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OsideGirl -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 6:26:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl




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As for safe words: I have them and I use them.
The very first instruction [my] Master gave me was "you never give up the right to say "No." .

He will not play without safe words.
And you should know that I am not His submissive, I am His slave.

Same here. Master would be more unhappy if I allowed his toy (me) to be broken out of my own pride.



Before we began playing, He expressed to me in very clear terms that He had to know I was willing to use them, or play would not happen.
He had to be able to trust in my ability to do that.

Same here. One of his favorite sayings is "Broken subs don't serve". He made it abundantly clear before we ever played that he expected me to use the tools he gave me and that failing him in that regard would disappoint him greatly.

Especially, since his goal is to get to "yellow" multiple times during a play session. His goal is to take me to the edge and then snatch me back, over and over again. Getting to "red" means play time is over, getting to "yellow" means we get to start over and do it again.






peppermint -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 6:27:57 PM)

Here is my opinion on safe words. Safe words take trust. You trust that your dominant will heed the safe work if and when you use it. The dominant must trust that you will use if and when you need to. If you don't use your safe word when you should have, there might be real potential danger in doing harm. By not using a safe word when you should have, you are breaking the trust your dominant had in you.





pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 6:32:51 PM)

Thank you all for the positive comments.
the sour tongues i could do without, i've had enough of those, as far as every Dom having something to teach, the last one taught me he could take me for $1500 for the electric bill in my name because he didn't have credit
he taught me he could get me for $1200 for direct tv because him and his wife didn't pay the freaking bill
he taught me he could get into my wallet when i was recuperating from back surgery and nail my account for $266 in over draft fees before they finally stopped my account, and he also taught me that he could promise me to repay the $500 i paid out to get his wifes licese in Fl because she got a ticket for driving on a suspended list from VA.. so YEP HE TAUGHT ME WELL!!!




pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 6:34:58 PM)

You are very correct in everything you say,, and yes i learned a very valuable lesson one i will never repeat.
Thank you for your input into my question.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 6:42:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pet1964
Thank you all for the positive comments.
the sour tongues i could do without, i've had enough of those, as far as every Dom having something to teach, the last one taught me he could take me for $1500 for the electric bill in my name because he didn't have credit
he taught me he could get me for $1200 for direct tv because him and his wife didn't pay the freaking bill
he taught me he could get into my wallet when i was recuperating from back surgery and nail my account for $266 in over draft fees before they finally stopped my account, and he also taught me that he could promise me to repay the $500 i paid out to get his wifes licese in Fl because she got a ticket for driving on a suspended list from VA.. so YEP HE TAUGHT ME WELL!!!

Just FYI: I wouldn't be willing to be the dom who immediately followed that. Different men are different, of course. But I'd only be interested in a woman with a solid answer to the question, "How are you going to ensure that never happens to you again?" An answer that she had thought through, and made part of her life.

EDIT: Also, PS, that paying for the dom's wife's suspended license ticket is a good example of the 40-something subfem behavior I was talking about. I'm not sure a lot of 21-year-old sub women would be willing to do that.




petitespot -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 6:43:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pet1964

Thank you all for the positive comments.
the sour tongues i could do without, i've had enough of those, as far as every Dom having something to teach, the last one taught me he could take me for $1500 for the electric bill in my name because he didn't have credit
he taught me he could get me for $1200 for direct tv because him and his wife didn't pay the freaking bill
he taught me he could get into my wallet when i was recuperating from back surgery and nail my account for $266 in over draft fees before they finally stopped my account, and he also taught me that he could promise me to repay the $500 i paid out to get his wifes licese in Fl because she got a ticket for driving on a suspended list from VA.. so YEP HE TAUGHT ME WELL!!!



Actually....all of that is your fault. Unless he held a gun to your head, he asked. You agreed.
Wanna loan me $300? There's a nice pair of boots I have my eyes on.




OsideGirl -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 6:50:58 PM)

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the sour tongues i could do without
I realize you view me as a sour tongue. I guess I'm supposed to be insulted, but I'm not. I have far more experience than you (20+ years), an advanced degree in relationship counseling and have achieved what you're trying to achieve, I'm happily married in a TPE relationship for over 14 years.

