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what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 5:26:19 AM   
mistresszariah1


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Status: offline 		I have a sub that likes to play hudini, test My patience and keep Me on edge? how do I get this puppy uncontrol?
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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 6:07:20 AM   
MsSonnetMarwood


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Status: offline 		Learn how to tie him up better?  If that's what you mean by playing Houdini.

Seriously, I know a lot of boys who are into bondage and consider it their "job" to get out of it if they can - that's the "fun" of it for them.

If it's really bothering you, sit him down and have an open and honest discussion about what the problem might be. 

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 6:53:10 AM   
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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 6:57:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Engage in some play that will physically exahaust him [I'm a super fan of anything primal], at which point he'll be gentle and submissive enough to do what you want.

-an unruly and wild sub.



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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 7:39:30 AM   
tangldupinblue


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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 8:49:31 AM   
MsKatHouston


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Status: offline 		I will make the (possibly incorrect) assumption that you are satisfied with the relationship in all other aspects and are looking for ideas.  If this is a serious point of contention for you, though, a talk is in order outlining what behavior you find acceptable and what is not.  Personally, if I wanted a dare to get out of this type of play, it would be fun but if I had other intentions and he thwarted me, ruining the type of scene I wanted continually, he wouldn't last long. 

If he gets out of bondage, make it extremely distatsteful for him not to.  Predicament bondage that will hurt one thing if he moves another might give him some consequences for his wiggling around.  Get a mentor who is skilled with bondage to help you learn how to tie better/more securely.  Stop tying him up and withhold that form of play until he can behave.  If he gets out when it is not intended for him to do so, punish in a manner that will not be fun for him.  Tie him then put him in a confined space so his movement is limited and even if he gets out of the bondage still has nowhere to go.

Good luck.



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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 9:09:17 AM   
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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 10:46:48 AM   
janiceleeinsc


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Status: offline 		He/she is testing you.  That is a huge no no.
The best type of punishment I use for a situation like this, is no punishment.  You can refuse to communicate with them for a couple of days.   I actually put my slave on ten days restrictions when he came home drunk.  It really wasn't the drinking part that got him into trouble, but it was the fact that he went driving about thirty miles in that condition and could have been arrested.  I was too furious to use physical punishment, and the restrictions got his attention.  He fought me on it, but I kept my foot down.

Respectfully,

Mistress_Jan

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 1:33:39 PM   
MistressWolfen


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Status: offline 		hmmm...I think the humbler would come out at about this point and be tied quite snuggly to the back D ring of a posture collar. Get a cuppa coffee, sit down, put your feet up and say "wiggle out of that one pet" *evil chuckle*

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 1:43:06 PM   
janiceleeinsc


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The humbler would solve just about every problem.  MJ

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 1:50:55 PM   
MistressWolfen


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Status: offline 		indeedy doo Janice...handy tools they are *grins* great attitude adjusters

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 1:54:37 PM   
impishlilhellcat


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Status: offline 		In all honesty and I can't believe I'm admitting this <cringes> the best thing that absolutely works for me when I get unruly is to put me in a corner and send me somewhere and completely ignore me. I don't know why, but it ALWAYS knocks me right back into place.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 1:57:16 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear mistresszariah1, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
If I had such a unruly submissive, I usually spread some uncooked rice, birdseed, fish tank gravel, kitty litter and or my favorite the sand like oil absorber that auto mechanics use on an area.  Have the submissive naked and barefoot.  Have them squat unsupported in the middle of these rough textured goodies.  Have them cuffed with arms behind their neck and remain balanced.  You can then slide a broom stick or rod and then start hanging things from the pole to add weight and shift the balance.  If he/she looses balance and anything other than the feet touch the floor--starts all over again.
 
In time their body muscles will ache and scream with cramps if they aren't accustom to 'invisible bondage.'
 
I have other severe discipline techniques but, this is my favorite.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 2:03:27 PM   
MistressWolfen


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Status: offline 		O I like that one too LadyHugs my favorite is pea gravel or rice, I find having them kneel allows for an even more intense disciplinary session. But, as you have stated it is extreme and should be used for indiscretions that warrant such correction.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 2:10:55 PM   
DiurnalVampire


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Status: offline 		My personal favorite punishment is chastity. Very long chastity, but without the teasing that usualy comes with it. I'll place them in and then ignore their existance until they have come to be groveling and begging to be forvgiven for what they did wrong.  I have never had to punish a pet more than once that way before they learned.  Pain works, but thsi si by far the most effective Ive used since my boys are used to me bing overly affectionate and very contact oriented.  Take that away for a few hours and they feel it. A few days and they are ready to do anything to amke it up.

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 2:11:26 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear MistressWolfen, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
The only thing about kneeling, is having the lad/lass in a three-pointed balance which doesn't require self balance as much as on the balls of your feet and in a squat.
 
My second favorite is using gravel, etc. and have the nose of the unruly one hold a dime against the wall.  If it moves, it starts all over again. 
 
What I like of having such things as uncooked rice, birdseed, fish tank gravel, kitty litter, oil shop absorbing and pea gravel, is that the unruly one can void their body waste and have no excuse to leave that 'discipline position.'  Saves from them asking to be excused.
 
Oh--Itching powder on the feet pads is fun as well.  Pine cones if in season; all sorts of nice goodies to make a person regret messing with a sadist.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 2:19:11 PM   
Bearlee


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quote:

ORIGINAL: impishlilhellcat
In all honesty and I can't believe I'm admitting this <cringes> the best thing that absolutely works for me when I get unruly is to put me in a corner and send me somewhere and completely ignore me. I don't know why, but it ALWAYS knocks me right back into place.


Cat, I too respond to being sat facing a wall to ‘think about things’.  I don’t understand why it works…I am NO fan of ‘punishment’ for grown women; but it works (go figure).  Generally speaking, I’m not unruly or disobedient…but this works for being sullen or frustrated, too.

It’s only happened once, and I had to follow it up with a paper on what I’d thought about.  Lordy…nothing like being put in your place!  LOL

Regarding being 'unruly' or wild... I've told slaves I've played with (topped) that I have no intention of ‘wrestling’ submission from them.  One in particular seems to think I’m not taking enough control…and tries to enlist it from me with bad behavior.  I just refuse to play; he gets compliant quick enough then.  

ROFL... have I mentioned I'm no Domme?  The thing is…I believe one should WANT to please their Dom/me or Top.  I don’t want to beat submission outta anybody (as if I could!).  I feel submission, including bottoming, should be freely given just because the person wants to PLEASE the other.  For me…that’s a pure and simple definition of what submission is. 

((Just to be clear…doing things to please the Dom/me does NOT (in my book) mean being a door-mat.  It does include being able to hold a feisty conversation on many topics, having an opinion and being to state it.))


< Message edited by Bearlee -- 7/3/2006 2:29:50 PM >

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 2:27:24 PM   
MistressWolfen


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Status: offline 		O clever LadyHugs, I hadn't thought of the balance perspective and was going straight for neural stimlui around the joint. The squat would involve larger muscle groups and be a total body experience wouldn't it?

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 5:02:13 PM   
cynthiamarie


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quote:

hmmm...I think the humbler would come out at about this point and be tied quite snuggly to the back D ring of a posture collar. Get a cuppa coffee, sit down, put your feet up and say "wiggle out of that one pet" *evil chuckle*


OMG

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RE: what do you do with an unruly sub - 7/3/2006 5:47:19 PM   
Vendaval


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Status: offline 		A straight-jacket, spreader bars and iron cuffs for the legs,
ball gag and a hood, and a chastity belt for starting ideas.
 
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