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thishereboi -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 6:11:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Bill Maher BLASTS selfish Christian hypocrites who don't tip waiters On Friday night, Bill Maher delivered a great New Rule blasting conservatives who call themselves Christians, and yet show themselves to be little more than selfish assholes, notably when it comes to tipping the wait staff. And finally, New Rule: It's OK if you don't want to feed the hungry, or heal the sick, or house the homeless. Just don't say you're doing it for their own good. Don't say you'd like to help people, but your hands are tied because if you did, it would cause a culture of dependency, or go against the Bible, or worst of all, rob them of their freedom... to be sick and hungry. Just admit you're selfish, and based on how little your beliefs mirror the actual teachings of Jesus, you might as well claim to worship Despicable Me. [Other examples] I don't know what the snake-handlers have against the food-handlers, or when restaurant receipts became the new bully pulpit, but there was another story recently, this one from Kansas, where instead of a tip, a Christian family left their server, who they knew was gay, this note: Thank you for your service, it was excellent. That being said, we cannot in good conscience top you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD. Queers do not share in the wealth of GOD, and you will not share in ours. [image]http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/56994/large/MaherTipping-god.jpg[/image] Note they repeat the phrase "not share", to really drive home that they've absorbed the message of Jesus. Watch video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN9FPKai3Ik So we don't know if they were christians and we don't know if they were conservatives but just for shits and giggles we will talk about how awful those people are. Why am I not surprised? [8\|]

DaddySatyr -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 6:13:51 AM)
I have always been a very good tipper (I start at 25% and they go up or down from there) because I'm a bit fussy about my food and drink. When I'm spending $75 at a restaurant, I expect to get things the way I want them. To be perfectly honest; I have always found the servers I thought to be gay to be *better* than the ones I believe to be straight. Sure, it's a guess but my gaydar is pretty accurate. Having said all that, I think there's always a chance that there's a little something extra going on, here. I'm pretty sure I remember that one of these instances (A waitress claiming she was stiffed because of the Zimmerman verdict) was pretty much proven to be a hoax and with the high percentage of servers just being actors, waiting on a gig, I always stop to wonder if we're not being duped. I'm not saying it happened in this case. I'm not saying it has ever definitively happened. I'm saying I always wonder if it's a chance. Lastly, this young lady is supposed to be a Marine. That the *thought* of doing something like spitting in peoples' food even occurred is a bit troubling. Also, her saying so perpetuates a stereotype that makes some people reticent of going to restaurants, in the first place. There's plenty of chastising to go around.

thishereboi -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 6:14:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK See, this is the type of behavior that has me embarrassed to claim Christianity as my religion. Those ppl's actions were NOT Christian at all. That lady needs some Jesus in her life! Poor kids, growin up...seeing that hate. I am not embarrassed to be a christian because of others actions any more than I am embarrassed to be gay because there are pedophiles out there. If you dig into any group you are going to find hateful little asshats. That is just part of life.

Marc2b -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 7:29:55 AM)
This pisses me off on so many levels. I hate obnoxious, self-righteous bigots. I hate people who don't tip (or give lousy tips) for whatever bullshit reason they have. And to top it all off they are (as LadyPact pointed out) cowards who didn't even have the decency to tell it to her face but wrote a nasty little note and then slinked out of the restaurant. Utterly contemptible.

MasterCaneman -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 9:58:23 AM)
As someone who's worked in the restaurant/bar industry and relied on tips for my income, as well as considering myself Christian (R.C.), I'm offended by the actions of that family, and I'd hope that they reconsider their tack of using Him as an excuse for being cheap, which I suspect is really the case. That said, the server's comments about spitting in their food steps over another line, so in football terms, I'd say it was an offsetting penalty. Neither are acceptable, and both parties should think about cause and effect regarding their actions.

popeye1250 -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 2:55:43 PM)
I would have written on the back of the ticket; "Here's 20% for great service, there'll be another $100 if we can watch you and your partner drill each other, your place or ours."

