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Aylee -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 12:58:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 But if employers can hire an equally skilled programer who will work for less, why wouldn't companies take that advantage? Same thing happens with illegal aliens coming across the border. Makes me think that in order to keep people employed in you or my country, steps need to be taken to ensure companies don't ship out to a 3rd world country in order to sell products to a people who are loosing job opportunities due to foreign competition. Keep the economy working at home, not overseas, which only benefits the higher ups, not the workers. Screw raising minimum wage to $15 an hour. That is just circus peanuts after all. Let's cut to the chase and raise it to $100 an hour. That should fix everything up just fine, right?

MsMJAY -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 1:12:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 But if employers can hire an equally skilled programer who will work for less, why wouldn't companies take that advantage? Same thing happens with illegal aliens coming across the border. Makes me think that in order to keep people employed in you or my country, steps need to be taken to ensure companies don't ship out to a 3rd world country in order to sell products to a people who are loosing job opportunities due to foreign competition. Keep the economy working at home, not overseas, which only benefits the higher ups, not the workers. Screw raising minimum wage to $15 an hour. That is just circus peanuts after all. Let's cut to the chase and raise it to $100 an hour. That should fix everything up just fine, right? Or, on the other hand, we can just lower it to $0 and make everyone work for free. That should work fine as well, right?

TheHeretic -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 1:30:04 PM)
FR The minimum wage, whatever it may be, is mostly just stupid symbolism. The bottom of the ladder is still going to be the bottom of the ladder. Those who will feel the worst impact of the price increases, will be the poorest among us.

mnottertail -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 1:33:16 PM)
Well, I dont know about that, the stupid symbolism. If a man pays a living wage, and that causes prices to skyrocket, then I think that people will start doing without furlined sinks and so on. Because we can certainly pay captains of industry multiple billions of dollars to suck the vitality of the economy dry, to say stupid shit, to reduce life to simple jingos, to insure there is lack of competitiveness, to cheapen goods and services, to produce shoddy merchandise, and to glorify the worst in business practice. Theres more but already people are going EE-Yul EE-Yul EE-Yul, that is just so needs translating.

TheHeretic -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 1:55:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well, I dont know about that, the stupid symbolism. If a man pays a living wage, and that causes prices to skyrocket, then I think that people will start doing without furlined sinks and so on. And if they are already doing without furlined sinks, and are instead wiping their asses with singleply at today's prices, Ron? Typical Obamabot bullshit. It's ok when liberals fuck the poor, because their intentions were good, and it never occured to them that there might be a downside on their coin. But it's ok! They have an idea for another program to fix their latest fuck-up!

mnottertail -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 1:57:12 PM)
No typical nutsacker asswipe, pay at living wage and you can go with the two ply. We are still fixing the moronic nutsacker asswipe since nixons time. Then a couple other nutsackers came along and fucked it up even worse, Reagan and Bush. But typical nutsackerbots are drooling fucking shiteaters, and beyond the minneapolis airport bathroom, they dont have anything going for them. They only have ideas of fucking it up, nothing beyond it.

graceadieu -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:03:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ETA: Since I hadn't finished college (I was putting myself through community college one class a semester), that position was the top of the food chain, and raises were capped at 2% a year. To be assistant manager, which started at $15/hour, you needed a bachelor's degree. Wow...$15/hr ? That's pretty good money. I read about a job online that was a whole page of requirements, another whole page on experience required at the end of which...was a bachelors degree. Part time $9/hr. It's not bad, but it was only that much because it was in a town where (checking census.gov data) the average household income is $135,000 and the average home is $802,000. In less affluent markets they pay less.

MsMJAY -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:07:34 PM)
If that is true then my $0 suggestion should work. After all its just stupid symbolism. quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic FR The minimum wage, whatever it may be, is mostly just stupid symbolism. The bottom of the ladder is still going to be the bottom of the ladder. Those who will feel the worst impact of the price increases, will be the poorest among us.

TheHeretic -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:14:02 PM)
I see. It's all those horrible nutsackers everybody is supposed to hate and hate and hate. Nope. Nothing Alinsky-ish to see here... From what little I can be bothered to make of your reply, Ron, you seem to be confusing the working poor, who might briefly get a thrill from bigger paychecks, and the non-working poor, who will only feel the pain.

