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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:08:53 PM   
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That's what I'm saying. I realize that some groups here prefer otherwise, but it's a relatively public forum, and these grammar rules are not a vital part of the CoC. I'm not suggesting you have to like it or accept it, I'm suggesting you should allow it.

That would damage people though. They just won't make the same volume or quality of contacts in any online dating forum if they use chatspeak.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:10:40 PM   
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I for one don't care how someone communicates. I can read text speak, and there are times when its appropriate. In 3 weeks he may find that others come out of the woodwork who are a bit more accepting, and care less what those that insist on it say.
It's easy enough to leave those people/threads alone if that's not what you want to associate or participate with, but why drive them off?
The goal isn't to drive them off. The goal is to communicate that in a written medium, effort counts. By communicating in that manner, they are handicapping themselves. Especially, in a market where men far outnumber the women. The women get to pick and choose...and a lot of women think they're worth the extra two seconds it takes to "are" vs "R". A lot of women are going for the guy that is aware of how he presents himself and makes an effort to communicate. So, actually, not telling the poster that the text speak comes across as lazy and uneducated is more of a disservice than actually telling them how it gets viewed.


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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:12:47 PM   
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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:13:12 PM   
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Here's a tip you might like - it's possible to use Google to find threads on CollarChat if you plug in "collarme" as one of the keywords. I'm not sure if it's more or less reliable than the search feature here, but it can be done. The solution that works best for me is to click Subscribe on threads I want to find later. [/color][/size][/font]


yes I have done the google thing too to find a CM thread/post.. and I have seen the subscribe thingie but I don't think I have ever used it.. I will have to try that.. Thanks for reminding me about it!

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:21:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan
Here's a tip you might like - it's possible to use Google to find threads on CollarChat if you plug in "collarme" as one of the keywords. I'm not sure if it's more or less reliable than the search feature here, but it can be done. The solution that works best for me is to click Subscribe on threads I want to find later.


yes I have done the google thing too to find a CM thread/post.. and I have seen the subscribe thingie but I don't think I have ever used it.. I will have to try that.. Thanks for reminding me about it!


Glad I could help.

Maybe one of the FAQ threads should include a snippet of information on how to find threads besides using the search feature, lol.


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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:31:38 PM   
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~FRing it~

For me, it really boils down to one thing.

People have two choices....either they choose to stay or they choose to leave. I don't think that any amount of warm fuzzies from everyone here and the Mods going above and beyond their already above and beyond is going to magically make everything A-ok. So unless forced contribution at gunpoint becomes the new normal here, nothing can be done to retain people. New people elect to retain themselves.

And to cut some off at the pass, let's examine for one moment the whole "if the regulars weren't sew meen...the new people would stay" argument. For me, I chose to make my first post here despite the rumors that these "horrible evil meanie regulars" existed. Not sure who those evil meanies are and still haven't figured it out, but that's beside the point. I chose to continue posting here after my first post. And I continue to choose to return here regularly to contribute.

As a side note: I'm bitterly disappointed that my ass has yet to be shredded and thrown back at my by these elusive evil meanie regulars. What gives?!?!?!

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:32:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

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I for one don't care how someone communicates. I can read text speak, and there are times when its appropriate. In 3 weeks he may find that others come out of the woodwork who are a bit more accepting, and care less what those that insist on it say.
It's easy enough to leave those people/threads alone if that's not what you want to associate or participate with, but why drive them off?
The goal isn't to drive them off. The goal is to communicate that in a written medium, effort counts. By communicating in that manner, they are handicapping themselves. Especially, in a market where men far outnumber the women. The women get to pick and choose...and a lot of women think they're worth the extra two seconds it takes to "are" vs "R". A lot of women are going for the guy that is aware of how he presents himself and makes an effort to communicate. So, actually, not telling the poster that the text speak comes across as lazy and uneducated is more of a disservice than actually telling them how it gets viewed.



I don't see how what you say pertains to retaining new posters. You're arguing that you're doing a service, and I'm suggesting that current attitudes are why such a question even needs to be asked.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:34:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

~FRing it~

For me, it really boils down to one thing.

People have two choices....either they choose to stay or they choose to leave. I don't think that any amount of warm fuzzies from everyone here and the Mods going above and beyond their already above and beyond is going to magically make everything A-ok. So unless forced contribution at gunpoint becomes the new normal here, nothing can be done to retain people. New people elect to retain themselves.

And to cut some off at the pass, let's examine for one moment the whole "if the regulars weren't sew meen...the new people would stay" argument. For me, I chose to make my first post here despite the rumors that these "horrible evil meanie regulars" existed. Not sure who those evil meanies are and still haven't figured it out, but that's beside the point. I chose to continue posting here after my first post. And I continue to choose to return here regularly to contribute.

As a side note: I'm bitterly disappointed that my ass has yet to be shredded and thrown back at my by these elusive evil meanie regulars. What gives?!?!?!



I think you have proven yourself to be a valuable contributor here.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:37:40 PM   
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Coming from what I consider a valuable contributor here herself, I'm honored to hear that

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 7:56:37 PM   
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Valuable contributors are awesome. But is that a requirement for posters? It seems that some feel only "valuable contributors" should be welcome.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:04:20 PM   
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Dude, frankly I think that no matter what anyone says...you are only going to see the sky color of your choice.

At no time did I say anything about welcomes being based on the value of what a person says. But feel free to beat the deceased equine if you must. Personally I think using a grinder is easier for making minced horse meat, but if a baseball bat is your utensil of choice...rock it. I'm personally a fan of working smarter, not harder.

