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crazyml -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 12:43:42 AM)

Argh!



kajirarainn -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 4:48:53 AM)

You want to "shoot the grammar police" who are teasing each other while bemoaning the loss of cursive writing. Grammar changes meaning. Cursive is just pretty; nothing wrong with pretty for the sake of pretty, but if there is no other option, I will generally choose "useful". I've noticed that twice now in your notes you use examples of violence as your method of making a point when someone disagrees with you. In nine posts that is quite a bit. I want to teach people that violence is rarely the answer, but oh wait... I *do* teach that to my students. To me, teaching good communications skills and patience and anger management are a better use of my skills and resources than teaching something obsolete like cursive handwriting.



First off let me take the time to say thank you for responding at an attempt at humor, but then I sit back and realize you do not know me in r/l and therefore do not know I am also my own worse critic. ( I sat here for 20 minutes looking over this short post making sure it was spelled correctly.) As my Master continually reminds me "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I will take the time to apologise to any one who might have gotten offened or even a little butt hurt over the use of a *e-gun* and for even pointing it at myself.



Musicmystery -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 5:59:55 AM)

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Cursive handwriting, like shorthand, is obsolete. Computers have taken the place of notebooks. Power point has replaced blackboards. Texting has replaced memo taking.


What a load of crap.

Texting is hardly a replacement for memo taking. Prepared presentations are hardly the same as spontaneous use of a white board or blackboard. My VA can transcribe my teleseminars faster herself than I can using dictation software.

And "merely pretty" but "unnecessary" and "useless" knowledge of cursive writing is going to become important pretty quickly when a professor or a boss or anyone in whatever context hands a grown up a note the "modern" student is unable to read -- because it's in cursive.

Contrary to your quasi-utopian fantasy, all writing is not tied to machines.



Musicmystery -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 6:10:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kajirarainn

quote:

You want to "shoot the grammar police" who are teasing each other while bemoaning the loss of cursive writing. Grammar changes meaning. Cursive is just pretty; nothing wrong with pretty for the sake of pretty, but if there is no other option, I will generally choose "useful". I've noticed that twice now in your notes you use examples of violence as your method of making a point when someone disagrees with you. In nine posts that is quite a bit. I want to teach people that violence is rarely the answer, but oh wait... I *do* teach that to my students. To me, teaching good communications skills and patience and anger management are a better use of my skills and resources than teaching something obsolete like cursive handwriting.


First off let me take the time to say thank you for responding at an attempt at humor, but then I sit back and realize you do not know me in r/l and therefore do not know I am also my own worse critic. ( I sat here for 20 minutes looking over this short post making sure it was spelled correctly.) As my Master continually reminds me "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I will take the time to apologise to any one who might have gotten offened or even a little butt hurt over the use of a *e-gun* and for even pointing it at myself.

I wouldn't worry about one person on a self-righteous crusade. Argument in English is built on a war metaphor. You take up "positions," which you "defend"; you "attack" other arguments, and you "shoot down" their points with criticism right on "target," and unless your case is "indefensible," you can "demolish" the "opposition" with your "strategy," or at least "gain ground."

You are guilty only of writing in English. Granted, a case can be made for choosing prettier metaphors for dissenting views, but you'll find that on a Gorean board, with the exception of the occasional stick-up-a-butt, political correctness is not a top priority.

So feel free to gun down your critics here -- at least metaphorically.

Humor too is allowed and encouraged here . . . despite the occasional kill-joy. Have fun!



sunshinemiss -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 6:13:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Cursive handwriting, like shorthand, is obsolete. Computers have taken the place of notebooks. Power point has replaced blackboards. Texting has replaced memo taking.


What a load of crap.

Texting is hardly a replacement for memo taking. Prepared presentations are hardly the same as spontaneous use of a white board or blackboard. My VA can transcribe my teleseminars faster herself than I can using dictation software.