TheHeretic -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:19:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsMJAY If that is true then my $0 suggestion should work. After all its just stupid symbolism. And how would you be planning to MAKE the people work, MsMJay? This isn't a dictatorship.

mnottertail -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:20:57 PM)
Well the Goebbelsishness of the nutsackers seems to be the nutsackerbots problem and they cant find their own ass with two hands and a flashlight. I see no reason for the working poor as well as the non-working poor to suffer because the fucking dipshits who run our military industrial complex, and the nutsuckers who serviley capitulate to them and lick their asses desire the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer, all due to the nutsacker government corporate nanny welfare state. Cuz if the non-working poor cant afford to buy a pound of ground beef to split between their family of four at 3 bucks a pound, they will be none the hungrier when they cant do it at 6.

MsMJAY -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:23:47 PM)
Oh right....then its NOT just stupid symbolism, is it? quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: MsMJAY If that is true then my $0 suggestion should work. After all its just stupid symbolism. And how would you be planning to MAKE the people work, MsMJay? This isn't a dictatorship.

mnottertail -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:24:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: MsMJAY If that is true then my $0 suggestion should work. After all its just stupid symbolism. And how would you be planning to MAKE the people work, MsMJay? This isn't a dictatorship. We dont make them work now. Nothing Goebblish-y to see here folks.

TheHeretic -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:34:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsMJAY Oh right....then its NOT just stupid symbolism, is it? Huh? I said whatever number we set the minimum wage at, it will still be the bottom of the ladder. What the fuck does that have to do with your assertion that people can be MADE to work?

mnottertail -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:36:30 PM)
Well, no sense bothering with murderers then, the fucking folks are goin to die anyway. And so on ad nauseam.

TheHeretic -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:38:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Cuz if the non-working poor cant afford to buy a pound of ground beef to split between their family of four at 3 bucks a pound, they will be none the hungrier when they cant do it at 6. So, what you are saying is, "fuck the poor who aren't the target of today's focus group action," which is what I took as your meaning earlier. Scrotum skin is pretty stretchy, but if you are stuck inside it, you are only going to go in circles.

mnottertail -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:45:41 PM)
Nope, and you dont possess any smidgen of intellect that would allow you to even attempt to impugn my words with your chickenshit dipshittery, that is nutsuckerbotism right out of Goebbels. So what you are saying is you are a fucking shiteater in keeping with your characterizations. As a matter of course for the less cogent and cognizant among us....the non-working poor, having the foodstamps and so on, will thru the increased revenues brought in be given a miserly raise that will allow them their pound of hamburger. And still be a weeping pus on you nutsackers. But if it cannot be bought at any price, then the price is of no concern, it is a Goebblesy bitch by nutsackers, propaganda, a distraction, a derail, a red herring, a straw man, a overarching imbecility they are imbued with. A thing called reality.

TheHeretic -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:51:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail So what you are saying is you are a fucking shiteater in keeping with your characterizations. It was always fun trying to get a "2" flashing at the temple of your old avatar, Ron, but I'm getting to like watching this one lose the potty dance and piss itself.

mnottertail -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:57:19 PM)
Yeah, I like to watch ignorant fuckheads unglue and say the stupidest shit, and right on top of one after another here they are. So, what was I saying again? Tell me, you seem to have this laser like insight into ignorant hallucination. So, a fellow who is non-working makes 0 dollars, and if we raise the minimum wage for a fellow working to increase his lot in life, or frankly to keep up with inflation and the massive giveaways we give to the rich, then the guy who makes 0 dollars an hour is worse off than before when he was making 0 dollars, could afford nothing and wasnt gonna get nothing? Waltz me through how that works, because reality don't seem to have a frame of reference for that.

MsMJAY -> RE: Minimum wage in america (12/7/2013 2:57:52 PM)
You made the assertion that it was "stupid symbolism." I made the assertion that if that's true then it should be fine to pay them $0. In context my original statement was obviously tongue in cheek and directed at someone who made an equally radical statement regarding pay. (I am sure you knew that?) quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: MsMJAY Oh right....then its NOT just stupid symbolism, is it? Huh? I said whatever number we set the minimum wage at, it will still be the bottom of the ladder. What the fuck does that have to do with your assertion that people can be MADE to work?

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