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Republican Agenda - 11/21/2013 6:30:43 PM   
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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/22/2013 5:03:58 AM   
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funny, when I read that comic I assumed they were slamming all politicians. Are assuming that they only meant republicans because that strip leans to the left or because you honestly believe the assholes on the left are any better than the assholes on the right.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/22/2013 7:05:59 AM   
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The Republicans are unhinged from reality. IRAQ and Afghanistan cost the USA 1 Trillion Dollars. The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/22/2013 11:18:30 AM   
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The Republicans are unhinged from reality. IRAQ and Afghanistan cost the USA 1 Trillion Dollars. The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.



you didn't answer the question, then again maybe you did.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/22/2013 1:05:45 PM   
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The Republicans are unhinged from reality. IRAQ and Afghanistan cost the USA 1 Trillion Dollars. The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.


It really is a bizarre chain of weird things. None of them are good for the country.

The first is the complete breakdown of mental and emotional grip on reality. In some cases conservatives are experiencing a view that they can do no wrong....ever. That all their actions are perfect and its the Democrats and liberals that tarnish their good name. These people have their own delusion that any idea they propose has no problems or errors inherent to it, let alone the idea its untested on a national level (which usually shows a few holes). For others, its obsessive compulsion focus on one fetish or item to the expense of all others. You have those that are so against abortion in America they have justified murder and arson as being 'correct' and 'without doubt'. These people will ignore 99% of reality and focus solely on the 1% as if its the full 100%. So when people challenge them on anything, they fly into a rage spewing forth completely babble that makes no sense to anyone. Finally, the 'paranoid schizophrenics' who feel the government is out to get them for not paying some tax 31 years ago that amounts to $0.31. Many of the 'gun nuts' fall into this category believing others are trying to take their guns when in fact they are doing everything to force people to arrive at that thought whether they like to or not. Still another group is dealing with Depression. They lost elections they were told would be won in landslides, or have a government that was a feudal dictatorship with Sarah Palin as Goddess Emperor of all mankind.

And they wonder why they are not winning elections from their sane Democratic opponents....

Then we have Republicans pushing economic ideas that have no chance of succeeding, EVEN, when times are good. Their 'Trickle Down Theory'/'Supply Side Economics' has NEVER worked as indented. The view that we should as a nation do nothing on everything places a huge faith that big businesses will solve it AND keep costs lower than government. Oh, and that most of them will whine about the evil 'Liberal Nanny State' while completely pushing for the 'Conservative Nanny State'. The funny thing is, there has not been one real example of the 'Liberal Nanny State' in the country, yet scores of 'Conservative Nanny States' in the nation's history. Worst than that you might say? Most conservatives could define the 'Liberal Nanny State' but have no clue what the 'Conservative Nanny State' might be defined. An yes, Republican 'intelligence' states that giving the rich tax breaks has absolutely no effect on then nation's economy or the US Budget; which you have to be either totally insane or completely stupid to believe.

Moving on to the sciences, we find most Republicans are against it. They have little to no knowledge of even 5th grade Science let alone 1st year in college studying a science. Instead believing the 'Holy Bible' is all the science that is needed to be learned. They are quick to make use of the very technology they once bashed. Stem Cell Research has provided many useful understandings that have development treatments on a wide variety of illnesses; Republicans were against it. The idea that viruses tend to build up an immunity to medicine has been noted many times. Why? The Theory of Evolution can explain that. An who is against it without an ounce of knowledge of what they babble? Republicans. And their Tea Party lackeys. We even have the knowledge of large scale events affecting this planet. Scientists are not arguing whether the Theory of Climate Change exists or not. Nor what the causes are or aren't. They are arguing what to do about it. To most Republican/Tea Party idiots, they cling to any person who speaks out against the idea as being against the WHOLE idea. When in fact, the scientist agrees that Climate Change is taking place outside of natural conditions and by man-made effects. That's right, complete hypocrites!

An then there is the issue of JUST BEING FUCKING HUMAN. Republicans hate the idea of having to 'Love Thy Neighbor' because it interfere with them being a total asshole to others. They have no useful ideas on how to improve healthcare, since one has to 'give a damn about someone they don't know' to help them. Which should not surprise anyone that the majority of medical doctors are Democrats. That these people feel its 'ok' to blame everything on the poor, weak, and easily bullied is NOT what the founding fathers had in mind when someone was in a position of power. Or that EVERY warzone, they are happy to send the poorest among us into a meat grinder for a couple of years while their kids enjoy the best things society has to offer.

An then there is the idea that its 'ok' to attack the United States if Americans do not bow down to their threats! The Oklahoma Bombing is one such example. The partial government shutdown is another. The use of misinformation to convince the public of total lies while harshly attacking anyone financially, physically, or in other unpleasant ways of the truth and fact. That these people feel justified in using arms against their fellow citizens if they cant win in elections because the majority of people voted in a black president to the White House (cus only white people should be in white houses, right?).

