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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 4:41:45 PM

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Why ask only about how to retain new posters? What about retaining old timers who maybe get a little irascible and sarcastic at times, but who often have so much wisdom to offer and who provide some entertainment value to boot?

People have pointed out that the forums have some sadists participating and newbies could stand to develop a thicker skin. If the entire governing body of the forums also developed a thicker skin, we might not have the exodus of funny and interesting people we do now and maybe the forums wouldn't be as flat as they've been for some time.

I do not know what you mean. If you wish to criticize moderation not related to new posters, please do so on a new thread.

I'm not blaming anyone and as (probably) everyone knows I'm real big on "free speech."
i was "moderated" for 30 days last year so i decided to take a 7 month hiatus.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 4:47:02 PM

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My point in this stroll down memory lane is that he was a newbie who was adored, yet he moved on anyway. That little dude was showered in love and niceness, yet he went in the wind. It happens. The Internet is transient in its nature. We could all be so nice tomorrow that we'd put people into sugar comas, but will it make people stay that ordinarily wouldn't? I'm not 100% sure but if we look at Jay as an example...it didn't.

Oh, sure. I think the question is whether we can retain more, not everyone.

Personally, I'd love to see Nihilus back on here, but that's highly unlikely to happen. And not because of any great drama, he just prefers the group system on Fetlife.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 5:00:38 PM

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Sounds like a lot of history and grudges against people that are not even staff anymore.

I am not going to do any ass kissing, so I guess that plan is out, unless other staff want to do it. I suppose the human ego is one of the things that tends to turn good things bad.

Hope things work well for you and I hope you may post some more of your better material here in the future.

Regards,
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For the mods to complain how someone like me has called them assholes an ingrates in private emails is laughable. Of course we have, we saw the complete and utter hypocrisy of what they were doing.

So, CM has a reputation in the real world kink scene as a place for scammers and idiots and anyone who participates here as an idiot. I don't say that as a slam but as a fact anyone trying to renovate this place is going to have to deal with if they want to keep newbies here. Otherwise it is going to simply serve as a stepping stone people leave when they grow up and become involved in the real world kink scene and discover the reputation this place has.

Most important, this place used to have people like John Warren who wrote one of the classic kink books posting here, a number of national leather educators also posted here, people who own groups and the like.

I wont mention names but there were also amazing supporters of this place that organized get togethers all over the world of CM people and who has probably met more members than anyone else.

If anyone is serious about pulling this place out of its current state, some serioious ass kissing and apologies as well as polite requests to return just might go a long way to enticing a few of them to return. Without people of stature here, this will always be a way station and bleeding off of members will continue which just makes the signal to noise ratio get worse and worse.

This place has a lot of features and structural advantages over fets really terrible forum featurs. Search being only one, the ability to edit posts is sadly missed by many of us over there.

Yes, that always seemed to be a problem in the past, Mods who always sided with the same people and obviously had their own political beliefs.
Currently the Mods seem to be a lot more fair and that's a good thing.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 5:06:32 PM

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I think some things stated in the thread are probably correct. It shouldn't be a question of what can be done to retain new posters. It's also a question of retaining posters in general. If all it's going to be is the 101 type stuff, that's all you're going to end up with.

I don't know what Gamma has in mind and I don't know what the resources are for disposal. Specifically for new posters, I think having a Mod who checks over and welcomes entries *only* in Professional Services isn't the best option. That should be an across the board deal and also include the Introductions section. Not doing both sends an underlying message that, while fellow members will welcome a new poster, Mods are only giving that nice "welcome to the forums" message if the ad is placed in the Professional's section.

I know it's more time consuming for staff, but those are My two cents on that particular matter.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 5:14:16 PM

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SimplyMichael,
I am not certain that you realise this but quite awhile ago John Warren posted the reason he was not going to be posting very much anymore.
It was a health issue and had nothing to do with this site.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 5:17:46 PM

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Just as an aside... because I haven't read this thread.... I just wanted to mention...

Every time I see it scroll across the top... I read it as "What can we do to retrain new posters?"

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 5:18:00 PM

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I say to try fudge but there might be chocolicols on here...

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 5:35:55 PM

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Has anyone actually read the tag lines under the topic categories?

I have, and TOS, and stickies, all those thingies. But I'm also the one who can be anal (get yer minds outta the gutter

)about stuff like that there.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 5:59:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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Why ask only about how to retain new posters? What about retaining old timers who maybe get a little irascible and sarcastic at times, but who often have so much wisdom to offer and who provide some entertainment value to boot?