kalikshama -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 3:46:05 PM)
quote: So we don't know if they were christians and we don't know if they were conservatives but just for shits and giggles we will talk about how awful those people are. Why am I not surprised? I was raised Catholic, am now Unitarian, went to church Sunday, and was delighted when my minister said "Go Hawaii!" during our Candles of Joy or Concern segment, and the congregation applauded. Before I posted the Bill Maher bit, I wasn't able to confirm one way or the other about the homophobic couple in the OP. However, is there any doubt about the religion of people who leave fake $10 bills as tips? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254527/-MUST-SEE-Bill-Maher-BLASTS-selfish-Christian-hypocrites-who-don-t-tip-waiters And if you're a waiter or waitress in the Bible Belt, you may very well have seen one of these. [image]http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/56992/large/MaherTipping-10front.jpg[/image] It's a phony $10 dollar bill that Christians sometimes leave on the table in lieu of an actual tip. It looks like a $10, so you get the benefit of giving poor people hope, and then crushing it, but on the back it says, "Some things are better than money ... like your eternal salvation that was bought and paid for by Jesus going to the cross." [image]http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/56991/large/MaherTipping-10back.jpg[/image]

thishereboi -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 4:24:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: So we don't know if they were christians and we don't know if they were conservatives but just for shits and giggles we will talk about how awful those people are. Why am I not surprised? I was raised Catholic, am now Unitarian, went to church Sunday, and was delighted when my minister said "Go Hawaii!" during our Candles of Joy or Concern segment, and the congregation applauded. Before I posted the Bill Maher bit, I wasn't able to confirm one way or the other about the homophobic couple in the OP. However, is there any doubt about the religion of people who leave fake $10 bills as tips? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/10/1254527/-MUST-SEE-Bill-Maher-BLASTS-selfish-Christian-hypocrites-who-don-t-tip-waiters And if you're a waiter or waitress in the Bible Belt, you may very well have seen one of these. [image]http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/56992/large/MaherTipping-10front.jpg[/image] It's a phony $10 dollar bill that Christians sometimes leave on the table in lieu of an actual tip. It looks like a $10, so you get the benefit of giving poor people hope, and then crushing it, but on the back it says, "Some things are better than money ... like your eternal salvation that was bought and paid for by Jesus going to the cross." [image]http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/56991/large/MaherTipping-10back.jpg[/image] Yes, some people are assholes. I never denied that. I just get sick of people claiming they represent us all.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 5:14:33 PM)
She had my sympathy until I read the email she sent to Have a Gay Day and then posted on her Facebook account. quote: I am THOROUGHLY offended mad pissed off and hurt that THIS is what her kids will grow up learning and that I served in the Marines to keep ignorant people like them free. Sorry lady but I don't agree with YOUR lifestyle and the way you're raising your kids but you didn't see me throwing that in your face and giving you shitty service. Keep your damn mouth shut and pray we never cross paths again. So, she wants to spit in their food and they need to pray they never cross paths with her again. I would say that she is as big an asshole as they are.

TNDommeK -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 7:54:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK See, this is the type of behavior that has me embarrassed to claim Christianity as my religion. Those ppl's actions were NOT Christian at all. That lady needs some Jesus in her life! Poor kids, growin up...seeing that hate. I am not embarrassed to be a christian because of others actions any more than I am embarrassed to be gay because there are pedophiles out there. If you dig into any group you are going to find hateful little asshats. That is just part of life. Yea but damn! Lol I see the looks on ppl's faces when I say what I am. They automatically have flashes of ppl like this mom or Westboro. shakes head Then I quickly explain how I'm not a radical lunatic. But more so believe in God and try to live as right as I can.

