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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
FOX news decries this as attacks on Christmas and Christianity

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Alright, we know that there are cities and school districts that have "banned" the saying of Merry Christmas, others have disallowed christmas songs of a religious nature from schools.

While FOX news decries this as attacks on Christmas and Christianity, it must be pointed out that school districts are a government entity, and as such come under the "separation of church and state" clause in the first amendment. Of course FOX news attacks any effort or move by any other religion to get the same treatment in public places. (example: The FOX and friends bullshit fest over a YMCA catering to the special needs of Muslim women.)

Now, facts that FOX news seems to be unaware of:

1) The date for Christmas December 25th, was chosen at the order of Constantine so that the christian feast of christ's birth was on the same day as the feast of the roman sun god, Sol Evictus. This was done so that the Christian Church got more widespread acceptance.

2) Information in the bible indicate that Jesus could have been born as early as mid march, and as late as mid autumn. December is too cold and rainy in Judea for shepherds to be in fields at night tending their flock.

3) When you take into account the birth of John the Baptist, it moves the time of Jesus' birth to early summer.

So until FOX realizes that it is screaming against parts of the Constitution they claim to support (as long as it only applies to christians) about a war against a holiday that has no basis in Christian belief or writings, this continued crap is going to go on.

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JLF, schools are already seperated from religion yet allow muslims to pray in school!

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I highly doubt that someone who says "Merry Christmas" or sings a Christmas song is....attempting to "establish" a religion.
The Christian religions are *already* "established."

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I wonder if you're spending all this time watching FOX or just parroting Media Matters? Also, the constitution says the government shall not institute a religion, not that it should police where or how people should practice religion. I understand some judges from the liberal side have taken the clause to extremes like making veterans cemeteries pull crosses off war memorials, or the City of Los Angeles take a cross out of its logo. But, I just don't agree with the liberal judges. So arguing that with me won't move me.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Alright, we know that there are cities and school districts that have "banned" the saying of Merry Christmas, others have disallowed christmas songs of a religious nature from schools.

While FOX news decries this as attacks on Christmas and Christianity, it must be pointed out that school districts are a government entity, and as such come under the "separation of church and state" clause in the first amendment. Of course FOX news attacks any effort or move by any other religion to get the same treatment in public places. (example: The FOX and friends bullshit fest over a YMCA catering to the special needs of Muslim women.)

Now, facts that FOX news seems to be unaware of:

1) The date for Christmas December 25th, was chosen at the order of Constantine so that the christian feast of christ's birth was on the same day as the feast of the roman sun god, Sol Evictus. This was done so that the Christian Church got more widespread acceptance.

2) Information in the bible indicate that Jesus could have been born as early as mid march, and as late as mid autumn. December is too cold and rainy in Judea for shepherds to be in fields at night tending their flock.

3) When you take into account the birth of John the Baptist, it moves the time of Jesus' birth to early summer.

So until FOX realizes that it is screaming against parts of the Constitution they claim to support (as long as it only applies to christians) about a war against a holiday that has no basis in Christian belief or writings, this continued crap is going to go on.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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JLF, schools are already seperated from religion yet allow muslims to pray in school!

Christians and Jews are allowed to pray in public schools as well as long as it is of their own volition and not disruptive to the educational process.

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I highly doubt that someone who says "Merry Christmas" or sings a Christmas song is....attempting to "establish" a religion.
The Christian religions are *already* "established."

A terribly irrelevant statement. The First Amendment prevents Congress or other government agencies (schools) from establishing (supporting) a religion. Any religion. Just because a religion is 'established' the State is not exempted from the First Amendment prohibition.

Your comments are irrational, Pops.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

it should be all about compromises, in italian state run schools there is a crucifix in every class by law, some years ago there's been quite a discussiona bout it, people didn't wanted to have it taken off, so the state allowed also jews and muslims to bring all the images of their god they liked, problem solved.

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Stewart fears that Christmas might actually be consuming other holidays (watch your back, Halloween).

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

it should be all about compromises, in italian state run schools there is a crucifix in every class by law, some years ago there's been quite a discussiona bout it, people didn't wanted to have it taken off, so the state allowed also jews and muslims to bring all the images of their god they liked, problem solved.

What! No photos of Charles Darwin on the wall?