free.. If they are armed, I revert to what I was told - Better to testify in a Coroner's Court..

juliaoceania -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 8:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Look at how many rounds pigs and criminals blast away in your average close range shootout and how few actually hit home. Nice mature outlook there, especially from a forty-something. Do you spend your weekends in the airport spitting on returning soldiers too? Proof positive that while everyone gets older, some never grow up. I am sure that there are a number that deserve contempt thanks to their "professional" conduct, but the rest that work along side them get up every day and put their lives on the line to keep your streets safe, so you can go get a Slurpee in relative peace at the corner store after badmouthing them on the internet all day. Now to add something proper to the discussion (aside from the well-needed dressing down)... One point that I mentioned that nobody seemed to address is a larger-scale catastrophic situation. Everybody seems more or less to have isolated the discussion to a lone robber entering the house at night, with perhaps a few recognizing the possibility of a street/car mugging. Unless I overlooked it/them, nobody has considered a scenario involving natural disaster or terrorism, both of which are recent occurances and remain viable threats for the forseeable future. I wonder if it is because people who have had the good fortune to live free of such tragedies (thus far) don't bother thinking about such things. Granted, some might equate this to the late 1950s tin foil hat wearers pouring concrete foundations in their back yards for their new bomb shelters, but I think the notible difference here is that these bombs never fell on American soil, whereas these other tragedies have happened, and persist as a threat. Actually in my home town they were always turning on their sirens so they could beat everyone to get to a Slurpie, not to mention in the neigboring town they arranged to have one of their own murdered because he planned to rat out their drug selling operations... no shit, do a search on Mariposa California sheriff murdered cocaine in google and I am sure you will fnd all the sorrid details..not all cops are nice. As far as the street car mugging situation, I am not going to drive around with a gun awaiting being mugged on some street somewhere. I prefer not to live a fear based existence and to be watchful of my surroundings. If someone car jacks me or demands my wallet, they can have it, after all it is only a car and money and my life is worth more than that. On the other hand if they wanted to take me to a second location they would have to kill me first..

Sinergy -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 8:29:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TxBadMan quote: time slowed down, every muscle in my body went rigid, I got tunnel vision. I became hyper sensitive. I freaked out and did not respond the way I would "rationally". I did not check my mother who was in the car, I got out of the car and walked around it.. my heart was racing so fast I thought it might come out of my chest.. That's commonly referred to as shock; not an adrenaline rise. Hello A/all, That statement is not entirely true. There are some similar aspects to both shock and adrenalin. All of the things she describes are not unheard of under adrenalin. Other aspects of adrenalin can be a metallic taste in one's mouth. Auditory (tunnel hearing?) exclusion. Loss of dexterity (think woman in a horror movie fumbling to find her key while the mummy chases her). Shock tends to cause blood to feed the internal organs and exclude circulation to the large muscle groups. Adrenalin, on the other hand, tends to cause circulation to increase to large muscle groups, probably to run away from or beat up the dinosaur chasing oneself. I have not heard of shock causing (sensation that time is slowing down) tachypsychia. Sinergy

mnottertail -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 8:35:50 PM)
IB, whether it is a 37 or 47 inch sword is merely a matter of time and space, I think the viking short swords would be handier for heft and everything and fit in in other areas, but the point is missed, for the most part. So a big natural disaster or cataclysmic event, like the guy said, who gives a fuck, I shoot or stab or kill anyone that is not with my plan, I am a leader. It goes: My mission, my men, my equipment, my morale, myself......that is in a widespread conflict... somebody else ultimately in charge. Defense of home and hearth is a different matter entirely...me, mine, my.. Now more on pulpsmaks post...final paragraph......this is all jolly bullshit..... Let's look at the reality of some of the planes 9/11....they controlled........watch this now; CONTROLLED an entire reinforced company......couple hundred with a couple of fuckin, boxcutters. Because the sheep love to get fucked, it is so -----unagitating, so---appeasing. But for some of the world, you grab grama and gonna slice her throa with a boxcutter if I don't auger in the plane? Sorry, Grama, love you love you but you are gonna die as i TRY to take this motherfucker out. Notice I said try.........one plane outta that whole bunch augered in and did not do the duty.......I bet there was a man on that plane. IN my advancing years, a fight will last a maximum of 15 seconds, because if you ain't dead, at 16 seconds I will be on my knees begging you to kill me so I don't need air. It is all well and fine to piddle on about this shit in fantasy.... but it is shoulda done, woulda done, coulda done...... There is but the quick and the dead. No thief comes into a house looking to start a bloodbath. He may be taking one, which is your feverous hope. LOL, I stand with Bear. Ron