And "merely pretty" but "unnecessary" and "useless" knowledge of cursive writing is going to become important pretty quickly when a professor or a boss or anyone in whatever context hands a grown up a note the "modern" student is unable to read -- because it's in cursive.

Contrary to your quasi-utopian fantasy, all writing is not tied to machines.



It is here! Nobody leaves little pink memos. Everything is done by text (email, sms, kakao talk). In fact, the last two years when I've taught about memo taking, I've gotten blank stares. The students have *no idea* what I'm talking about. They've never seen a "while you were out" pad. In fact, the entire section has been removed from our (USA printed) text books.

I totally agree about presentations vs. spontaneous use of whiteboards. But that's what we see. How many TED talks, conference presentations, work dog and pony shows use whiteboards? Notes in class are taken on ipads and laptops and smart phones.

You're telling me that your assistant can write *in cursive* your words faster than dictation software can print it? You must talk awfully slowly! I can usually type about as fast as someone talks, but again, this is not cursive. Is your VA transcribing in shorthand? And then typing from the shorthand? That's double work and ...still not cursive.

Sorry, Tim, our experiences are vastly different. Cursive is unnecessary and if it isn't absolutely obsolete now, it sure will be by the time this upcoming generation is running the show.

Best wishes,
sunshine



freedomdwarf1 -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 6:56:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Contrary to your quasi-utopian fantasy, all writing is not tied to machines.



It is here! Nobody leaves little pink memos. Everything is done by text (email, sms, kakao talk). In fact, the last two years when I've taught about memo taking, I've gotten blank stares. The students have *no idea* what I'm talking about. They've never seen a "while you were out" pad. In fact, the entire section has been removed from our (USA printed) text books.

I totally agree about presentations vs. spontaneous use of whiteboards. But that's what we see. How many TED talks, conference presentations, work dog and pony shows use whiteboards? Notes in class are taken on ipads and laptops and smart phones.

You're telling me that your assistant can write *in cursive* your words faster than dictation software can print it? You must talk awfully slowly! I can usually type about as fast as someone talks, but again, this is not cursive. Is your VA transcribing in shorthand? And then typing from the shorthand? That's double work and ...still not cursive.

Sorry, Tim, our experiences are vastly different. Cursive is unnecessary and if it isn't absolutely obsolete now, it sure will be by the time this upcoming generation is running the show.


Over here, not everybody owns or uses iPads, Laptops or Smart phones.

In fact, classes here at schools and colleges have banned the use of them in favour of pen and paper.
Yes, that's right.... good old-fashioned wood pulp pressed into writing paper.

As for cursory writing, it is obligatory teaching here.
There's nothing worse than someone who has written something in block capitals, all over the place (ie, not level or straight) and looks more like a squadron of squashed dead spiders than actual hand writing.
Cursory, when done correctly (as opposed to calligraphy), looks neat, is readable and presentable. It is also fairly quick to get down on paper.
It's more than just pretty - it's also very practical.

Have you also noticed that many documents are hand-written and not typed or put into iPads etc??
Many international shipping documents are hand-written.
Most initial car repair reports are hand-written onto progress cards - not done digitally.
A lot of police and investigative reports are initially hand written too.

Cursory writing is not dead.




tj444 -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 7:32:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

There's nothing worse than someone who has written something in block capitals, all over the place (ie, not level or straight) and looks more like a squadron of squashed dead spiders than actual hand writing.
Cursory, when done correctly (as opposed to calligraphy), looks neat, is readable and presentable. It is also fairly quick to get down on paper.
It's more than just pretty - it's also very practical.

I do both the printed block "writing" and cursive and honestly, neither is neat or readable! many times I cant even read what I have written.. [:D] as for typed writing, sometimes that too doesn't make sense when autocorrect has made a mess of it.. [&:]



Musicmystery -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 7:55:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Cursive handwriting, like shorthand, is obsolete. Computers have taken the place of notebooks. Power point has replaced blackboards. Texting has replaced memo taking.


What a load of crap.

