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farglebargle -> Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 1:11:07 PM)
To benefit Wal-Mart Employees. Please donate so that your other Wal-Mart associates can eat this thanksgiving. You know, because as Wal-Mart employees, they're not paid enough to feed their families.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 1:33:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle To benefit Wal-Mart Employees. Please donate so that your other Wal-Mart associates can eat this thanksgiving. You know, because as Wal-Mart employees, they're not paid enough to feed their families. My last employer had a room full of donated food items for employees that needed help providing food. Damn auto manufacturer must not have been paying enough... [8\|]

joether -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 1:54:41 PM)
The difference is DS, Wal-Mart is a VERY large company with gross income measured in the billions. An that for 90% of employees are paid at minimum wage of that area ($7.25 unless higher by city/state). Most of those employees have families to take care of, and the total hourly rate even with four hours bring them in under the poverty line. To make ends meet, they obtain local, state, and federal assistance on a wide range of items: food, heating, shelter, cloths, reduced meal prices for children, etc. And WHO is picking up that tab, DS? You, me, and the rest of America. So Wal-Mart is getting big net profits, giving its executives huge bonuses, while we, the Americans, offset their employee's expenses. I know quite a few conservative minded individuals on here (not to mention in the USA) that HATE having their taxes go towards these programs, yet turn a blind eye when its US Companies setting the circumstances up that force fellow Americans into these situations. Its hard to take a company seriously that treats its employees like trash for exploitation. Nor do business unless I absolutely have to! I'll pay the higher price for a shovel at a local store than saving two dollars from Wal-Mart, as the company I buy the shovel from treats its employees much better. Go look on the 'country of origin' for much of what Wal-Mart sells. The answer 'China' will come up most often (particularly with toys). Conservatives do a huge amount of business with Wal-Mart (that company knows who its target audiences are and aren't). They have been conditioned over decades to 'buy from the lowest price without exception'. So are sending US Dollars straight to China. An that sends jobs to China as well. Also helps keep that mighty trade deficit America experiences with China in place, year after year.

Yachtie -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 3:17:28 PM)
fr No one is forced to work for WM.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 5:47:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie fr No one is forced to work for WM. Indeed not, given as there are millions of better jobs out there with no one wanting them maybe they should get their shit together and do those wonderfully well paid jobs instead. Or.....maybe it's the only fucking job they can do Or maybe they would be better off not working and leeching off some more tax dollars from all the hard working Americans But you're right of course, no one is forced to work for Wall Mart even if their wages are so low they can't afford to buy ammo for their guns or get help when they are sick

Zonie63 -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 6:43:36 PM)
Well, I suppose one could use one's Wal-Mart experience and work at Target or K-Mart. I don't know if those are any better places to work, but it seems like the same kind of work. I suppose it depends on where one lives and what job options are available.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 9:26:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether The difference is DS, Wal-Mart is a VERY large company with gross income measured in the billions. An that for 90% of employees are paid at minimum wage of that area ($7.25 unless higher by city/state). http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-employees-pay quote: The average Walmart "associate," Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. You might want to update your files against WalMart. Apparently, they pay a bit more than you think. quote: Most of those employees have families to take care of, and the total hourly rate even with four hours bring them in under the poverty line. To make ends meet, they obtain local, state, and federal assistance on a wide range of items: food, heating, shelter, cloths, reduced meal prices for children, etc. And WHO is picking up that tab, DS? You, me, and the rest of America. So Wal-Mart is getting big net profits, giving its executives huge bonuses, while we, the Americans, offset their employee's expenses. I know quite a few conservative minded individuals on here (not to mention in the USA) that HATE having their taxes go towards these programs, yet turn a blind eye when its US Companies setting the circumstances up that force fellow Americans into these situations. Its hard to take a company seriously that treats its employees like trash for exploitation. Nor do business unless I absolutely have to! I'll pay the higher price for a shovel at a local store than saving two dollars from Wal-Mart, as the company I buy the shovel from treats its employees much better. Go look on the 'country of origin' for much of what Wal-Mart sells. The answer 'China' will come up most often (particularly with toys). Conservatives do a huge amount of business with Wal-Mart (that company knows who its target audiences are and aren't). They have been conditioned over decades to 'buy from the lowest price without exception'. So are sending US Dollars straight to China. An that sends jobs to China as well. Also helps keep that mighty trade deficit America experiences with China in place, year after year. Where do you shop that doesn't source stuff from China, Joether? You have every right to decide where you spend your income. If you don't like how a business treats its employees, you don't have to shop there. Understand, too, that employees of a particular store (doesn't matter what store) are generally not forced to work for that company (there are Mom and Pop stores that might force their kids to work at the store). Apparently, there are people who are willing to work for WalMart at the wages WalMart pays. Why?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 9:28:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie fr No one is forced to work for WM. Indeed not, given as there are millions of better jobs out there with no one wanting them maybe they should get their shit together and do those wonderfully well paid jobs instead. Or.....maybe it's the only fucking job they can do If that is the only job they can do, why do they merit a higher wage?

