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MariaB -> RE: How do you know? (12/3/2013 6:54:48 AM)

Interesting post and I agree with a lot that's been said here. When I think of people on the scene who I'm familiar with but don't really know them in person, its the confident, somewhat loud ones, the ones who love a little exhibitionism and who's costumes often stand out in a crowd. They just stand out more than the rest but thinking on it, there aren't many of them and they don't seem to keep long term partners.

Clubs and munches seem to be full of quiet unassuming dominants. If anything its the submissive females who come across more confidently. Get a group of sub females together and its going to get loud! Then again, get a group of fem Dommes (never been to an all Dom munch) at an all Domme munch and it does get loud and silly. Girls will be girls and I certainly don't find fem Dommes to be more confident in numbers than fem subs.

Feeling dominant comes from within and being dominant doesn't take away all those human emotions normal human beings have. I still run
away from wasps and spiders. In fact I abandoned my car on a busy main road in London in the rush hour because a wasp flew through my window. I'm a complete coward!![8|]




lloydirving -> RE: How do you know? (12/4/2013 12:25:03 AM)


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Extroverts are not energy vampires. Energy vampires are just people that can't find it in themselves and latch on to those that can. Sorry to say introverts are not super human or true dominants either. They are just ordinary people like extroverts.

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Heh, I had an introvert friend that called them that. Just sorta stuck. I had said that a while back I had assumed that it was the case. However I realized a while back that it was not true.




lloydirving -> RE: How do you know? (12/4/2013 12:27:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Interesting post and I agree with a lot that's been said here. When I think of people on the scene who I'm familiar with but don't really know them in person, its the confident, somewhat loud ones, the ones who love a little exhibitionism and who's costumes often stand out in a crowd. They just stand out more than the rest but thinking on it, there aren't many of them and they don't seem to keep long term partners.

Clubs and munches seem to be full of quiet unassuming dominants. If anything its the submissive females who come across more confidently. Get a group of sub females together and its going to get loud! Then again, get a group of fem Dommes (never been to an all Dom munch) at an all Domme munch and it does get loud and silly. Girls will be girls and I certainly don't find fem Dommes to be more confident in numbers than fem subs.

Feeling dominant comes from within and being dominant doesn't take away all those human emotions normal human beings have. I still run
away from wasps and spiders. In fact I abandoned my car on a busy main road in London in the rush hour because a wasp flew through my window. I'm a complete coward!![8|]


Ha ha. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread sort of thing.

It is nice to feel a bit better about things. Having the ability to express deep desires, anxieties, and strengths is helpful. I have read quite a bit here and there and while some things seem obvious, others are not. I have a long way to go, but I have my core understood.




KnightofMists -> RE: How do you know? (12/4/2013 8:22:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: lloydirving

Ha ha. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread sort of thing.

It is nice to feel a bit better about things. Having the ability to express deep desires, anxieties, and strengths is helpful. I have read quite a bit here and there and while some things seem obvious, others are not. I have a long way to go, but I have my core understood.


I think the important think to understand...


Some stand out in the crowd ... But ask why do they stand out? Some are with substance and some are not. But they stand out regardless.

Some do not stand out... But ask the same question... Why do they not? Some have substance and some do not. But they sit there none the less.


Some very dominant persons will stand out... Some will not. But they both are in a crowd of those people that seek to stand out and those that sit in the corner.





LadyPact -> RE: How do you know? (12/4/2013 8:34:27 AM)

Fast Reply.

Honestly, if I could reveal the secret of the magic formula, I would.




KnightofMists -> RE: How do you know? (12/4/2013 9:32:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Fast Reply.

Honestly, if I could reveal the secret of the magic formula, I would.




Of course your statement doesn't indicate you don't know the secret, only that you can't reveal it.


Interesting!!!!

Edited to add...

As I think about it... Your statement could be inferring you know the secret!!

Very interesting!!!!!




LadyPact -> RE: How do you know? (12/4/2013 3:01:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
Of course your statement doesn't indicate you don't know the secret, only that you can't reveal it.


Interesting!!!!

Edited to add...

As I think about it... Your statement could be inferring you know the secret!!

Very interesting!!!!!

You made Me laugh.

