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How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 3:30:05 PM

SirDaniel

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Ok, I guess most are used to reading my rants so here is a new one for you.

Slaves that say "MY Master/Mistress" or "MY Dom/me".

Webster defines MY as;

quote:

my

\My\, a. & poss. pron. [OE. mi, fr. min. See Mine, and cf., for loss of n, {A}, a., An, a.] Of or belonging to me; -- used always attributively; as, my body; my book; -- mine is used in the predicate; as, the Master is mine.

How can a slave own a Master? When the slave is the one that is owned property?

MY slaves are required to us "The Master I serve" or "The Master who's collar I wear" or "The Master that who owns my heart."

Any thoughts from some one else?

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 3:41:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDaniel

Ok, I guess most are used to reading my rants so here is a new one for you.

Slaves that say "MY Master/Mistress" or "MY Dom/me".

Webster defines MY as;

quote:

my

\My\, a. & poss. pron. [OE. mi, fr. min. See Mine, and cf., for loss of n, {A}, a., An, a.] Of or belonging to me; -- used always attributively; as, my body; my book; -- mine is used in the predicate; as, the Master is mine.

How can a slave own a Master? When the slave is the one that is owned property?

MY slaves are required to us "The Master I serve" or "The Master who's collar I wear" or "The Master that who owns my heart."

Any thoughts from some one else?

Ma'am or Lady Shoshin, I have allowed Mistress to 2 who were collared to me if it came from their heart not because it was required. I prefer Ma'am

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 3:47:43 PM

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I don't mind if my slave refers to me as "my master." I wouldn't get fired for referring to my boss as "my boss," nobody'd think a thing of it. It's still "my headache" even though I can't transfer it, and it's completely intangible. There is also nothing considered offensive or wrong about "my commanding officer," "our God," "my lord," etc. Maybe you're taking the "possession" part of the word a bit too literally.

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 4:32:00 PM

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I have no issue with my sub using the word my, in her heart, I am as much hers, as she is to me.

My sub addresses me as Master, it is who I am to her.

< Message edited by INSIDEYOURMIND -- 11/19/2004 6:27:05 PM >

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 4:48:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDaniel

Ok, I guess most are used to reading my rants so here is a new one for you.

Slaves that say "MY Master/Mistress" or "MY Dom/me".

Webster defines MY as;

quote:

my

\My\, a. & poss. pron. [OE. mi, fr. min. See Mine, and cf., for loss of n, {A}, a., An, a.] Of or belonging to me; -- used always attributively; as, my body; my book; -- mine is used in the predicate; as, the Master is mine.

How can a slave own a Master? When the slave is the one that is owned property?

MY slaves are required to us "The Master I serve" or "The Master who's collar I wear" or "The Master that who owns my heart."

How nice.

quote:

Any thoughts from some one else?

There are plenty of cases where your snippet of definition doesn't apply to to your model:

my neighbor
my street
my boss
my church... and many more.

None of the above denote any ownership, but instead show some manner of association or connection. I suggest upgrading to a dictionary with more complete definitions (Merriam-Webster's Unabridged is a good one).

~stef

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 6:03:39 PM

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My submissive always calls me My Mistress, My Lady, Ma'am, or My (insert name here). To me he is saying that he is Mine and no one elses.

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 6:12:02 PM

mtsilence

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If I may be so bold, I address My Lord, as My Lord. He is not Lord such and such he is simply My Lord. While I am fully aware the My is one of the English language's absolute possessives. (Right up there with hers, theirs, yours, and ours) There would be no other satisfactory way to show fealty and honor in the traditional format that I render it to My Lord. He is my Master, and my protector and provider. IN this, he fulfills the ancient and honorable codes of chivalry and honor. Therefore, when I kneel to him it is with the words 'How may My Lord be served?' Knowing that I am his completely and yet in token, he is mine as well, if not in the same fashion.

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 7:08:46 PM

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I personally say my Master because that is how he wishes me to. He doesn't feel there is anything wrong with it, so I do not either

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 9:58:09 PM

LadySonelle

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That depends. I prefer "Ma'am" out of scene. In scene, it depends on level.

"Ma'am" usually.

If in Victorian, in role, "Milady" or "Madame" (French pronunciation)

or (for very advanced scenes, cuttings, edge play) "Excellency"

Depending on costuming, the sub addresses Me in role as s/he would at the time. In German, "Gnadige Frau" or "Madame", French, "Madame", Romanian or Transylvanian vampire (yes I did one) "Domniso'ara" Ancient Roman "Dama" Ancient Egyptian "Net-Nefreet" rtc.

'Excellency' comes from Susan Matthews' Kosciusko novels (Inquisitor Series) and represemts VERY high level play 9edge, scarification, electric, etc.)

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 10:59:26 PM

TaurusMCMLVIII

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quote:

How can a slave own a Master? When the slave is the one that is owned property?

I have no problem at all with my sub/slave referring to me as "my Master". The use of "my" in that way is common and no one takes it in the literal definition.

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/18/2004 11:04:14 PM

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You might need a hobby there Daniel. You have too much free time on your hands.

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 1:10:48 AM

SirDaniel

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OK... let me clarify just one or two things..>:)

1.) I am not saying my way is the right way or the wrong way..>:) it is just that. MY Way.
2.) I look at MY way as one way to train my slaves.
3.) I am a very ritualistic Master and this is just one of the ways.
4.) I was looking for the input I got, a varity of people with a varity of different ways to look at it and that is how we learn..>:)

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 6:51:56 AM

MaitresseEden

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No one seems to be addressing the question of how are you introduced, say to family, or in a real life work, social setting. Surely you don't introduce " your Lord" to your boss, or your grandma, or your children? Is this another example of how people fail to integrate BDSM into their everyday life? Just a question.. don't get your knickers in a knot please!.