DomKen -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 10:00:31 PM)
No matter what number you find, one thing is clear, Wal-Mart pays below the industry average. That forces down wages throughout the economy and many of its retail employees do qualify for various forms of welfare. Why precisely should the US subsidize the employees of a company whose profits run into the tens of billions of dollars a year? How much does Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, contribute to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/opinion/krugman-a-permanent-slump.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1& Demand is certainly depressed by the low wages paid to Wal-Mart employees.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 10:04:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No matter what number you find, one thing is clear, Wal-Mart pays below the industry average. That forces down wages throughout the economy and many of its retail employees do qualify for various forms of welfare. Why precisely should the US subsidize the employees of a company whose profits run into the tens of billions of dollars a year? How much does Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, contribute to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/opinion/krugman-a-permanent-slump.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1& Demand is certainly depressed by the low wages paid to Wal-Mart employees. What happens when demand drops, Ken? Or, what should happen when demand drops? Shouldn't prices drop, too?

SadistDave -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 11:39:57 PM)
I've done the whole holiday meal on a budget thing. It's not that difficult to make an excellent meal on a budget. Even so, I can't think of a single holiday that doesn't leave my inbox overflowing with invitations for potluck meals to celebrate. One dish is a pretty inexpensive way to have a delightful time with friends and family. If anyone is too fucking stupid to figure it out a way to put out a holiday spread on the cheap, or if they're such douchebags that no one wants them in their homes for a potluck dinner, then maybe they just shouldn't celebrate holidays. This isn't a WalMart issue, it's a stupid people issue. -SD-

directiveerror -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/18/2013 11:43:40 PM)
i'm one of those retail grinders and i dont have to worry about paying for thanksgiving because i'm working all day that day

DomKen -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 2:53:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No matter what number you find, one thing is clear, Wal-Mart pays below the industry average. That forces down wages throughout the economy and many of its retail employees do qualify for various forms of welfare. Why precisely should the US subsidize the employees of a company whose profits run into the tens of billions of dollars a year? How much does Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, contribute to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/opinion/krugman-a-permanent-slump.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1& Demand is certainly depressed by the low wages paid to Wal-Mart employees. What happens when demand drops, Ken? Or, what should happen when demand drops? Shouldn't prices drop, too? No. That's deflation and deflation without a decrease in the money supply is a sign of an economy in its death throes.

farglebargle -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 3:21:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie fr No one is forced to work for WM. Indeed not, given as there are millions of better jobs out there with no one wanting them maybe they should get their shit together and do those wonderfully well paid jobs instead. Or.....maybe it's the only fucking job they can do If that is the only job they can do, why do they merit a higher wage? If they're going to work full time and STILL not be able to feed their kids, why bother at all? Any system that broken isn't worth participating in, I'd say. Again, ANY CORPORATION which does this, shouldn't get ONE DIME IN TAX BREAKS. If they have enough money to pay off a million dollar bonus to an executive, they have enough to pay their WHOLE TAX BILL IN FULL.