sloguy02246 -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 10:31:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman As someone who's worked in the restaurant/bar industry and relied on tips for my income, as well as considering myself Christian (R.C.), I'm offended by the actions of that family, and I'd hope that they reconsider their tack of using Him as an excuse for being cheap, which I suspect is really the case. That said, the server's comments about spitting in their food steps over another line, so in football terms, I'd say it was an offsetting penalty. Neither are acceptable, and both parties should think about cause and effect regarding their actions. There were no offsetting penalties as there was only one actual offense. She never spit in their food (only threatened to do it after the fact), but they did stiff her on the tip. No flag on the waitress - $20 penalty on the diners - automatic first down. Also, I would like to see some responses on here from other posters who have or presently wait tables about their tipping experiences.

xxblushesxx -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/18/2013 11:55:10 PM)
Noooo!!!! The tipping threads are as bad as the findom threads and the "real and true" threads. Just do a quick search. You'll find plenty!

Kirata -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 1:55:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren So much for "Christian" compassion, about love the sin and hate the sinner, etc..religious people complain that they are targeted for abuse, are called intolerant and mean and such, but where is the outrage for them at this stupid, stupid family? Evangelicals claim to be spreading the love of God, yet they are routinely like this, judgmental, mean, etc. It is funny, years ago there was a case... Oddly enough, there's a case of sorts right here. How do you know they were Christian, let alone evangelicals (they weren't doing any evangelizing) or even religious at all? Answer: You don't. So I guess that makes you just like them. K.

angelikaJ -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 2:17:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub She had my sympathy until I read the email she sent to Have a Gay Day and then posted on her Facebook account. quote: I am THOROUGHLY offended mad pissed off and hurt that THIS is what her kids will grow up learning and that I served in the Marines to keep ignorant people like them free. Sorry lady but I don't agree with YOUR lifestyle and the way you're raising your kids but you didn't see me throwing that in your face and giving you shitty service. Keep your damn mouth shut and pray we never cross paths again. So, she wants to spit in their food and they need to pray they never cross paths with her again. I would say that she is as big an asshole as they are. Wanting to and doing it are 2 different things. And she didn't do it. You don't think she has a right to be angry? She gave them good service. And they were kinda rude to her from the beginning when they made the remark about her name. I think you and I grew up in a very different world in which every belch and hiccup isn't being declared over social media. I don't have an issue with her publicly being angry. It isn't how I would do things, and it isn't necessarily the most diplomatic way of doing things... somehow I don't think she will end up on Ellen, but when I am really pissed off about something I don't usually have my finest moments either. Imagine how it might be to not be paid for a specific job because they didn't like your blouse that day, and they told you. You wouldn't spout off to someone?

DomKen -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 3:31:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren the gay guys must put on a beautiful wedding"). I know a wedding planner and she says she is fully booked for next summer and all the venues she uses are as well since the marriage equality law here passed, it goes into effect June 1. Which means caterers, wedding photographers, florists, bands etc.. It will be a nice boost to the local economy.

DomKen -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 3:36:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: njlauren So much for "Christian" compassion, about love the sin and hate the sinner, etc..religious people complain that they are targeted for abuse, are called intolerant and mean and such, but where is the outrage for them at this stupid, stupid family? Evangelicals claim to be spreading the love of God, yet they are routinely like this, judgmental, mean, etc. It is funny, years ago there was a case where some of the morality police were able to pressure a hotel into canceling a leather event called "Beat Me in St. Louis", from a Howard Johnson's hotel there (the event had the whole hotel booked, so no 'vanillas' would be put out). I got involved (turns out the corporate parent of Howard Johnson's hotels literally is in my back yard), and the hotel chain as a result issued rules to their hotels telling them not to ever do what the hotel in St. Louis did, that their basic credo was as long as the groups activities were legal and were willing to be accommodating when concerns about mixing with others in the hotel were concerned i.e being discrete where needed, everyone was welcome.I spoke to someone at the headquarters (literally made an appointment to talk to them) and the woman laughed, said they got feedback from employees at the hotel, who said the leather people were fun to work with, were good tippers and were just great people. Meanwhile, not long before, some evangelical conference was there,and the employees said that they never worked with a nastier group of people, complained about everything, and often refused to tip, claiming that a good job done is reward enough and other BS...... Yes they were assholes. They are obviously bigoted toward gays. They look at the actions of one and apply it to the whole group. And we all know that is wrong. To turn around and try to paint all christians as hateful because of this is just as wrong. Now there were all kinds of things you could have said about the couple who actually did this, but instead you felt to use this to further your hatred towards christians. How are you any better than they are? lauren was quite careful to never bash all Christians. Why are you claiming she did?