Sinergy -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 8:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Play the shriveling coward at first, begging for your life, get close and then simply kill them. It doesn't play well in the movies but it does in real life. If somebody is going to kill you, the scenario will probably go something like this. Person A: "Excuse me, Sir, do you have $1.25 so I can buy a Big Mac?" Person B: "Let me see" checks his pockets Person A then puts their hand over Person B's face to distract them and slices vertically from crotch to diaphragm with a very sharp knife so the person's guts plop down on the floor causing momentary confusion and making running away difficult. Or else Person A gives Person B full-body ventilation with the .38 they have concealed. End of story. The whole charging from 100 yards away looks really impressive in movies, but I would be surprised if a case where somebody has charged another person from 100 yards away has actually occurred since World War 1. My biggest problem with martial arts is that in the Real World, you dont square off and have somebody say "Go." The assailant gets close enough to hit you using some ruse, and then clocks you before your 1/4 of a second reaction time + whatever time it takes your arms to block has time to protect you. Then there is the gratuitous beating to follow while you are too stunned by the first blow to react. In a fight, the first effective blow landed determines the winner and the loser, the rest of time the fight is going on simply wraps up the loose ends. If somebody intends to kill you they will probably do it before you ever knew what hit you. On a positive note, if somebody comes at you with a weapon and you are not dead, their intent is to not kill you at that moment. I would say that unless you walk around locked and loaded, or Katana in hand, or whatever, I would suggest some unarmed defensive strategies as well as learning effective verbal skills. Just me, could be wrong, etc. Sinergy

JohnWarren -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 9:09:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Play the shriveling coward at first, begging for your life, get close and then simply kill them. It doesn't play well in the movies but it does in real life. Two words, Sken Du. It's an old Scottish tradition

mnottertail -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 9:13:11 PM)
ummmmmmmmmmmm, I am in total agreement with the exception of the marital arts statement..........although I agree it is sometimes thought of as (and taught as sport) with no real background. But in every case, unless you are somea kinda gangbanger......these situations are close order. I study taijutsus and taihenjutsus. That is; reasonably speaking if someone affronts you and if you don't fare well in the encounter.Agreed wholeheartedly, if you are alive and someone is threatining you, there is a good chance a focused will to remove is sufficient. Ron

Pulpsmack -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 9:34:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Look at how many rounds pigs and criminals blast away in your average close range shootout and how few actually hit home. Nice mature outlook there, especially from a forty-something. Do you spend your weekends in the airport spitting on returning soldiers too? Proof positive that while everyone gets older, some never grow up. I am sure that there are a number that deserve contempt thanks to their "professional" conduct, but the rest that work along side them get up every day and put their lives on the line to keep your streets safe, so you can go get a Slurpee in relative peace at the corner store after badmouthing them on the internet all day. Actually in my home town they were always turning on their sirens so they could beat everyone to get to a Slurpie, not to mention in the neigboring town they arranged to have one of their own murdered because he planned to rat out their drug selling operations... no shit, do a search on Mariposa California sheriff murdered cocaine in google and I am sure you will fnd all the sorrid details..not all cops are nice. I happen to know a lot of "individuals" in my neighborhood whose deaths would be celebrated more by society than their lives. They deal drugs, they rob, they break into cars, and they are THE significant cause of the city's violent crime (as relayed by everybody's friend, statistics). Aside from their penchant for living a lifestyle with no regard for anybody else, they have two factors in common: they are poor and they are of like ancestry. Are you confortable with people here spouting off shit about the poor or certain race(s) because there is a factual basis that a number of them are irredeemable pieces of shit? If you are, than I have nothing to say other than "at least your beliefs are consistent". If you are not comfortable or ok with that then you should look at what broad, sweeping, and dangerous generalizations you defend before you are so quick to jump in and add your two cents, because it shows you react more than you think. Note, this is coming from someone in Lousiana where political corruption runs hand in hand with law enforcement corruption. I just learned of a NO police officer who turned for the feds as he was on the payroll of one of the most dangerous cocaine cartels. quote: As far as the street car mugging situation, I am not going to drive around with a gun awaiting being mugged on some street somewhere. I prefer not to live a fear based existence and to be watchful of my surroundings. If someone car jacks me or demands my wallet, they can have it, after all it is only a car and money and my life is worth more than that. On the other hand if they wanted to take me to a second location they would have to kill me first.. Actually you don't have the choice to (legally) defend yourself outside of the home with a weapon based upon the "wisdom" of your fellow voters who have elected those representatives who outlawed the ownership of many weapons and the carrying of virtually all of them including firearms (yet the streets for some strange reason are even less safe). Therefore, the point is moot for you. Again, your perception that the desire to arm oneself being a product of a fear-based lifestyle is completely flawed. I don't carry a gun because I live in fear. On the contrary. While I don't go looking for trouble, I live in less fear because I have more options at my disposal to facilitate leaving in one piece when trouble looms around the corner. It's funny how calm I was when all hell broke loose during the hurricane despite the instant addition of thousands of scared, poor and angry neighbors (housed in emergency shelter 2 blocks from my house, meaning they roamed those two blocks when not sleeping). I never lived in fear for years and years that Katrina would ever happen, but I was one of the few who slept well knowing I had adequate food, water, and enough hardware to raise a militia on my block if things turned ugly within the afternoon. On the other hand, everybody who DID NOT prepare freaked out and did live in very real fear. The gun stores sold every thing in stock (and we are a southern state that likes guns for blasting paper as much as whitetail and ducks, so you have no idea how many guns were sold that day... literally thousands). The same thing happened to the women when we had a serial killer years back (even though the chances of selection are astronomically small). Do you live in fear because you have a cell phone? Of course not, so how would you take the comment "I'm not going to live in fear of my car breaking down by chaining myself to that ringing thing"? It's stupid. Having something with you often/always does not make you live in fear, nor does it mean you do. Armed or unarmed you can be cool to the point of dangerous obliviousness, or you can be uptight to "permenant shit my pants mode". State of mind is not dependant upon what we keep, but state of preparation is, in great effect. One sensible thing that you said (as have others) was a reference to observation. Active observation is the most effective weapon in one's arsenal of self defense. No piece of steel is an adequate substitute for this power (although they can and do make for vital supplements).

