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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 3:01:56 PM   
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I just had that DNA sequencing thing done via 23andme.com and I am 10% Ashkenazi Jew. Maybe that explains my addiction to chicken soup.

It sounds as though you got a DNA test that the FDA just banned.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/fda-orders-personal-genetics-company-23andme-to-stop-selling-tests/

I don't know anything about this, except for the article, but anyone who has had DNA tests done, by any company, might want to look into it.

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 3:39:34 PM   
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When I lived at the ashram, we celebrated the Hindu holidays because we were an ashram, the Christian holidays because we were in upstate New York, and the Jewish holidays because many of the staff and guests were Jewish.

Lots of celebrating :)

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 3:43:20 PM   
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I just had that DNA sequencing thing done via 23andme.com and I am 10% Ashkenazi Jew. Maybe that explains my addiction to chicken soup.

It sounds as though you got a DNA test that the FDA just banned.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/fda-orders-personal-genetics-company-23andme-to-stop-selling-tests/

I don't know anything about this, except for the article, but anyone who has had DNA tests done, by any company, might want to look into it.


My take is that it doesn't seem like the problem is with the accuracy of the tests, but that the company is not following the FDA's rules for "medical devices."

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 4:06:16 PM   
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My take is that it doesn't seem like the problem is with the accuracy of the tests, but that the company is not following the FDA's rules for "medical devices."

According to the FDA letter, the concern is that the company has not conducted tests to ensure accuracy. For example, paragraph three here:

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2013/ucm376296.htm

I don't know anything about these particular tests, but I do know that some "this thing is x% related to that thing" tests are a bit sketchy. The search space for such tests is huge -- too large for any computer to search -- so the test makes simplifying assumptions, like "the most probably branch of the gene tree will always be the branch that is taken," or, "the single most dominant trait will always be the one that determines which branch is taken." The justification for these simplifications is that the tests do predict things that we know to be true by other methods, like the relation of yeast strands to one another. But that doesn't mean that they will work correctly all the time.

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 4:17:00 PM   
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I just had that DNA sequencing thing done via 23andme.com and I am 10% Ashkenazi Jew. Maybe that explains my addiction to chicken soup.

It sounds as though you got a DNA test that the FDA just banned.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/fda-orders-personal-genetics-company-23andme-to-stop-selling-tests/

I don't know anything about this, except for the article, but anyone who has had DNA tests done, by any company, might want to look into it.

I read that, but it sounds more like bureaucratic cat fighting than a real dispute regarding the science. Apparently the biggest fear, according to that article, is that women who test for greater likelihood of breast cancer will get unnecessary mastectomies.

Any woman who would have her breasts removed on the basis of a $99 mail order DNA test needs an IQ test. Personally I would not use the results as a basis for any decision. It was entertainment.

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 4:24:21 PM   
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However, I am a Reconstructionist. During Yom Kippur, we ask forgiveness for sexual objectification. How I interpret that is without consent, it's wrong. With consent, it's fine. And personally, I believe it needs to be limited to within a loving relationship only.

There's also a passage that talks about not doing unnatural things. Orthodox Jews read that to mean homosexuality is wrong. Reconstructionists read that as don't do anything unnatural to you. So a homosexual should not force themself to have sex with a heterosexual, and ruin sex for their partner.

Sex is a gift to make life better. Throwing away that gift by not having sex you enjoy with someone who also enjoys it that way is wrong.

Beyond that, I really think that God is more than just the sex police. That the Ineffable One won't care if I'm on top or on the bottom.

With that said, I have to admit that I've never made a really excellent latke. In fact, I gave up years ago and switched to my Israeli cousins view of Hanukkah food being jelly doughnuts, sufganiyot. Although they would not think of Dunkin Donuts as an approved source.

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 5:10:56 PM   
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FR,

When I lived at the ashram, we celebrated the Hindu holidays because we were an ashram, the Christian holidays because we were in upstate New York, and the Jewish holidays because many of the staff and guests were Jewish.

Lots of celebrating :)


I love this country! One big melting pot.

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 5:45:02 PM   
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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 6:29:50 PM   
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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 9:16:54 PM   
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I think this girl off my FL feed might be Jewish....


OK, they turned her into a menorah; very clever. But the accompanying elements of bondage, blindness, and potential cremation squick me more than I can say. Two thumbs down.

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 10:10:53 PM   
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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 10:37:58 PM   
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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 10:52:11 PM   
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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 10:55:39 PM   
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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 11:12:02 PM   
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Just stoppin' by...

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/25/2013 11:47:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

I just had that DNA sequencing thing done via 23andme.com and I am 10% Ashkenazi Jew. Maybe that explains my addiction to chicken soup.

It sounds as though you got a DNA test that the FDA just banned.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/fda-orders-personal-genetics-company-23andme-to-stop-selling-tests/

I don't know anything about this, except for the article, but anyone who has had DNA tests done, by any company, might want to look into it.


My take is that it doesn't seem like the problem is with the accuracy of the tests, but that the company is not following the FDA's rules for "medical devices."




Suggests you do more research... the DNA testing is pretty much BUNK!

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/26/2013 6:34:24 AM   
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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/26/2013 6:50:37 AM   
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How many people here are Jewish??

Isn't everybody?

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/26/2013 6:56:53 AM   
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Any woman who would have her breasts removed on the basis of a $99 mail order DNA test needs an IQ test. Personally I would not use the results as a basis for any decision. It was entertainment.


Ya, I'd be interested in how my ancestry broke down, but would use the results for entertainment only.

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RE: How many people here are Jewish? - 11/26/2013 7:39:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dated a Jewish dude once. However, he is so reform that he finds a way to work pork into just about everything he eats, including (I swear) chocolate. He's also the only person that I have ever actually heard antisemitic jokes from. One right after the other. They went on and on and on.

Anyway, the way to handle the "slave" concept is to actually READ Deuteronomy and the rest of the Pentateuch. They have rules like "Don't trouble yourself to knock all of the olives out of your trees by going over them a second time. Leave some for widows, fatherless children and foreigners." Where it says that, in Deuteronomy 24, it goes on to say "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt. That is why I command this." The slavery talked about in your religion was NOT B&D fetish slavery. It was people being worked to death, and they were kept starving and miserable.

"Slave" in the B&D sense is a strictly voluntary position, for one thing. Secondly, the average American would benefit from a little bit of starvation. In the long-run, B&D relationships are supposed to be mutually nurturing, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were healthier than the average marriage. It just doesn't compare "apples to apples" with what your religion actually talks about.

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