Kirata -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 4:19:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen lauren was quite careful to never bash all Christians. Why are you claiming she did? And where, precisely, is it reported that they were Christians? K.

kalikshama -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 8:34:40 AM)
quote: Also, I would like to see some responses on here from other posters who have or presently wait tables about their tipping experiences. The best tips I received was during my brief career as a barmaid in a strip club...which lasted until my girlfriend ratted me out for being under 18. It was quite some time until I was able to earn that much per hour again. I've only worked part time waitressing, and never at high end places. It was never enough to live on. For example, one waitressing gig was while I was collecting unemployment, receiving the GI Bill, and going to school. If you'd like to learn more about how restaurant workers are treated, I highly recommend this book, which was a Unitarian Universalist Common Read, and available in my library system: Behind the Kitchen Door A discussion guide for Behind the Kitchen Door, the 2013-14 Unitarian Universalist Association (UUA) Common Read, is now online (PDF, 20 pages). Download one, two, or three 90-minute workshops to lead a congregational group to respond to the book. In Behind the Kitchen Door (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 2013), author Saru Jayaraman reveals how restaurant workers live on some of the lowest wages in America and how poor working conditions—discriminatory labor practices, exploitation, and unsanitary kitchens—affect the meals that arrive at our restaurant tables. The author, who launched a national restaurant workers organization after 9/11, tells the stories of ten restaurant workers in cities across the United States as she explores the political, economic, and moral implications of eating out: What’s at stake when we choose a restaurant is not only our own health or “foodie” experience but also the health and well-being of the second largest private sector workforce—10 million people, many immigrants, many people of color, who bring passion, tenacity, and insight into the American dining experience. Behind the Kitchen Door invites Unitarian Universalists to intentionally consider their practices in restaurant dining. It makes visible the lives of people who are subject to discrimination and oppression based on economic status, race, ethnicity, gender, and/or immigration status. Common Read groups are encouraged to let Behind the Kitchen Door inspire follow-up action, such as advocacy for just working conditions for restaurant workers, as part of a commitment to ethical eating. Use the UUA's economic justice resources to learn about minimum wage campaign and actions you and your congregation can take to help Behind the Kitchen Door is available from the UUA Bookstore.

DomKen -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 8:41:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen lauren was quite careful to never bash all Christians. Why are you claiming she did? And where, precisely, is it reported that they were Christians? K. lauren reported a local newspaper found the family and they are evangelicals. Maybe you should read the thread.

DomKen -> RE: -=No tip for waitress, cause she's gay=- (11/19/2013 8:46:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: Also, I would like to see some responses on here from other posters who have or presently wait tables about their tipping experiences. The best tips I received was during my brief career as a barmaid in a strip club...which lasted until my girlfriend ratted me out for being under 18. It was quite some time until I was able to earn that much per hour again. I've only worked part time waitressing, and never at high end places. It was never enough to live on. For example, one waitressing gig was while I was collecting unemployment, receiving the GI Bill, and going to school. I worked in the service industry quite a bit in high school and college. Bartenders and barmaids pretty uniformly get tipped better than servers. A lot of good white tablecloth places have had to institute a minimum gratuity due to how pathetically some people tip, of course why profitable businesses can't simply pay their servers a decent wage is another discussion. Of course those high end places often pool tips and everyone in the front of the house, servers, host, bartenders, busboys etc. gets a share.

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