LadyHugs -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 9:45:14 PM)
Dear BitaTruble, Ladies and Gentlemen; In my mind's eye, experience and knowledge; the best protection in protecting/defending what is yours has to be the following; Have a plan and have options to fit the scenerio. Know your weapon of choice and ones that are in 'hands reach.' If it is a semi-automatic, need to know how to correct a jam/hang up, eject magazines and slam the new one in correctly, how to use one's hand to interrupt the slide and grip, bend and deflect the attacker's hand. With swords, knives and axes, knowing their behavior/traits is important as well as knowing their strengths and weaknesses, e.g. big spaces, small spaces, tactical strokes, etc. The back up plan is to use the weak hand/arm as to take over should the strong hand becomes disabled. Attack the eyes first. Without the eyes, the attacker can't see. I rather loose a single tail when I crack it into the attacker's eyes and even though they may grab it, perhaps it will give time for an escape. In the Old West, the buggy whip was a woman's friend and attacking the eyes was as important to attacking the genitals. It is fact, that a horse shot, can still live long enough to trample, gallop a few miles before collapse depending on the 'shot' taken. My personal favorite was a hairspray can and a lighter (to which I don't smoke) and create a mini flame thrower. But, it is wind dependent (away from you or you get the flash back); same goes with tear gas and pepper spray. Never be afraid to bite. Savaging is what the old phrase was from wise women of my mother's era. Bite nose, ears, lips--anything and use the spike heels to drive into the arch. Pick up the high heel and go for the inner ear, drive the heel into the ear drumb, into the heart, lungs and eyes. Safety pins, keys, metal fingernail files, combs with the rat tail on them (boy am I aging myself), dress pins (like the ones worn on blouses, lapels--Open the pin, use the main decoration part as a handle and the pin between your fingers and there is one's weapon. Of course punting the males in the goodies that wobble to and fro and could use a 'nut bra' if they're knee knockers--it is a standard. And, of course being as old as I am-- Telling the attacker that you know their mothers--well, it is almost as good as telling a masochist you'll be playing the Friend's song by Barny the purple dino on PBS--giggles and all. Respectfully submitted with a wee bit of humor, Lady Hugs

DaddyDommy -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 10:06:48 PM)
It's not just a French thing, it's a worldwide thing. Most criminals cannot pull the trigger to kill someone in cold blood. Most criminals who have a gun during a crime use it with no expectation they're actually going to shoot someone. Pulling a trigger for most criminals only happens in moments of extreme pressure like when the person they are robbing pulls a gun out on them. I know this through first-hand experience. Also, it always depresses me when I see anyone call large groups of people irredeemable, especially because 10 years ago you would have probably called me that too, and I am a completely changed person from who I was then, a thug and lowlife. Believe me, it wasn't people like you that caused me to change, but rather people who did believe everyone deserves a chance.

juliaoceania -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 10:15:23 PM)
The government failed the people before and after Katrina. you are blaming the victims. I do not live in fear.. I do not need gun... I am a happy person. If someone wants to assault you they are going to get you while you aren't expecting it.. the guy that car jacks you would kill you before he spoke to you if he was intent on doing so.. maybe from behind. As far as voters.. Im one of them that doesn't want people running around armed.