Again, it's free will. You choose to stay or you choose to leave. Everyone here could become uniformly kind and nice tomorrow and there is still going to be a problem retaining people. You can't make people do something they don't want to do. And yes, that does include posting here.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:09:54 PM   
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Valuable contributors are awesome. But is that a requirement for posters? It seems that some feel only "valuable contributors" should be welcome.

The valueless contributors will make dozens of new profiles and reappear, again and again, for years.

It's like dating. You can't run off somebody with nothing to lose. They'll stalk you. The only people worth trying to impress are the ones who've got it going on, because unless you make an effort, they're outta here.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:25:02 PM   
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Valuable contributors are awesome. But is that a requirement for posters? It seems that some feel only "valuable contributors" should be welcome.

What a trap. LOL.

Hey, I'm even going to fall for it. Do I prefer folks who add something to the experience around here? You bet. I didn't get to this post count because I don't like the conversations.

And don't let those nice things that folks say about Me here fool you. I've been hauled over the rails plenty of times just because somebody took something in a different way than it was intended. With very few exceptions, that happens to just about everybody at one time or another.

On the same note, for all of the stuff that's being said about the regulars or veterans, people are forgetting that we were all new to this forum once, too. We got bopped on the head when we made mistakes. Some of us by each other. Geez. The way this thread is going and the way people are making it sound about how harsh everybody is, folks who come to the site today would have never been able to manage a few years back.

Lots of people on this thread have been 'new' since I've been here. They are valuable posters. Nothing wrong with that.



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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:29:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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Valuable contributors are awesome. But is that a requirement for posters? It seems that some feel only "valuable contributors" should be welcome.

The valueless contributors will make dozens of new profiles and reappear, again and again, for years.

It's like dating. You can't run off somebody with nothing to lose. They'll stalk you. The only people worth trying to impress are the ones who've got it going on, because unless you make an effort, they're outta here.


So I'll chalk one up for "only valuable contributors should be welcome" in the "what can we do to retain newbies" thread. I don't disparage your opinion, fwiw. How would you retain more people in the forums?

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:35:00 PM   
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Valuable contributors are awesome. But is that a requirement for posters? It seems that some feel only "valuable contributors" should be welcome.

What a trap. LOL.

Hey, I'm even going to fall for it. Do I prefer folks who add something to the experience around here? You bet. I didn't get to this post count because I don't like the conversations.

And don't let those nice things that folks say about Me here fool you. I've been hauled over the rails plenty of times just because somebody took something in a different way than it was intended. With very few exceptions, that happens to just about everybody at one time or another.

On the same note, for all of the stuff that's being said about the regulars or veterans, people are forgetting that we were all new to this forum once, too. We got bopped on the head when we made mistakes. Some of us by each other. Geez. The way this thread is going and the way people are making it sound about how harsh everybody is, folks who come to the site today would have never been able to manage a few years back.

Lots of people on this thread have been 'new' since I've been here. They are valuable posters. Nothing wrong with that.




That's kind of the point. The current filter WORKS. You get quality new people in here. But the question is how to retain other new posters, the ones that don't stick around. I've heard a couple votes for "it can't increase" and I disagree.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:39:46 PM   
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I already answered that question. There's nothing on this side of the site that will make a statistical impact on percentage of posters retained per number of new OPs. To increase the number of posters retained per month, one would have to increase the number of repeat impressions on the profile side, especially impressions generated by single women. If the same number of single women posted here as posted here a few years ago, this would be a hopping place. It's like a bar: make the woman happy and the guys will show. But that's a deep project, requiring a lot more than forum modification.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:42:21 PM   
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I already answered that question. There's nothing on this side of the site that will make a statistical impact on percentage of posters retained per number of new OPs. To increase the number of posters retained per month, one would have to increase the number of repeat impressions on the profile side, especially impressions generated by single women. If the same number of single women posted here as posted here a few years ago, this would be a hopping place. It's like a bar: make the woman happy and the guys will show. But that's a deep project, requiring a lot more than forum modification.


I respectfully disagree. A simple post-first-post survey would tell us the facts.

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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:43:49 PM   
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That's kind of the point. The current filter WORKS. You get quality new people in here. But the question is how to retain other new posters, the ones that don't stick around. I've heard a couple votes for "it can't increase" and I disagree.

I've always been a huge advocate of folks working more with the Positive Experience and Upcoming Events section. I think those things give people hope when a lot of folks come here wondering if people really do these things.

I also think we're missing out in something that has fallen by the wayside that we don't seem to encourage folks to hit the Humor and Games section like we used to. It gave people a chance to get to know people and let them ease into things here. Believe it or not, that's worked for more than a few folks around here.



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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:47:06 PM   
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I already answered that question. There's nothing on this side of the site that will make a statistical impact on percentage of posters retained per number of new OPs. To increase the number of posters retained per month, one would have to increase the number of repeat impressions on the profile side, especially impressions generated by single women. If the same number of single women posted here as posted here a few years ago, this would be a hopping place. It's like a bar: make the woman happy and the guys will show. But that's a deep project, requiring a lot more than forum modification.


I respectfully disagree. A simple post-first-post survey would tell us the facts.

The difference is that I know what I'm talking about, and you don't. The retention percentage here is comparable to that of reddit, and multiple StackExchange sites. I'm not really giving you an opinion. I'm telling you what is well understood by social network engineering.


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RE: What can we do to [train] new posters? - 12/18/2013 8:59:49 PM   
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How in the hell did this thing get to 10 pages already?

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