I'm bluntly honest rather than patting you on the head. These issues that you came here with could have been solved before they happened by simply having an adult conversation before getting to the point where they were an issue. But, for some reason your Dominant chose not to discuss his expectations. He chose to use physical acts rather than adult discussion. (I find it funny that most people would view that as bad parenting, but perfectly acceptable in a BDSM D/s relationship)

You can post a little temper tantrum that was only lacking the "neener, neener" at the end or you could stop letting your knee jerk control your reactions to stop and think about what is being said. We've seen literally thousands of people in your position over the years within the community. They get into relationships based on fantasy, then a few months later the relationship crashes and burns because it was driven by fantasy rather than good communication and relationships skills. (Red is also right in his correlation)

So, yeah, call me a horrible person....I don't care. My responses were based on good intentions made to make you question who you're choosing to lead you.







littlewonder -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 7:12:13 PM)

eeerr...do your own homework. If he wanted everyone else to do it for you he would have said so.

Google works wonders if you don't know the answers yourself.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 7:24:47 PM)

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Discussing expectations, disappointments and approaching it like adults tends to have much better results.



QFFT







angelikaJ -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 7:26:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pet1964

Thank you all for the positive comments.
the sour tongues i could do without, i've had enough of those, as far as every Dom having something to teach, the last one taught me he could take me for $1500 for the electric bill in my name because he didn't have credit
he taught me he could get me for $1200 for direct tv because him and his wife didn't pay the freaking bill
he taught me he could get into my wallet when i was recuperating from back surgery and nail my account for $266 in over draft fees before they finally stopped my account, and he also taught me that he could promise me to repay the $500 i paid out to get his wifes licese in Fl because she got a ticket for driving on a suspended list from VA.. so YEP HE TAUGHT ME WELL!!!



You found people who were untrustworthy.

At some point in our lives most of us have done that in some fashion or other.
However, your financial situation was caused by your poor judgement.

What you should have learned was that you were a lousy judge of character.

If you are lumping me in with the sour tongue club then you have a problem identifying kindness and compassion in it's various guises.
Not all kindness is gentle and it may not be what you want to hear.

"You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you might find
You get what you need"
Jagger and Richards

May you be receptive to receiving what you need.




kalikshama -> RE: Homework assignments (12/1/2013 7:48:17 PM)

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as far as every Dom having something to teach, the last one taught me he could take me for $1500 for the electric bill in my name because he didn't have credit
he taught me he could get me for $1200 for direct tv because him and his wife didn't pay the freaking bill
he taught me he could get into my wallet when i was recuperating from back surgery and nail my account for $266 in over draft fees before they finally stopped my account, and he also taught me that he could promise me to repay the $500 i paid out to get his wifes licese in Fl because she got a ticket for driving on a suspended list from VA.. so YEP HE TAUGHT ME WELL!!!


"He taught me he could take me..." is a lesson in giving your power to the wrong person. Can you turn this experience around to come away with a more empowering lesson learned? Try restating it in a way that takes your power back.




OsideGirl -> RE: Homework assignments (12/1/2013 7:55:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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as far as every Dom having something to teach, the last one taught me he could take me for $1500 for the electric bill in my name because he didn't have credit
he taught me he could get me for $1200 for direct tv because him and his wife didn't pay the freaking bill
he taught me he could get into my wallet when i was recuperating from back surgery and nail my account for $266 in over draft fees before they finally stopped my account, and he also taught me that he could promise me to repay the $500 i paid out to get his wifes licese in Fl because she got a ticket for driving on a suspended list from VA.. so YEP HE TAUGHT ME WELL!!!


"He taught me he could take me..." is a lesson in giving your power to the wrong person. Can you turn this experience around to come away with a more empowering lesson learned? Try restating it in a way that takes your power back.


Isn't it Jeff who says, "Rule #1 - don't give your power to an asshat?"

But, I'll stand by my comment, every Dominant teaches something. In this case it (hopefully) taught her a little bit about where she gives power.




pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 9:51:50 PM)

Well I look at another way, I have a good loving and kind heart, and trusted these people until i found out about all the other things that had been done while i was recouping from back surgery, the license was so she could go to work, without it there was no way for her to do that and there were two children who didn't choose their parents, they have to eat so,, I did the Christian thing and put the money out there, so i got screwed in the end, but i know i did the right thing and i can sleep at night, whether or not they can is a whole different story and not something i need to worry myself about. It was NOT done because i am over 40 and feel the need to be loved i was alone for a long time before entering into that relationship and would have no problem being alone now...
Finding Sir happened by accident and a happy one at that, so say what you will i am delighted with things as they are, i am growing and learning,, that's what i wanted all along.




pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignments (12/1/2013 9:59:43 PM)

OK listen UP... I'LL say it again...