Texting is hardly a replacement for memo taking. Prepared presentations are hardly the same as spontaneous use of a white board or blackboard. My VA can transcribe my teleseminars faster herself than I can using dictation software.

And "merely pretty" but "unnecessary" and "useless" knowledge of cursive writing is going to become important pretty quickly when a professor or a boss or anyone in whatever context hands a grown up a note the "modern" student is unable to read -- because it's in cursive.

Contrary to your quasi-utopian fantasy, all writing is not tied to machines.



It is here! Nobody leaves little pink memos. Everything is done by text (email, sms, kakao talk). In fact, the last two years when I've taught about memo taking, I've gotten blank stares. The students have *no idea* what I'm talking about. They've never seen a "while you were out" pad. In fact, the entire section has been removed from our (USA printed) text books.

I totally agree about presentations vs. spontaneous use of whiteboards. But that's what we see. How many TED talks, conference presentations, work dog and pony shows use whiteboards? Notes in class are taken on ipads and laptops and smart phones.

You're telling me that your assistant can write *in cursive* your words faster than dictation software can print it? You must talk awfully slowly! I can usually type about as fast as someone talks, but again, this is not cursive. Is your VA transcribing in shorthand? And then typing from the shorthand? That's double work and ...still not cursive.

Sorry, Tim, our experiences are vastly different. Cursive is unnecessary and if it isn't absolutely obsolete now, it sure will be by the time this upcoming generation is running the show.

Best wishes,
sunshine

Utter nonsense and anecdotal. Manipulative at that.

Guess what? TED talks, conferences and the like use presentation software because, hello, they are doing presentations. You are not familiar with the business world -- I not infrequently still see easels and large pads, for example.

If you can type as quickly as I can talk, you should pursue a new career. I hire my VA to do it because (1) I should be doing better, more productive things with my time and (2) she's just that good. It's why I hired her.

If you live in an insular world where all citizens possess electronics they have with them 24/7, I'm very sorry for you and them. Here, on Earth, people are from a wide range of economic backgrounds. Even among those who can afford it -- and I see college classes regularly -- it's the occasional student using electronics for notes.

In short, you're simply distorting data. If you now live among the Borg, understand they are not representative.

Hell, much of my work is writing. And I write very quickly, even for print. But I still draft on paper -- because it's faster. It also works great when the power's out.

Apparently, your "Live Simply" motto has been left in the dust . . . er, pixels.



Arturas -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/2/2013 5:31:26 PM)

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Do you think anyone stops to think of the value of their word anymore? Is it something that we have lost value for... and if it is, is it something that we have to gain back. And if so, how? How, when in one way or another, we are all guilty of the same, I am sure, at one time or another. Some just to a much greater magnitude and effect than others... but still, at the core, the same thing. Right?



This is a very confused OP. "The Word of the Average American" related to "value of their word" and this is somehow linked into written messages as opposed to electronic or voice actuated, and why "Americans", do you have a problem with Americans? Throw me a bone here so we know exactly what your point or question really is for discussion and so we don't just free fall into some verbose discussion of pink notes vs phone calls and exactly what has this got to do with Gor anyways? As someone said already, "this is a load of crap" and for once I agree with his crap.

Arturas



Arturas -> RE: The Written Word of the Average Person (12/2/2013 5:35:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

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[Do you think anyone stops to think of the value of their word anymore? Is it something that we have lost value for...


Yes. No. *yawn*.


Star of Arturas




That was a rude comment and completely uncalled for.

Best wishes,
sunshine

(edited - grammar)



So Right. If you don't have anything to say about a load of crap original post you should not say anything.

I shall beat her. Unfortunately she will enjoy it. But I will do my best. Unfortunately she will enjoy that also.

Arturas



crazyml -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/3/2013 12:57:50 AM)

To be fair, it has been a long old while since I saw anyone use cursive script on a whiteboard or flip chart.