Titles and honorifics have thier place, but so does common sense and civility. One of the beauties of living in the South is the use of Ma'am and Sir is common place. Still my subs would never be so brazen to introduce me as thier Mistress to someone outside of the scene, unless instructed to do so, (I do not approve of forceing my lifestyle on others, nor do I need all my relationships public, some are intensely private). I am often introduced as "good friend" , girlfriend, lover, colleague, Biker buddy, or something that shows we have mutal interests, Aside from sadomasochism.

I will say that once a sub introduced me to his boss, by saying. " This is My girlfriend Eden with whom the sun sets and rises, and is the center of my world. Even I blushed, but the sentiment was sweet as he was a hopeless romantic, and later that evening the Boss's wife whispered to me.. " you sure have him trained well".. I'm sure she had no idea, just how well. <Grin>

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 8:06:50 AM

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It's just possesive speech, it's akin to what i asked over in the post about use of third person actually. The english language all to often falls prey to commonalities of the ultraself in that you relate everything you speak about from an internal mind. So where as "my Master" or "my neighbor" does in fact hold the same possesive quality because you are saying it is yours. The speech pattern of such may be misused but it is the most common usage of it. Direct speaking went out with the kings english and with that the continual bastardization of the language continues. It's just something you'll have to get used to because it isn't going to change, I've come to grips with that.

Besides other than looking like a pompous jackass there really is no use for pointing out things like this. I should know I look like one all the time.

Also Eden is right about the south's use of language for honorifics as common place. Then again, I call almost every woman I talk to miss or darlin so who am I to judge?

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 9:20:28 AM

MsPurrmeow

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GentleMistress
My submissive always calls me My Mistress, My Lady, Ma'am, or My (insert name here). To me he is saying that he is Mine and no one elses.

The above is precisely how I would anser this question.

I understand the touchiness about the possession issue, but to me, it's an indicator of the bond. In a group setting, there are too many titles floating about sometimes, so it's nice to see that there's a connection behind them for one that serves me.

On the other hand, I absolutely hate it when submissives call me Ma'am as a pronoun. (ie. they are telling someone else that they have to get something for Ma'am) At that point, they should use my name or me/my/your/our etc. and not just "Ma'am" to replace my name. Arrrggh.

{Note that I used the term submissive above, because they shouldn't be called MY slave until they've learned a few of those rules.}

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 10:02:38 AM

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If the party to whom W/we are referring is, in fact, My slave, and living in My household, I expect the slave to call Me Mistress or Ma'am. If there is vanilla company, or W/we are in a situation where it is not appropriate and could cause raised eyebrows, I expect them to use their heads. They know My name, hell they get My mail. There are no secrets here. These things are also gone over in "The Rules". "...my Mistress" would be reserved for when the slave is speaking with a third party and refers to Me as "my Mistress", for at that point he is owned, and it is appropriate.
On the flip side, I do not consider (and this is My personal feeling only) the term Mistress needs to be used strictly by those who are under contract and owned by Me. I do expect anyone corresponding with Me to address Me as "Dear Mistress" or "Dear Goddess". This is simply a title that shows My place in the lifestyle. I would equate this to preferring a child to refer to Me as "Mrs. (Insert name here)" as opposed to a first name. But I might be old fashioned that way. There are probably slaves or submissives out there who would refer to Me as "my Mistress" when speaking with someone else. That is not correct, as I do not own them, but some are so anxious to be owned, they presume a bit too much.
When meeting someone for dinner, I have no problem with a dinner partner (who idenitifes as a submissive or slave of course!) addressing Me as Mistress in quiet and discreet conversation. In greeting Me, he might kiss My hand and say "Good evening, Ma'am, you are looking quite beautiful tonight" and this is perfectly acceptable to the MaitreD. This is preferable to having a submissive or slave being unsure and trying to give Me a hug and saying "Hiya Dusty, how're ya doin' tonight?" It simply sets the tone of respect for the correspondence or time together.
I have My ritual times, but I am not overly ritualisitc. But use of the term "My" anything, is a matter of personal preference and, in the right setting, quite lovely. It does not mean ownership of the person or thing on the part of the person using the terminology. I am My dog's Mistress, and she is My dog. I own her, but she certainly doesn't own Me. Same for other examples given here, such as "my neighbor" or "my boss" or even "my sister" or "my brother" etc. It just indicates a relationship on some sort of level.

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 11/19/2004 10:14:15 AM >

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 4:57:10 PM

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My previous master had me refer to him as my Master because i was his collared slave, it was a way to designate my place in his life.

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 8:04:08 PM

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I personally call my Master whatever comes naturally at the time... Sometimes it is Master, Sir; sometimes it is His given name. It just depends on what the situation is.

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/19/2004 11:18:08 PM

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I am one that always refers to Master as *my master*. I also call my children, MY children.. that doesn't mean that I own them, just that I had them.

Perhaps Master isn't anal about things like that, but, to go with *just* definitions it makes perfect sense to refer to him as *my*....

You mention *my* denotes *to belong to*,,, well, using that, one definition of *belong* is:

b : to be attached or bound by birth, allegiance, or dependency

To me, any good releationship NEEDS *belonging* on both sides. If you can not depend on each other and do not have allegiance for each other......

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RE: How does a slave address you - 11/20/2004 8:30:31 AM

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This like many things is subject to the rules of the house. I personally object to my slaves using the term "MY" because an owned object cannot own anything. This is even more so if the slave were to refer to "my Master"... the slave does not own the master and should not claim such ownership.

The answer to this question will definitely vary depending on who is giving it. So Daniel, my answer to you is that if you do own a slave or slaves, this is your decision to make. Everyone will give you different advice, but it is just that advice.

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