IF IT WASN'T clear enough before,,, I was RECOUPING as IN TAKING LOTS OF PAIN MEDICATION they took my debit card out of my wallet and stole from me, I CAN'T PROVE it wasn't me over the phone signing up for the electric. or direct tv and all you have to do is swipe a card at walmart and they don't ask for ID in all the stores,

I did give her the $500 to cover her drivers license because they have 2 kids that have to eat and in order to feed them someone had to work so she needed her license. I did the Christian thing and paid for it, because I have a heart, sometimes too good of a heart, but I can sleep at night if they can, i won't know, and don't care!
I DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE POWER OVER MY MONEY I AM NOT STUPID HE STOLE THAT BUT BECAUSE SHE'S FEMALE AND THEY ALSO HAD MY SSN THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO, THEY HAD THAT BECAUSE THEY TOOK IT OUT OF MY WALLET. IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO THEM.




pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 10:07:10 PM)

No your comments were not the ones that i felt were sour
in fact they were pretty much right on the mark, i did find people who were untrustworthy
it's funny one of the first things he said to me was he wouldn't tolerate a liar.
What did he turn out to be? The worlds biggest liar!!!
Go figure!!!




pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 10:15:51 PM)

ERRRRR................ I don't recall asking for you to do my homework i just asked for opinions,
i did Google, and was confused by the things i found there,,, that's the ONLY reason i put myself through this!





pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 10:17:22 PM)

OK listen UP... I'LL say it again...

IF IT WASN'T clear enough before,,, I was RECOUPING as IN TAKING LOTS OF PAIN MEDICATION they took my debit card out of my wallet and stole from me, I CAN'T PROVE it wasn't me over the phone signing up for the electric. or direct tv and all you have to do is swipe a card at walmart and they don't ask for ID in all the stores,

I did give her the $500 to cover her drivers license because they have 2 kids that have to eat and in order to feed them someone had to work so she needed her license. I did the Christian thing and paid for it, because I have a heart, sometimes too good of a heart, but I can sleep at night if they can, i won't know, and don't care!
I DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE POWER OVER MY MONEY I AM NOT STUPID HE STOLE THAT BUT BECAUSE SHE'S FEMALE AND THEY ALSO HAD MY SSN THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO, THEY HAD THAT BECAUSE THEY TOOK IT OUT OF MY WALLET. IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO THEM.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/1/2013 11:12:43 PM)

Alrighty then.

I don't want to discuss your identity theft/credit fraud issues, I'm going to assume you've fixed everything with the police and the credit agencies and it's all ancient history.

I DO have a punishment dynamic, so you'll get no judgment from me about your decision to use one. I would like to know a little bit more about these punishments you received for 'topping from the bottom'.

I understand that phrase to mean 'manipulation'. It's saying 'you hit like a girl' when he's spanking because I want it harder, or 'a REAL dom would do xyz' or 'no, no it's ok, I don't mind you going out with your buddies this weekend, even though I'll be alone and sad'... it implies a degree of dishonesty because you are trying to control his actions.

What topping from the bottom is NOT, is asking for something, or even telling him to do something. That's just normal interaction. I say 'give me sex' and since he's the boss, he can say yes or no. I say 'take the trash out' and he can say 'don't boss me around' but I'm not 'topping' at any point during this exchange.

I just wanted to mention this because what you described didn't sound like topping from the bottom, and perhaps you need to not only do your homework, but also find out exactly what his expectations are. Clearly you are not addressing him in the way he prefers, but unless he's going to spell it out for you, you're going to keep fucking up. Clear expectations are necessary for success.

Of course maybe you are topping from the bottom. It's possible that in your previous abusive relationship you developed certain strategies of manipulation to get your needs met. Passive aggressive actions, perhaps, as a survival mechanism. Good idea to also look at your own actions and see if this is something you need to work on.