Personally, I prefer to hand write notes in an old style notebook, with an ink pen. My younger contemporaries almost exclusively use laptops or, more recently, tablets. I don't think that handwriting will disappear, but I expect that it will certainly evolve to the point that cursive becomes an anachronism.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/3/2013 2:49:06 AM)

In which case, much writing will be incomprehensible to them.

It's not like cursive is difficult to learn.



sunshinemiss -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/3/2013 3:19:37 AM)

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Utter nonsense and anecdotal. Manipulative at that.

Guess what? TED talks, conferences and the like use presentation software because, hello, they are doing presentations. You are not familiar with the business world -- I not infrequently still see easels and large pads, for example.

This is not accurate. I have some familiarity with the business world. And what I see is the use of computers, printouts, reports. Rarely are these handwritten. And if they are, how many of the writers are writing in cursive? Not so many. A whole lot of business is about presentation. Granted, I don't have stats on it... but I do have stats on a few other things...

If you can type as quickly as I can talk, you should pursue a new career. I hire my VA to do it because (1) I should be doing better, more productive things with my time and (2) she's just that good. It's why I hired her.

My assistant is an amazing person whom I appreciate tremendously. I'm glad to see you appreciate yours as well.
As to the rest of it - why in hell would I want to be someone's assistant when I can run the show? It would be an incredible waste of my mind and talents to be someone's assistant. To suggest I ought to go from being a professor to being an assistant is condescending - at best.

If you live in an insular world where all citizens possess electronics they have with them 24/7, I'm very sorry for you and them. Here, on Earth, people are from a wide range of economic backgrounds. Even among those who can afford it -- and I see college classes regularly -- it's the occasional student using electronics for notes.

I do live in a world where a fairly high percentage of the citizens possess electronics (as do you) ... it's hyperbole on your part but generally true. Why do so many of them HERE have it? Because the government here subsidizes it. The internet is faster here and half the price (it is) in the USA. Even poor people have access to it. And frankly, I want people who are looking for jobs to have access to uploading their resumes, receiving phone calls, and setting up interviews by email.

But you are there, and I am here. I'll confine my information to the USA.

Let's start with ... College students (not you and me - them) are more comfortable writing online than they are writing by hand.
Oblinger, D. & J. (2005) Is It Age or IT: First Steps Toward Understanding the Net Generation. EDUCAUSE

They like the web because it is convenient, increases the number of sources they can use, it saves time, improves their grades and the quality of their work. They use it more than the library (73% of students). They use the internet academically for a variety of reasons. They do research, interact with other students, get their grades, and complete their homework.

Pew Center (2002); M.J. Metzger et al. (2003) College student Web use, perceptions of information credibility, and verification behavior. Computers & Education.

And what about the professors? College students use the internet to interact with their professors for several reasons - to set up appointments (62%), to discuss their grades (58%), and to clarify assignments (75%).
Pew Internet & American Life Project (2005) The Internet goes to college
{I expect somebody out there is assigning technology for their students. I know I certainly do. And of course now people are getting degrees in Educational Technology. But that is a whole other ball of wax!}

Even the professors use it to check for plagiarism. (74%) Pew Internet & American Life Project (2005)

The bottom line, is that 79% of college students feel the Internet has had a positive impact on their academic experience.
Steve Jones, “The Internet Goes to College: How Students Are Living in the Future with Today’s Technology” (Washington, D.C.: Pew Internet & American Life Project, September 15, 2002)

.... and here's the bee in the bonnet:

47% (of uni students) REGULARLY use laptops and 33% of students who own tablets use them for taking notes!
http://www.cruxresearch.com/downloads/refuel%20CE%20press%20release%20061313.pdf



In short, you're simply distorting data. If you now live among the Borg, understand they are not representative.

I'm merely noting the trend amongst people in the USA. Evidently that is where the Borg emigrated. Anecdotally, I see it here, but the numbers are THERE.

Hell, much of my work is writing. And I write very quickly, even for print. But I still draft on paper -- because it's faster. It also works great when the power's out.


