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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 4:04:44 AM   
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That's a fact.  You bite the hand that feeds you, pretty fucking unprincipled.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 4:27:18 AM   
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Yeah, you are on Obamacare and a house of the living dead retiree, we dont need your help.

That's a fact.  You bite the hand that feeds you, pretty fucking unprincipled.


Harsh but fair old bean, harsh but fair.

It always amazes me how many on here who are against "big government" have been happy to collect a pay cheque.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 7:09:20 AM   
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He is just making a very good point. It is the insurance companies that refused to bring policies into compliance with the law or made changes outside the grandfathering provisions. The government did not.

how could they possibly stay the same? if the requirement for compliance is to expand coverage & include stuff that wasn't previously included, then the cost to policyholders would have to change also.. imo.. (not that I am feeling sympathy for the insurance corps cuz they should have been totally kicked to the curb in the first place, imo)..

There were provisions for grandfathered policies. The insurance companies chose to cancel policies rather than stay within the guidelines.


This is complete and utter bull shit.

The *better* coverage, the better provider networks, the *better* doctors in the old plans could not compete with the compliant crap offered by the ACA.

Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage. All other plans that were canceled are entirely due to a choice made by the insurance company.


Bullshit, You are saying the state insurance commissioners don't know what the fuck they are doing? They just allow "junk" policies? Yeah, in the Dimocrat world! And please give us the names of hospitals that refused treatment that caused the deaths of the uninsured. In sue crazy America, a hospital that refused treatment that resulted in death would be sued out of existance. Nice try though.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 7:15:30 AM   
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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 7:29:15 AM   
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You say that you've had health problems recently. Where did you get your coverage ? I have an ill family member who is covered by Medicare. What Medicare doesn't pick up, Medicaid takes over. His medications alone cost over $1,400 a month. He's 39.

There were better options to bring health care cost down and help those who can't help themselves. Fuckin up every one else isn't it. I just don't know how to address your postings above. If you really think Obama wasn't lying about keeping your plan, you're either delusional or in denial.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/?s=lies+of+obamacare&x=0&y=0

I have one of the illnesses covered by Medicare. People with diabetes are not so "lucky." Neither are people with Lupus and any number of other life threatening chronic conditions.

The President may have lied, there were a lot of the junk policies out there that would never qualify for grandfather status, but the fact is those people didn't really have insurance that covered anything. Everyone else that got canceled got canceled due to the insurance companies refusing to comply with the law. That is not an issue the President could control.


That's funny Ken, the family member I'm referring to has diabetes and its complications, stroke, heart attacks, kidney problems and all the rest if it. So it's obvious to me you made that up.

There weren't as many substandard plans out there that you seem to indicate. You're spinning for the president. All the stories I'm getting from people affected by cancelations say they liked their plans. A few of these people are quite sick including cancer who won't have their same doctors and treatment options starting in January. If I was to believe what you're saying I would have to infer these millions of people are so stupid that they couldn't manage to purchase a decent plan or that there weren't any decent plans available.


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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 7:34:45 AM   
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But, the fault will lay where it lies plainly then.



HA!

Here... The Paper of Record all but portraying the President as a weepy, grief stricken victim, questioning his authority and wondering who will ride in to help of Senate & House Democrats in 2014

Happy now...

A Contrite Obama Unveils a Health Fix


And why again did the Democrats allow the shut down of the Federal Government when all they had to do to keep it open was to delay the individual mandate for a year (like was done for corporations) which is pretty much what will happen now when insurance companies don't "uncancel"????

Why indeed did the Democrats shut down the Federal Government when all they had to do was do what Obama just did...the exactly same thing that Obama, the Dems and the msm castigated Ted Cruz et al Tea Partiers for wanting to do. Ah yes...the blatant despicable hypocrisy of Obama and the Dems.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 7:36:02 AM   
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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 8:23:44 AM   
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He is just making a very good point. It is the insurance companies that refused to bring policies into compliance with the law or made changes outside the grandfathering provisions. The government did not.

how could they possibly stay the same? if the requirement for compliance is to expand coverage & include stuff that wasn't previously included, then the cost to policyholders would have to change also.. imo.. (not that I am feeling sympathy for the insurance corps cuz they should have been totally kicked to the curb in the first place, imo)..