In my relationship, punishment is not taken lightly and there certainly woudn't be a punishment for an issue where I wasn't clear on the rules, as you seem not to be. That's just a case of beating someone up. Seriously, have the conversation. You need to know exactly what he wants from you, because there is no consensus in how subs should speak to doms.




pet1964 -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/2/2013 12:04:56 AM)

Your comments by far have been the most helpful in giving me more insight into what i need to do, get the guidelines cleared up.. and you are correct, in the past i was pretty much allowed to say what i wanted as long as a Sir came with it and i was respectful.. lol
I think it's more of what it is that i am saying rather than actually topping from the bottom and when i sent Him my assignment tonight i said in the text that what i had found was that tftb was trying to change how a scene goes instead of allowing the Dominant to handle that or say screaming too loudly to stop Him from using say the cane because He knows i dislike a cane,,, and not so much what i had said to earn what He called a (pink bottom) and all told i actually didn't think that it was all that bad as far as what a punishment could have been i think he let me off easy knowing that no ones ever taken the time to teach me a damn thing, and that i didn't really mean anything by what i had said to ear said (pink bottom) He however is a no nonsense kind of Dom, not one to let me walk all over Him, and finally this is what i need, i need someone to show me how to be a better me, and He knows that's a goal of mine, so perhaps the whole tftb thing is just his way of getting me to be more mindful of how and what i say to Him, but you are right we do need to have a discussion on exactly what is expected so that i don't fail, failure is not my friend and something i don't handle well. Sir and i had a long conversation about negativity on my part, it's something i need to work on,, go figure after what i've been through! But thank you for your very helpful comments!




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Homework assignment's (12/2/2013 1:06:41 AM)

Mind if I ask how long you've been his sub?

This whole 'no one has taken the time to teach me a damn thing' - even if they had, you would most likely need to start from scratch with a new partner. I've been married to my dom for seven years, D/s from the beginning, so I've had a decent amount of real-time experience. I would still get things wrong if I were suddenly with your dom instead, because every relationship is different. Doms and subs aren't interchangeable. Just something to bear in mind.

It sounds like you want a punishment dynamic, which is fine, but I wonder how much you have sat down and talked through all of the implications of this. From what you've told me, you've already incurred punishment on a rule you weren't clear on. That's the kind of thing that needs ironing out promptly or this is going to quickly start to feel like you can't win and there will be resentment.

I like a punishment dynamic, it works for me. BUT it took us a couple of years to figure out the right balance because it's a complicated thing. In reality, punishment alone doesn't change behaviour unless it's so horrifically severe that you daren't risk it again (and let's hope you wouldn't be in a relationship where that was a possibility). What changes the behaviour is a thorough understanding of why certain behaviours are desirable, a genuine desire to change, feeling that your needs are being met AND the appropriate tools to make a change, like practice or reminders. If you're being punished before the rules are totally clear, it's not going to work. If you slip up and get a spanking and that's the end of it, your behaviours will never change and you will end up in a vicious cycle. In other words, punishment should only be used as an add-on to all the normal relationship problem-solving methods, like talking, thinking about each other's needs, working together. You don't get to skip all that stuff and do spankings instead.

Some things to consider - you don't need to post the answers here if you don't want to, but I'd make sure you both agree on them:
- Exactly what are the rules? I suggest you pick one or two and build up slowly.
- How are you making sure you are both clear on the rules?
- What are the consequences for breaking the rules?
- How do things change in an emergency?
- What if you genuinely forget?
- Is there going to be a grace period for you to get used to the rules?
- If this involves a change of habit, how are you both going to help you change? Sticky notes? Daily practice? A code-word to remind you?
- Are these rules realistic for your lives?
- Are they making the relationship better or are they just for show?
- What is the goal of the punishment? (not just 'to train me' - specifically. To make up for what you did wrong? To help you remember next time? To show that you are still committed to the dynamic?)
- How often will you review the rules to make sure they are still relevant?
- How will you communicate to him if one of the rules is unsuitable?

Contrary to popular belief, you do have a say in what rules you follow. If something makes you miserable, or is just flat impossible to do (because you don't know how, or because it interferes with your work, for example) you need to be able to tell him and know you will be taken seriously. Rules with no point are harder to remember and follow - aim for rules that have a demonstrable benefit to the relationship. And communicate constantly. This is extra important given your background. Consider keeping a journal to get your thoughts straight on the matter.

And I know I've already said it, but it's so important I'm going to repeat it: there should not be punishments until you are perfectly clear on the rules and the terms. That is destructive to your dynamic.




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