You and I are digital immigrants. I, too, draft on paper at times. But frankly, I only do that when my computer or ipad aren't available to me. At some point, I moved more toward technology. It is necessary where I work, and I've found a lot of tools online that help my students and support me in conveying the message. But we are not the people that are being looked at. The up and coming generation is made up of digital natives. They use the internet more and more. And back to the point - there's very little cursive in the internet (I do use some technology that allows me to write with my touch screen, but I use that more for visuals than text. Too easy to type fast.) Sorry, man, the times and the norms are changing... whether you like it or not.

Apparently, your "Live Simply" motto has been left in the dust . . . er, pixels.



A personal attack, Tim? Really?

best,
sunshine

edited: topics



crazyml -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/3/2013 4:07:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

In which case, much writing will be incomprehensible to them.


I doubt that. Just as I don't really believe that you seriously think that.



quote:





It's not like cursive is difficult to learn.


No, indeed, but it isn't that difficult to learn lacrosse either, but... not much point ;-)



Musicmystery -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/3/2013 1:55:32 PM)

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To suggest I ought to go from being a professor to being an assistant is condescending - at best.

I know from experience that someone determined to play the victim will not be deterred. But you're just making shit up. If going from being a professor to being an entrepreneur -- which is what a VA is, and with far greater income and freedom than a professor -- is "condescending" to you, then you are very full of yourself.

quote:

quote:

Apparently, your "Live Simply" motto has been left in the dust . . . er, pixels.


A personal attack, Tim? Really?

Seriously? Get real.

You've been arguing for two pages now about how handwriting is dead and all writing is electronic. Nothing about that is "living simply." If statements of reality are "personal attacks" to you, you'll find yourself attacked frequently.

Since you're clearly on full defensive alert over this issue (befuddles me why), I don't doubt you'll find more cause before you're done.

Enjoy.




sweetgirlserves -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/4/2013 8:46:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Cursive handwriting, like shorthand, is obsolete. Computers have taken the place of notebooks. Power point has replaced blackboards. Texting has replaced memo taking.


What a load of crap.

Texting is hardly a replacement for memo taking. Prepared presentations are hardly the same as spontaneous use of a white board or blackboard. My VA can transcribe my teleseminars faster herself than I can using dictation software.

And "merely pretty" but "unnecessary" and "useless" knowledge of cursive writing is going to become important pretty quickly when a professor or a boss or anyone in whatever context hands a grown up a note the "modern" student is unable to read -- because it's in cursive.

Contrary to your quasi-utopian fantasy, all writing is not tied to machines.



It is here! Nobody leaves little pink memos. Everything is done by text (email, sms, kakao talk). In fact, the last two years when I've taught about memo taking, I've gotten blank stares. The students have *no idea* what I'm talking about. They've never seen a "while you were out" pad. In fact, the entire section has been removed from our (USA printed) text books.

I totally agree about presentations vs. spontaneous use of whiteboards. But that's what we see. How many TED talks, conference presentations, work dog and pony shows use whiteboards? Notes in class are taken on ipads and laptops and smart phones.

You're telling me that your assistant can write *in cursive* your words faster than dictation software can print it? You must talk awfully slowly! I can usually type about as fast as someone talks, but again, this is not cursive. Is your VA transcribing in shorthand? And then typing from the shorthand? That's double work and ...still not cursive.

Sorry, Tim, our experiences are vastly different. Cursive is unnecessary and if it isn't absolutely obsolete now, it sure will be by the time this upcoming generation is running the show.

Best wishes,
sunshine


Greetings to The Free,
Greetings sunshinemiss,

I fear how many words I have said, not understanding their power, and the damage I have caused from them.

I think we all need to really stop and think about the Power of Our Words. Stop. And. Think. First, what are we telling ourselves, and then what are we telling others.