There were provisions for grandfathered policies. The insurance companies chose to cancel policies rather than stay within the guidelines.


This is complete and utter bull shit.

The *better* coverage, the better provider networks, the *better* doctors in the old plans could not compete with the compliant crap offered by the ACA.

Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage. All other plans that were canceled are entirely due to a choice made by the insurance company.


Bullshit, You are saying the state insurance commissioners don't know what the fuck they are doing? They just allow "junk" policies? Yeah, in the Dimocrat world! And please give us the names of hospitals that refused treatment that caused the deaths of the uninsured. In sue crazy America, a hospital that refused treatment that resulted in death would be sued out of existance. Nice try though.

Yes, they allow junk policies. There were policies that covered no hospitalization at all or had ridiculously low annual or lifetime limits. This woman's plan for instance:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115457/obamacare-victim-florida-happy-she-can-get-real-coverage

Hospitals refuse treatment all the time. The only thing they are required to do is if you come into the ER they have to stabilize you. Everything else is fee for service. That's why you see fund raisers for sick people who need some expensive surgery or treatment.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 8:24:55 AM   
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You say that you've had health problems recently. Where did you get your coverage ? I have an ill family member who is covered by Medicare. What Medicare doesn't pick up, Medicaid takes over. His medications alone cost over $1,400 a month. He's 39.

There were better options to bring health care cost down and help those who can't help themselves. Fuckin up every one else isn't it. I just don't know how to address your postings above. If you really think Obama wasn't lying about keeping your plan, you're either delusional or in denial.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/?s=lies+of+obamacare&x=0&y=0

I have one of the illnesses covered by Medicare. People with diabetes are not so "lucky." Neither are people with Lupus and any number of other life threatening chronic conditions.

The President may have lied, there were a lot of the junk policies out there that would never qualify for grandfather status, but the fact is those people didn't really have insurance that covered anything. Everyone else that got canceled got canceled due to the insurance companies refusing to comply with the law. That is not an issue the President could control.


That's funny Ken, the family member I'm referring to has diabetes and its complications, stroke, heart attacks, kidney problems and all the rest if it. So it's obvious to me you made that up.

Your relative got a disability finding. That is not automatic for diabetes.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 10:30:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
He is just making a very good point. It is the insurance companies that refused to bring policies into compliance with the law or made changes outside the grandfathering provisions. The government did not.

how could they possibly stay the same? if the requirement for compliance is to expand coverage & include stuff that wasn't previously included, then the cost to policyholders would have to change also.. imo.. (not that I am feeling sympathy for the insurance corps cuz they should have been totally kicked to the curb in the first place, imo)..

There were provisions for grandfathered policies. The insurance companies chose to cancel policies rather than stay within the guidelines.


This is complete and utter bull shit.

The *better* coverage, the better provider networks, the *better* doctors in the old plans could not compete with the compliant crap offered by the ACA.

Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage. All other plans that were canceled are entirely due to a choice made by the insurance company.


Bullshit, You are saying the state insurance commissioners don't know what the fuck they are doing? They just allow "junk" policies? Yeah, in the Dimocrat world! And please give us the names of hospitals that refused treatment that caused the deaths of the uninsured. In sue crazy America, a hospital that refused treatment that resulted in death would be sued out of existance. Nice try though.

Yes, they allow junk policies. There were policies that covered no hospitalization at all or had ridiculously low annual or lifetime limits. This woman's plan for instance:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115457/obamacare-victim-florida-happy-she-can-get-real-coverage

Hospitals refuse treatment all the time. The only thing they are required to do is if you come into the ER they have to stabilize you. Everything else is fee for service. That's why you see fund raisers for sick people who need some expensive surgery or treatment.