LadyHugs -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 10:20:22 PM)
Dear Pulpsmack, Ladies and Gentlemen; You wrote in part; quote: ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack Actually you don't have the choice to (legally) defend yourself based upon the "wisdom" of your fellow voters who have elected representatives who outlawed the ownership of many weapons and the carrying of virtually all of them including firearms (yet the streets for some strange reason are even less safe). Therefore, the point is moot for you. The famed western lawman, Bat Masterson; who moved to New York City in the 1800's compared the safety of New York to Tombstone, Arizona and said, that it was safer in Tombstone than in New York City with 'gun laws.' In Washington, DC --where there is gun control and possession of a firearm, with the exception of law enforcement officers, is illegal yet, it was well known street thugs could rent-a-gun for $2.00. In neighboring Virginia, there is no 'gun control' per se, with restrictions on ownership by felons and mentally ill individuals. Guns may be worn in the open, holstered and it is requested that the person has lessons in firing their weapons. Other than carrying a firearm into a bank and or federal building, e.g. post office, etc., it is legal to carry unconcealed and, one can apply for concealed permit as well. Crime statistics show that Maryland and DC, which has gun control and no death penalty, have the highest crime rate and highest weapon involved crime rate to, Virginia's crime rate. Granny or Grand pops, especially war veterans may be the ones who will draw their weapon on some criminal(s) and be a deadly shot and be in the rights of self defense. The fun is, guessing who is armed and who isn't. Do you live in fear because you have a cell phone? Of course not, so how would you take the comment "I'm not going to live in fear of my car breaking down by chaining myself to that ringing thing"? It's stupid. Having something with you often/always does not make you live in fear, nor does it mean you do. Armed or unarmed you can be cool to the point of dangerous obliviousness, or you can be uptight to "permenant shit my pants mode". State of mind is not depend One sensible thing that you said (as have others) was a reference to observation. Active observation is the most effective weapon in one's arsenal of self defense. No piece of steel is an adequate substitute for this power (although they can and do make for vital supplements). Well said. Best defense is offense, being aware of things out of place, gut instincts and funny feelings. Looking for escape routes, looking for pervertable weapons for self defense. Sometimes the best defense is retreat instead of toe-to-toe with a criminal who is armed. The best revenge is living and with all the parts attached. Respectfully submitted for consideration, Lady Hugs

Sinergy -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 10:33:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Play the shriveling coward at first, begging for your life, get close and then simply kill them. It doesn't play well in the movies but it does in real life. Two words, Sken Du. It's an old Scottish tradition I thought Mike Myers in "So I Married An Axe Murderer" called it "Fuk Yu." Although, according to him, it was mostly head butting and kicking people when they were down. Sinergy

Sinergy -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 10:42:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack Again, your perception that one needs to arm oneself is a product of living in fear is completely flawed. I don't carry a gun because I live in fear. On the contrary. While I don't go looking for a hassle, when one comes upon me, I live in less fear because I have more options at my disposal to facilitate leaving in one piece. I had a drunken clown try to start a fight with me one time, about 6 months after earning my second degree black belt and after 5 years of teaching full contact self defense. I knew I could take the person out in about .3 seconds, probably with an elbow to the center of their (my personal favorite) face. But knowing I hate interactions with hostile police, time in jail, time in the morgue if he is better than I am, etc. And that I really dont care to be in a fight with anybody. I bought him a beer and he went away. Best use of $3.50 I can think of. Just me, could be wrong, etc. Sinergy

Emperor1956 -> RE: Weaponry, protecting what's yours (7/11/2006 11:19:13 PM)
I stayed away from this thread for the longest time, but having seen it go on and on... No one (at least in the posts I read -- about 1/2 of them) has talked about the most efficient, simple home defense firearm available: A shotgun. Loaded with 00 or 000 buckshot, a simple mechanical shotgun has more stopping power than any handgun. There are three major advantages of a shotgun: 1) your shots go where you want them to and there is less danger of harming third parties through walls or in the event of an errant shot. 2) the potential for inflicting wound trauma to an assailant is maximized, thus halting a violent confrontation quickly. 3) it is easier to hit one's attacker with a shotgun than with a handgun, rifle or (laughing) a sword. There are many other advantages. I could go on and on. Good shotguns are relatively cheap, and much cheaper than good handguns. Ammo is plentiful and cheap. Shotguns are easy to load, carry safely, and use. A short barrelled model (18", perfectly legal) is maneuverable. A lighter gauge (20, or the reliable .410) can be handled by a small person very easily (although you lose some stopping power). A stainless steel "marine" quality Mossberg 500 pump gun would set you back about $350 new, and less than 1/2 that in a pawn shop. They are available at the local Walmart in many states, and will not rust or jam if stored in suboptimal conditions (under the bed, say) in a damp climate. And very few sounds give someone as much "pause" as the shucking of a pump gun in a dark room. E. (NOTE: I could debate the risks of "short shucking" in a panic situation and perhaps opt for a reliable autoloader. I could debate buckshot vs. no. 6 target shot. But all in all, give me a shotgun vs. all of the fancy weapons discussed in the past 100+ posts, and I'm gonna walk away unscathed.)

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