I'm one of those folks who believes there is a difference between what we think and what we know. I *think* it's partially a personality thing. If it is, or how much of it might be personality, I honestly don't know.

I happen to be extroverted. I'd have to think that contributes to it in some way. I don't know if I'd have the same kind of confidence if I was introverted.

It's kind of like those threads where folks come along and ask how can they become Dominant. It's not like we can tell them what goes in the cocktail that magically will make them one. Come to think of it, if we could and bottled it, we'd make a fortune. [:D]





KnightofMists -> RE: How do you know? (12/4/2013 4:36:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's kind of like those threads where folks come along and ask how can they become Dominant. It's not like we can tell them what goes in the cocktail that magically will make them one. Come to think of it, if we could and bottled it, we'd make a fortune.



I happen to think if you have to ask you probably are not it. However you ask how to be effective in ones dominance... Well that one I can work with.

If one can't see it in themselves it's just not going to happen.




SerWhiteTiger -> RE: How do you know? (12/7/2013 1:01:18 PM)

I am very similar to you. I would say that you're simply someone who doesn't try to force your dominance on others. That combined with a little introversion can easily give people the mistaken sense of submission. People think I'm submissive all the time until they actually interact with me.




SerWhiteTiger -> RE: How do you know? (12/7/2013 1:07:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

It's kind of like those threads where folks come along and ask how can they become Dominant. It's not like we can tell them what goes in the cocktail that magically will make them one. Come to think of it, if we could and bottled it, we'd make a fortune.



I happen to think if you have to ask you probably are not it. However you ask how to be effective in ones dominance... Well that one I can work with.

If one can't see it in themselves it's just not going to happen.


I used to ask, and I became it, but it required some dramatic changes in my thinking. I was always a dominant person, but I refused mentally to be dominant over others. I couldn't even begin to tell someone how to become a dominant though. It can happen, but not through some method.




RemoteUser -> RE: How do you know? (12/7/2013 1:52:51 PM)

I checked my pocket and found two cents. (Which in Canada nowadays, is a rare thing.)

There is a lot being said in this thread about what people do, or what results they get, and how that defines (or doesn't) their role as a Dominant. I find myself agreeing with some things but disagreeing with others.

I tend to be quiet and calm for the most part, unless pushed, and those who push too far find out I can be a volcano if they don't back off. I wouldn't say this reflects on my sexual proclivities. It may affect them, but certainly not define. There's a time and place for assertiveness. I won't let myself get baited into it, but when the other person creates a situation where I have to respond, I respond the way that seems the most appropriate. The few times in my life where I've simply snapped at someone, I've always regretted the behaviour afterwards, and done my best to learn from it.

Does that make me a better or worse Dominant? Hmm, I dunno. Probably because I don't measure, actively ponder or display dominant traits (at least, not on purpose). That's another thing. I don't try to be something. There isn't an image in my head that I hold up and say ah, yes, this is what a Dominant is, and what I must be. I do have basic, personal opinions about the role of Dominance, of course - be responsible; be safe; set the example; spend more time learning and understanding than commanding, because without the former, the latter tends to fail. I don't have to be "better". Hell, the girl I was recently with was more cerebral than I am, and over a decade younger to boot. I admired her intellect, even if I didn't always agree with her assessments. That's another trend of mine; I don't measure the submissive, either. I evaluate their capabilities; I study their reactions; I strive to learn who they are because that does influence and occasionally dictate crucial things like communication.

I question myself - not a lot, unless it seems important to do so. I work on my faults as a person (I consider smoking one of them; and I have procrastinated on things in the past, which I am now working on overtime to correct). I am generally happy with the answers I get, but when I'm not I push at myself to find how to make things better. I do not ask other people to do this because I believe it ultimately has to be something a person does for themselves. I could offer all the support and advice in the world, but it means nothing to deaf ears.

I don't always get the results I want. Sometimes what I want is not practical. Sometimes it falls outside of the scope of feasibility. Sometimes the only way to get what I want would require manipulation, and even when that manipulation has good intentions and seemingly positive results, I more often than not balk at being manipulative (or at least hesitate and consider first). I don't think this is a measure of my dominance, either. It's just who I am. I can be an idealist, so not everything I might want is possible. I have a streak of ethics that makes some actions unacceptable for me. I can't objectively call myself a better or worse Dominant for these traits; they are who I am, and I try to utilize my traits in what passes as a wise and fair manner for my perceptions.