Aylee -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 4:21:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave I've done the whole holiday meal on a budget thing. It's not that difficult to make an excellent meal on a budget. Even so, I can't think of a single holiday that doesn't leave my inbox overflowing with invitations for potluck meals to celebrate. One dish is a pretty inexpensive way to have a delightful time with friends and family. If anyone is too fucking stupid to figure it out a way to put out a holiday spread on the cheap, or if they're such douchebags that no one wants them in their homes for a potluck dinner, then maybe they just shouldn't celebrate holidays. This isn't a WalMart issue, it's a stupid people issue. -SD- No, a holiday meal on a budget is not difficult. Or as you said, you could join up with others. I would like to add something else though. I think that this is great that Wal-Mart employees want to help each other out. I am a big believer in charitable giving. So YAY! I also think that families having a difficult time making ends meet should be setting aside money for the holidays all year or at least in the months prior. They need to figure out their "Latte factor" (No, I do not remember which author talks about that) and see where they can trim a bit. All that being said, each store has what? 100 to 150 employees? Statistically speaking there are going to be a few employees in each store that are having a rough time this holiday season. Through no fault of their own. Perhaps like me they have now had to put a child in daycare, and that is expensive. Perhaps they are having to drive more suddenly and are needing to buy more in fuel for their vehicle. Perhaps their children all went through a growth spurt at the same time and so clothes are having to be purchased for all. Perhaps they are suddenly needing to care for a sick parent or grandparent and so that expense has been added to their household. Honestly it does not matter. If they want to help each other out by donating things, then more power to them. I think that it is great. The OP however, is denigrating what they are doing. Instead of being pleased that they are helping each other out, he is essentially mocking their efforts and saying that they cannot do this on their own. They need someone else to do it for them. And that is just sad.

Anuser -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 4:28:17 AM)
If someone can't afford to "make an excellent meal on a budget" because they're "too fucking stupid to figure it out" or "they're such douchebags that no one wants them," then "maybe they just shouldn't celebrate holidays"? Are you trolling us? Do you live in the US? Do you know what it's like to try and feed a family of 4 on 25k/year salary? Even on a 50k/year salary it'd be tough. But seriously, I cannot believe you just posited that if someone can't scrape by they don't deserve to have a Thanksgiving. Clearly, the spirit of the holiday is not lost on you. /sarcasm