I think most of us could defend the Republican/Tea Party agenda. And the grand majority of it does not have anything positive to do with America as a whole. These people are not against the seven deadly sins for example; they embrace them as achievements! These people need an enemy in order to operate; without one they wander around in their nature state....as a zombies. That 'Zero Sum' and 'Ends Justify The Means' are correct ways of thinking in a Democratic Republic. Selectively misinterpreting the US Constitution seems to be something they are good at. That's right, ignore the first 1/2 of the 2nd amendment and then take the other have an corrupt it well beyond sane limits. This is a party of fools, idiots, bigots, and the totally insane. And with hope they will keep losing elections for the next fifty years!

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/22/2013 3:02:11 PM   
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May as well keep the story going:




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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/23/2013 11:40:43 AM   
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In the spirit of disclosure in government we should have politicians wear patches for their corporate contributors on their coats like NASCAR drivers.

Then it would be easier to figure out which special interest group one is actually voting for. <grin>

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/23/2013 11:47:34 AM   
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In the spirit of disclosure in government we should have politicians wear patches for their corporate contributors on their coats like NASCAR drivers.

Then it would be easier to figure out which special interest group one is actually voting for. <grin>




That's not a bad idea.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/24/2013 3:18:01 AM   
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Did any republican vote for ACA?

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/24/2013 3:35:22 AM   
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Did any republican vote for ACA?


That depends on how you want to look at it:

The straight forward answer: No, not a single one of them voted in either the House or Senate.

The Truthful Answer:

This one is a bit more complicated...

Back when the ACA was nearing the stage for an actual vote in Congress, many Democrats (including the President) knew there was strong opposition to the bill by Republicans. One only had to observe FOX News for a few days to see the whole line up of Republican Congressmen stating they opposed it. So the President and Democrats had a televised breakfast with Republicans. In that breakfast, the President asked the Republicans (paragraphing) "What does this bill need to have in it to gain 'yay' votes from you"? The Republicans gave 10-12 answers that if those items were included they would vote in "....great numbers....". So Democrats went back, grumbled up a storm and made the changes. The bill went to the House and Senate. Republicans voted against the now watered down bill.

From a historical view, this set the Republicans up as 'dishonest' and 'untrustworthy' right from the beginning of the Obama Administration. I wonder how many of those Republicans would even realize how badly this would fuck them later on. I would like to think the more intelligent ones realized that 'going back on your word of honor' is never a good thing. How would that play out? Just did a study on the history of the US Budget going back to just before the super committee formation and events following.

If Democrats and the President knew then what they knew now, I believe the bill passed, would be quite a bit better than the current incarnation. You have to have read the President's original document and the ACA to understand the differences. But that's 'armchair quarterbacking'. The truth of the matter is the bill Democrats had before the changes was pretty decent. It had its problems like all bills, but it 'fit together' better than the ACA does now.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/24/2013 1:17:56 PM   
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It's just kind of disgusting, isn't it?

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/24/2013 4:04:39 PM   
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If Democrats and the President knew then what they knew now, I believe the bill passed, would be quite a bit better than the current incarnation. You have to have read the President's original document and the ACA to understand the differences. But that's 'armchair quarterbacking'. The truth of the matter is the bill Democrats had before the changes was pretty decent. It had its problems like all bills, but it 'fit together' better than the ACA does now.


I thought it was the corporate lobby that actually wrote the bill. I remember one of the worst corrupt assholes [Chris Dodd] was in charge of the final version. Obamanoids may fantasize as they wish, but it is just an another Obama deception example.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/25/2013 4:57:43 AM   
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If Democrats and the President knew then what they knew now, I believe the bill passed, would be quite a bit better than the current incarnation. You have to have read the President's original document and the ACA to understand the differences. But that's 'armchair quarterbacking'. The truth of the matter is the bill Democrats had before the changes was pretty decent. It had its problems like all bills, but it 'fit together' better than the ACA does now.


I thought it was the corporate lobby that actually wrote the bill. I remember one of the worst corrupt assholes [Chris Dodd] was in charge of the final version. Obamanoids may fantasize as they wish, but it is just an another Obama deception example.