And if you'r on welfare, what do you care what anything cost? Bill me, I'll surly pay! lol lol lol

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 10:55:34 AM   
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Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage.


Proof?




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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 11:11:38 AM   
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Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage.


Proof?

Read the story I linked above it demonstrates the reality for one of the right's stories about someone losing their coverage. You could also go looking for the percentage of plans that did not qualify to be grandfathered before any price hikes. Those plans were all junk plans.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 12:12:05 PM   
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Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage.


Proof?

Read the story I linked above it demonstrates the reality for one of the right's stories about someone losing their coverage. You could also go looking for the percentage of plans that did not qualify to be grandfathered before any price hikes. Those plans were all junk plans.


As you post. the reality of "ONE" of the ........... You spin that ALL policies that were cancelled by Obama's bullshit were junk. You think Insurance Commissioners are there to just rubber stamp whatever the insurance companies give them? What about the Commissioners that are Democrat or Liberal?
Are they "rubber stampers too?"

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 12:16:54 PM   
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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 1:13:12 PM   
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If it is inside the current law and meets the minimum standards of the state, I dont give a fuck if they are Nazis or North Koreans, those Insurance Commissioners, they rubber stamp it, its the fuckin law. End of Joke.


Don't you mean if it meets the standards set up and approved by the state?

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 1:34:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		nearly, in fact I said something almost exactly like that if you place minimum correctly in your sentence.  And I meant it.  I suppose I could have included an or exceeds clause as well. One tires of typing.

For instance in Minnesota you can't just cancel health policies, you have to offer an alternative policy.  Been that way for years.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 2:30:12 PM   
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nearly, in fact I said something almost exactly like that if you place minimum correctly in your sentence.  And I meant it.  I suppose I could have included an or exceeds clause as well. One tires of typing.

For instance in Minnesota you can't just cancel health policies, you have to offer an alternative policy.  Been that way for years.


You try to spin that the nasty insurance companies say, "here are your policies! like it or lump it!
The Insurance Commishiner holds the aces. He has a state full of customers the insurance company wants. The Insurance Co has to kiss the Commishiner's ass. If the Commishiner is good, the people get a fair deal.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 3:10:17 PM   
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You ever hear of combined insurance?  Sells in every fucking state.



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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 3:54:55 PM   
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Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage.


Proof?

Read the story I linked above it demonstrates the reality for one of the right's stories about someone losing their coverage. You could also go looking for the percentage of plans that did not qualify to be grandfathered before any price hikes. Those plans were all junk plans.


As you post. the reality of "ONE" of the ........... You spin that ALL policies that were cancelled by Obama's bullshit were junk. You think Insurance Commissioners are there to just rubber stamp whatever the insurance companies give them? What about the Commissioners that are Democrat or Liberal?
Are they "rubber stampers too?"

lie. I wrote "The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage. All other plans that were canceled are entirely due to a choice made by the insurance company. "
The plans that were not eligible for grandfather status were junk plans that did not come anywhere near the minimum standards of the regulation. the rest were canceled by the insurance companies choice.

As to insurance commissioners, maybe you don't understand this thing called laws? If the plans had been legal before the ACA, they were in some states, what precisely could the insurance commissioner do?

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/15/2013 8:18:04 PM   
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Bullshit. The plans that could not be grandfathered were junk plans that offered almost no coverage.

Proof?

Read the story I linked above it demonstrates the reality for one of the right's stories about someone losing their coverage. You could also go looking for the percentage of plans that did not qualify to be grandfathered before any price hikes. Those plans were all junk plans.


So, I have to go prove your allegations?

One "story" about someone losing coverage doesn't mean all those plans were junk plans.

Why would anyone buy a "junk plan" to begin with? Methinks you're passing judgement about a plan that someone else very well could have happily chosen. Now? No choice for you!

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