joether -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 5:12:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether The difference is DS, Wal-Mart is a VERY large company with gross income measured in the billions. An that for 90% of employees are paid at minimum wage of that area ($7.25 unless higher by city/state). http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-employees-pay The average Walmart "associate," Wake Up Walmart reports, makes $11.75 an hour. You might want to update your files against WalMart. Apparently, they pay a bit more than you think. No, actually, they really don't. In the industry, Wal-Mart is considered the leader in making employees feel like actual slaves. An seeing as most conservatives bitch of people on the welfare system should get jobs and make money; these people do just that, and they are STILL in poverty! quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Where do you shop that doesn't source stuff from China, Joether? I check what I purchased. You must throw in anything that looks neat without an ounce of consideration. You do not stop to consider the big picture. That when you buy that one toy from China, how much does it hurt the US economy? Not worth noting right? How about 10,000 Americans, each buying that toy that costs $39.99? Can that effect the US Economy? Not really. How about the few hundred toys, games, dolls, and objects within the toy are....during the Christmas rush? And across the nation? OH YEAH! So you, unwittingly and unknowing until this post, have been happily contributing to undermining the US Economy. You help ship jobs over seas, and force fellow Americans to be paid an hourly wage they can not live on, even if they go lean! quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You have every right to decide where you spend your income. If you don't like how a business treats its employees, you don't have to shop there. Understand, too, that employees of a particular store (doesn't matter what store) are generally not forced to work for that company (there are Mom and Pop stores that might force their kids to work at the store). Apparently, there are people who are willing to work for WalMart at the wages WalMart pays. Why? Have you been living on planet Mars, in a cave, with a blanket over yourself for the past seven years straight? I seem to recall that ever since the economy was tanking and heading towards an economic depression, its been an employer's market. I'm going to assume you know what an is defined by "employer's market". As such, obtaining a better job is tough when your competing with those with better educations than yourself for a job neither one of you would take during a good economy. So why don't they go get a job with a higher pay? Because there really are not many of those jobs right now. Anyone with a serious understanding of the employment conditions within the United States would agree with me. The difference between a 'ma & pa' store that forces their kids to work, and adults at Wal-Mart is VERY different on several different conditions: A ) The kids are STILL under the protection and guardianship of their parents until they are 18 years of age. B ) The parents can ground the kid by forcing them into MORE work without pay. C ) Wal-Mart has to follow all the laws of the land, as they'll be sued by individuals, organizations and the NLRB for a huge sum of money D ) Kids can pick up some really useful knowledge about their parent's business; a worker stacking shelves in Wal-Mart is NOT going to write the next #1 best seller book. Are those people working at Wal-Mart REALLY want to work there? Why not stop by the store and ask the employees and see what you get for an answer.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 5:24:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anuser Are you trolling us? Do you live in the US? Do you know what it's like to try and feed a family of 4 on 25k/year salary? Even on a 50k/year salary it'd be tough. But seriously, I cannot believe you just posited that if someone can't scrape by they don't deserve to have a Thanksgiving. Clearly, the spirit of the holiday is not lost on you. /sarcasm 25K a year??? I should be so lucky!! My income is less than half of that to keep a family of 4. And those that live in the US, the food is waay cheaper than here. The gas prices are a third of ours. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee I also think that families having a difficult time making ends meet should be setting aside money for the holidays all year or at least in the months prior. Don't you honestly think that if those families could put something aside, they would?? Try living on my income and tell me how much you could "put aside" for something like a thanksgiving or xmas celebration. Thank whoever that we have a free healthcare system and don't celebrate thanksgiving. I thank my kids for understanding that being a Pagan we don't celebrate xmas like everyone else. Sometimes, people don't realise just how fortunate they are.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 5:26:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie fr No one is forced to work for WM. Indeed not, given as there are millions of better jobs out there with no one wanting them maybe they should get their shit together and do those wonderfully well paid jobs instead. Or.....maybe it's the only fucking job they can do If that is the only job they can do, why do they merit a higher wage? If they're going to work full time and STILL not be able to feed their kids, why bother at all? Any system that broken isn't worth participating in, I'd say. Again, ANY CORPORATION which does this, shouldn't get ONE DIME IN TAX BREAKS. If they have enough money to pay off a million dollar bonus to an executive, they have enough to pay their WHOLE TAX BILL IN FULL. Any proof they don't pay off their legally due taxes? Does WalMart get a special tax break that no other grocer or retailer gets? If they do, I'm probably with you, that they shouldn't get that special break (or that every grocer/retailer get that same break). If you want to call for ending of all tax breaks for all businesses, then I'm with you, too. But, making a rule against one business/grocer/retailer without the rule applying to all isn't treating them equally.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Wal-Mart Employees' Thanksgiving Food Drive... (11/19/2013 5:27:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No matter what number you find, one thing is clear, Wal-Mart pays below the industry average. That forces down wages throughout the economy and many of its retail employees do qualify for various forms of welfare. Why precisely should the US subsidize the employees of a company whose profits run into the tens of billions of dollars a year? How much does Wal-Mart, America's largest employer, contribute to this? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/opinion/krugman-a-permanent-slump.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=1& Demand is certainly depressed by the low wages paid to Wal-Mart employees. What happens when demand drops, Ken? Or, what should happen when demand drops? Shouldn't prices drop, too? No. That's deflation and deflation without a decrease in the money supply is a sign of an economy in its death throes. Prices shouldn't drop when demand drops? Really? What should happen when demand drops, then?

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