If we are all caught up and totally reliant on the computer, what happens if we suddenly lose it. I went to the library today to get a book and I had an amazing awakening that I never anticipated. Have You gone to your local library lately? Go try to get some books, especially about communication, like leadership type of stuff perhaps, just as one possible suggestion. It is an interesting pursuit, and very eye-opening I must say. Thank God for the audio book I can access from my computer (for now) otherwise by the time I am done waiting on the waiting list with all the other Americans across the country, I may never get it... or it could take up to a year. I guess I could go to the bookstore instead... Oh wait... They're out of business, right? So I can go... where? To get information?

Well, I guess I could go to Blockbuster and get the video and watch the movie anyway, maybe learn some information or get some new, creative ideas about how things should be... Oh wait... Blockbuster is out of business too... Well, I guess there might be some small selection at Walmart, that the buyer chose for me to read... And I am familiar with how that works as well...

They want us to be all caught up and totally reliant on the computer, so when its gone...

If the most intelligent people left on the planet with half of any scrap of a free consciousness left in their brain after all the programming (including the speed-up communication that results in more miscommunication, I am postive, than communication), are going out in public, especially our English language or (or any language teacher, for that matter), who actually understand the importance of a comma in communication... if those few left on the planet go out into humanity with their Powerful Words and tell those left that.... There will not be any written language, etc. Or so much worse yet, those that have invested much of their life teaching the the importance of communicating a language correctly, fail to understand the importance of learning to write in cursive when you are young.

I was thinking about this the other day... You know, the Constitution of the United States of America, as an example, was not written by some obscure person behind a screen in a word processing document, nor did they press a 'spell check' or 'edit' button and entrust the computer to understand the meaning being the words and what was trying to be communicated... POWER, that was trying to be shared with other Human Beings. Power that was trying to be transmitted to the next generation. Power in Words, so that others would be equally so empowered, perhaps with just a nudge or two.

I am sure that each wordof the Constitution was carefully written, each letter, in fact, meticulously and slowly drawn on the paper, signifying the serious intent behind each letter, each word, each phrase, each sentence, etc.. I am sure it was inspected meticulously, checked for correct meaning in how it was written, punctuated, worded, etc... and then finally, it was dated and signed, in writing by real men, with real faces. Men of Large Power... like, John Hancock, for example. In the face of opposition, he ensured his Signature was clearly written without Fear. I'll tell you what I fear.. It is scary that we don't get it... We just don't get it.

Words are power, and I know from my own experience, the closer I am to something, the less I can "See the forest through the trees".. .... Those of us left with any scrap of idea in our head that guess what, no matter what is going on, WE create our own reality. Yep, we sure do. And here we are... how have we gotten here?

In the beginning... God created a Master Consciousness... and then what happened?

Sincerely,
~sgs



sunshinemiss -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/5/2013 7:25:15 AM)


Greetings to The Free,
Greetings sunshinemiss,

I fear how many words I have said, not understanding their power, and the damage I have caused from them.

I think we all need to really stop and think about the Power of Our Words. Stop. And. Think. First, what are we telling ourselves, and then what are we telling others.

If we are all caught up and totally reliant on the computer, what happens if we suddenly lose it.





hello sgs,
This is irrelevant. If I lose it, I go back to paper books...
and after all the forests have been destroyed? What then? ssm

I went to the library today to get a book and I had an amazing awakening that I never anticipated. Have You gone to your local library lately?



Yes, I have. ssm

Go try to get some books, especially about communication, like leadership type of stuff perhaps, just as one possible suggestion. It is an interesting pursuit, and very eye-opening I must say. Thank God for the audio book I can access from my computer (for now) otherwise by the time I am done waiting on the waiting list with all the other Americans across the country, I may never get it... or it could take up to a year. I guess I could go to the bookstore instead... Oh wait... They're out of business, right? So I can go... where? To get information?