No, the actual document came from President Obama. I wish I saved a copy on my computer years ago. Damn if I could find it now. However, when Democrats got a hold if it, they made a few changes. And a few changes after that. But I recall liking much of the President's ideas. Not because I like the guy, but in an objective study on the bill. It had the potential to be more of the 'people's bill' rather than the corporate dog it turned out to be. Most are not going to understand....why....I say it this way. The President's and the final ACA bill are two different concepts and mechanics at work.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/25/2013 5:28:34 AM   
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The democrats did this all on their own. They created the mess, not the republicans. They should be so proud.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/25/2013 10:09:49 AM   
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It will take about three (3) years to clearly evaluate what's what. The Republican's predicted doom-and-gloom when Clinton raised taxes; recession and economic stagnation were just around the corner back then.

Republicans predicted a balanced budget and economic growth after the Bush Tax cuts. What happened? Recession and economic stagnation.

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/25/2013 10:51:20 AM   
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The democrats did this all on their own. They created the mess, not the republicans. They should be so proud.

LOL,I see the blind partisan echo chamber is still functioning

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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/25/2013 7:20:27 PM   
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The Republican lack of economic oversight and regulation led to the great recession. As a party, its members have learned nothing either about economics or foreign policy. Instead of improving their ideas of government administration, they are actually doubling down on bad policies.


Bullshit.

The housing bubble was founded in policies established by under clinton - Community redevelopment act of 1993 that REQUIRED banks to make 20% of its loans subprime loans to disadvantaged minorities - knowing these loans could not be paid back.

Democratic action groups like ACORN had sit ins at Citibank, Bank of America, Chase and others - to the extent of camping on their CEO's lawn, and harassing them all hours of the day and night - demanding easier credit terms.

Mortgage lenders fannie and freddie - headed by two democrats - increased their purchases of subprime loans while increasing their contributions to democratic organizations including barry obama and Christopher Dodd, Barney Frank.

When these banks went broke on paper, TARP was instituted to float loans to these banks - and the fed quantitatevly eased giving billions of dollars to these banks every year.

After the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s more than 1170 people went to jail. This fraud - more than 3 times larger - no one has gone to jail - because they are political allies of the democratic party.



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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/25/2013 7:25:38 PM   
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Did any republican vote for ACA?


That depends on how you want to look at it:

The straight forward answer: No, not a single one of them voted in either the House or Senate.

The Truthful Answer:

This one is a bit more complicated...

Back when the ACA was nearing the stage for an actual vote in Congress, many Democrats (including the President) knew there was strong opposition to the bill by Republicans. One only had to observe FOX News for a few days to see the whole line up of Republican Congressmen stating they opposed it. So the President and Democrats had a televised breakfast with Republicans. In that breakfast, the President asked the Republicans (paragraphing) "What does this bill need to have in it to gain 'yay' votes from you"? The Republicans gave 10-12 answers that if those items were included they would vote in "....great numbers....". So Democrats went back, grumbled up a storm and made the changes. The bill went to the House and Senate. Republicans voted against the now watered down bill.

From a historical view, this set the Republicans up as 'dishonest' and 'untrustworthy' right from the beginning of the Obama Administration. I wonder how many of those Republicans would even realize how badly this would fuck them later on. I would like to think the more intelligent ones realized that 'going back on your word of honor' is never a good thing. How would that play out? Just did a study on the history of the US Budget going back to just before the super committee formation and events following.

If Democrats and the President knew then what they knew now, I believe the bill passed, would be quite a bit better than the current incarnation. You have to have read the President's original document and the ACA to understand the differences. But that's 'armchair quarterbacking'. The truth of the matter is the bill Democrats had before the changes was pretty decent. It had its problems like all bills, but it 'fit together' better than the ACA does now.


The truth of the matter is that the bill that the democrats had couldn't even pass their own caucus, let alone the Congress.

The changes to the bill were made in back room deals within the democratic caucus, in order to secure votes with in their own caucus.

To refresh your memory I suggestion you google 'the louisiana purchase', the nebraska bribe, and "buying of the AARP".
While you're at it - why don't you go look at the first pharma group that obama cut a deal with.


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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 2:17:10 AM   
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Wait a minute, these sound like President Snow (job's) policies.
Help the bad guys, hurt the good guys.


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RE: Republican Agenda - 11/26/2013 12:14:30 PM   
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The truth of the matter is that the bill that the democrats had couldn't even pass their own caucus, let alone the Congress.

The changes to the bill were made in back room deals within the democratic caucus, in order to secure votes with in their own caucus.


If it didn't past the caucus, how did it become law? An if it become law, how did those Democrats get elected back into office? Or the President? Keep making up that total bullshit....

Its true that Democrats had to revise the plan the President gave them behind close door sessions. More to keep the lobbyist from influencing the process than anything else. Or are you going to tell me that lobbyists have very little political clout in Washington, D.C. these days?

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
To refresh your memory I suggestion you google 'the louisiana purchase', the nebraska bribe, and "buying of the AARP". While you're at it - why don't you go look at the first pharma group that obama cut a deal with.


An why should I reread any of this material?

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