OP, I would offer this advice: assess yourself as a person. Let the dominance sit on the side table. Look at yourself, decide what you like, decide what you want to improve - as an individual. Do what is right for you. The rest will come along naturally. I wish you all the best of luck in your explorations, and whatever they bring, if you are the person you feel you should be, the rest doesn't matter.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: How do you know? (12/7/2013 2:39:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: StrictlySussex

I need to be in my own comfort zone to feel confident. Many of us have ways of dealing with situations where we don't feel at ease. Some people never show any signs but rest assured even us Doms get wobbly legs about certain things.


^^Well said. This really sums it up for me. Take me out of my sphere and I start consulting others with a quickness.




DomDolf -> RE: How do you know? (12/10/2013 3:36:17 PM)

I've read two things here that seems to sum up my thoughts and I'll use my own words to say it. Dominant's aren't immune to nervousness or fear. Most loud mouth dominants generally seem to have a hard time maintaining long-term relationships.

I tend to be quiet and unassuming while I take in the many points of information that are around me in crowds. But once I have a clear understanding of the environment, game on... My exhibitionism comes out. But I would never be considered to be boisterous.




Kana -> RE: How do you know? (12/10/2013 4:15:23 PM)

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I'm 42 yrs old, should by now be confident in myself but would I walk up to a single woman in a bar and ask for a date, probably not.

Then practice at it.
Start by complimenting strange women. Just walk up to them and say something nice, "Hey, that's a lovely dress. You look terrific in it." Then just walk away.No hitting on them.No macking. Just compliment and roll.It's amazing to do. First they are defensive, then when they realize it's not got any strings attached, they tend to light up.
Learn how to break the ice. I have a buddy who, if he likes a gal, he smiles at her. Nothing more.Just a smile across a room, street,hallway, restaurant,whatever.
If she returns the smile, he goes over and initiates conversation.For him, that return smile=game on.
Then move up to talking to chicas at bars. Then start asking them out.
Heck, talk to em right and you won't hafta-they'll be asking you home




sheisreeds -> RE: How do you know? (12/10/2013 6:38:29 PM)

I don't know if my own confidence makes this better or worse but confidence is a huge thing for me.

I'm the kinda girl who when single has no problem initiating conversation, wherever it may be. Though I can kinda tell in the first few minutes if the guy is capable of doing the same.

Shy guys are a pretty immediate turn off. I like bad boys who want a good home life with a bad girl. Thankfully I got that in spades.

I do feel that there is someone and something for everyone though, and in the end it just matters whether or not it works for the relationship.




sunshinemiss -> RE: How do you know? (12/11/2013 2:10:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Extroverts are not energy vampires.



Thank you.




crazyml -> RE: How do you know? (12/11/2013 3:34:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Extroverts are not energy vampires.



Thank you.



WOW. I feel - kinda - drained now.

;-)




sunshinemiss -> RE: How do you know? (12/11/2013 6:46:12 AM)

You just want to order me to bite that fine neck of yours! I am wise to your ways...




MasterCaneman -> RE: How do you know? (12/11/2013 9:38:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kana

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I'm 42 yrs old, should by now be confident in myself but would I walk up to a single woman in a bar and ask for a date, probably not.

Then practice at it.
Start by complimenting strange women. Just walk up to them and say something nice, "Hey, that's a lovely dress. You look terrific in it." Then just walk away.No hitting on them.No macking. Just compliment and roll.It's amazing to do. First they are defensive, then when they realize it's not got any strings attached, they tend to light up.
Learn how to break the ice. I have a buddy who, if he likes a gal, he smiles at her. Nothing more.Just a smile across a room, street,hallway, restaurant,whatever.
If she returns the smile, he goes over and initiates conversation.For him, that return smile=game on.
Then move up to talking to chicas at bars. Then start asking them out.
Heck, talk to em right and you won't hafta-they'll be asking you home

^^^^THIS^^^^ It works, and works well. When you do it this way, you're thinking with your big brain, and that can only lead to good things.




LorraineCA -> RE: How do you know? (12/11/2013 9:45:00 AM)

I think it's because most Masters and Dommes are Narcissists and that's one of the personality traits.




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