For me, I have to order it to be shipped internationally.
I wait a couple weeks... or months... and then deal with the packaging.
It is expensive and time consuming and kills trees.
Alternatively, I can order it online, download it,
and start reading in a few minutes, save a tree, and
continue with my work while pocketing some money. ssm


Well, I guess I could go to Blockbuster and get the video and watch the movie anyway, maybe learn some information or get some new, creative ideas about how things should be... Oh wait... Blockbuster is out of business too... Well, I guess there might be some small selection at Walmart, that the buyer chose for me to read... And I am familiar with how that works as well...

They want us to be all caught up and totally reliant on the computer, so when its gone...





Where is it going? People said the same thing about t.v. and then the Internet. ssm

If the most intelligent people left on the planet with half of any scrap of a free consciousness left in their brain after all the programming (including the speed-up communication that results in more miscommunication, I am postive, than communication), are going out in public, especially our English language or (or any language teacher, for that matter), who actually understand the importance of a comma in communication... if those few left on the planet go out into humanity with their Powerful Words and tell those left that.... There will not be any written language, etc. Or so much worse yet, those that have invested much of their life teaching the the importance of communicating a language correctly, fail to understand the importance of learning to write in cursive when you are young.




what? ssm

I was thinking about this the other day... You know, the Constitution of the United States of America, as an example, was not written by some obscure person behind a screen in a word processing document, nor did they press a 'spell check' or 'edit' button and entrust the computer to understand the meaning being the words and what was trying to be communicated... POWER, that was trying to be shared with other Human Beings. Power that was trying to be transmitted to the next generation. Power in Words, so that others would be equally so empowered, perhaps with just a nudge or two.





You do realize of course that one of those great minds,
Ben Franklin, often wrote under a secret pseudonym. ssm



I am sure that each wordof the Constitution was carefully written, each letter, in fact, meticulously and slowly drawn on the paper, signifying the serious intent behind each letter, each word, each phrase, each sentence, etc.. I am sure it was inspected meticulously, checked for correct meaning in how it was written, punctuated, worded, etc... and then finally, it was dated and signed, in writing by real men, with real faces. Men of Large Power... like, John Hancock, for example. In the face of opposition, he ensured his Signature was clearly written without Fear. I'll tell you what I fear.. It is scary that we don't get it... We just don't get it.





I bet that newfangled printing press may have had something to do with it. ssm



Words are power, and I know from my own experience, the closer I am to something, the less I can "See the forest through the trees".. .... Those of us left with any scrap of idea in our head that guess what, no matter what is going on, WE create our own reality. Yep, we sure do. And here we are... how have we gotten here?

In the beginning... God created a Master Consciousness... and then what happened?




What? I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. ssm


Sincerely,
~sgs



sweetgirlserves -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/7/2013 11:17:12 PM)


Hello sunshinemiss,

You know, I love trees. Love trees. Love trees.

But guess what else I love. Books. Information. Especially, good information, that has been collected through the years.

And I love trees, but I think I don't mind planting a few new trees to make sure that every single library in the country has at least 2 copies of all classic literature, as one example. Why, simply because, my dear, electronic media, as wonderful as it is, is not as permanent at this point in time, as good old ink and paper.

I can accidentally erase my cd with a magnet, then I have, nothing.


~sgs



Musicmystery -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/8/2013 8:18:12 AM)

quote:

after all the forests have been destroyed? What then?


It's hard to take seriously someone who argues in extremest scenarios.

Too bad trees aren't a renewable resource.

Oh . . . wait . . .



JstAnotherSub -> RE: The Word of the Average American (12/8/2013 8:33:22 AM)

They have quit teaching cursive in the schools here. The whiteboards are not even for writing on, they are Promethean Boards that hook to the laptops of teachers. They use text to call out names for the car riders, instead of walkie talkies, so that eliminates another form of human interaction. Kids do have a hard time reading cursive. Whoda thunk being able to write cursive could make a student look at you and say "Whoa you can write cursive!". Not sure if it is a compliment or if they are calling me a dinosaur, but it is amusing and sad at the same time.

Handwritten notes are disappearing, which is sad. What is sadder is seeing someone get attacked for talking about their experiences regarding this. I would expect that on P&R, but not here.




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