People have pointed out that the forums have some sadists participating and newbies could stand to develop a thicker skin. If the entire governing body of the forums also developed a thicker skin, we might not have the exodus of funny and interesting people we do now and maybe the forums wouldn't be as flat as they've been for some time.

I do not know what you mean. If you wish to criticize moderation not related to new posters, please do so on a new thread.

I'm not blaming anyone and as (probably) everyone knows I'm real big on "free speech."
i was "moderated" for 30 days last year so i decided to take a 7 month hiatus.

I blame everyone.

(It's muuuuch faster....and far easier to keep track of).

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 6:18:30 PM

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I get a bit narked when the same tired, whiny old voices witter on about 'the clique' driving away new members. Yet I'm looking on the boards and seeing new people joining every day, and even hanging around and joining in.

Being on any internet messageboard requires social skills, a thick skin and an ability to join in. Those who don't hang around lack at least one (but usually more) of those particular traits. In which case, is a messageboard full of sexual deviants, some of whom like to hurt or be hurt, really the right place for such a precious snowflake?

I think this is good advice for any message board, no matter if one is a reg or a newbie.

What I always find interesting is that there are usually different standards applied to newbies (or those who might tend to swim against the current).

A typical scenario might be a newbie coming in and posting something "questionable" and getting the usual snark from the regulars. So far, so good. Then the newbie fights back and starts throwing buckshot towards the regulars. That's also okay, imo, since the snarky regs opened themselves up to that. They're giving newbies the impression that that tone and style of posting are permissible, so they're just "joining in" too, aren't they?

I believe it gets out of line, though, when one or more regs cry "foul" and act as if the newbie has made some horrible offense when all they've done is respond in kind to the treatment they've received. I see that as some of the regs being thin-skinned, not the newbies. Everyone needs to be thick-skinned, not just the newbies.

I'm a veteran of Usenet and political forums which are unmoderated. They could be all-out free-for-alls where people had to have a thick skin. But at least it was a level playing field where, if someone lets loose on you, you have the freedom to let loose on them.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 7:54:02 PM

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I think having a Mod who checks over and welcomes entries *only* in Professional Services isn't the best option. That should be an across the board deal and also include the Introductions section. Not doing both sends an underlying message that, while fellow members will welcome a new poster, Mods are only giving that nice "welcome to the forums" message if the ad is placed in the Professional's section.

I didn't realize it was coming across that way. A post in that section means we've verified that the poster has given us the required reciprocal link. Perhaps we'll switch to "Thanks for giving collarme a link."

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 7:55:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity
My point in this stroll down memory lane is that he was a newbie who was adored, yet he moved on anyway. That little dude was showered in love and niceness, yet he went in the wind. It happens. The Internet is transient in its nature. We could all be so nice tomorrow that we'd put people into sugar comas, but will it make people stay that ordinarily wouldn't? I'm not 100% sure but if we look at Jay as an example...it didn't.

Oh, sure. I think the question is whether we can retain more, not everyone.

Personally, I'd love to see Nihilus back on here, but that's highly unlikely to happen. And not because of any great drama, he just prefers the group system on Fetlife.

The question I was referring to was Chi's original question of what we can do to retain new posters. The person I was referring to was a new poster who was treated with kindness, but still didn't stick around. So it can't really all be the fault of mean regulars. People just move on sometimes, even if they are treated very nicely.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 8:15:38 PM

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Well, that's certainly one way to retain people

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 10:06:28 PM

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There has been a lot of mention of the fact that new posters are held to higher standards than regulars - they don't 'get away with' things that regulars might. While I'm not saying it's right, it's also not surprising and probably isn't going to change a whole lot. Pretty much any social situation where a new person enters the group, they are expected to be a bit careful to begin with. Everyone else knows each other - we know Ron is going to mention blowjobs at every moment, and Crazyml has that combo of sharp humour and sensible advice, and ChatteParfait is a tough love kinda gal. We read their posts with that context in mind, so we are less likely to interpret their comments as being horrible. We don't know the new posters yet, if they say something that seems mean or idiotic, we're less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Don't get me wrong - we SHOULD think for a moment before we criticize, but some of this is just basic social dynamics. If I go to a board/club where no one knows me and say sarcastic things or use a harsh tone or whatever, I shouldn't be surprised that people don't see me as the ball of sunshine that I really am. This is especially true online where the lack of body language and tone makes it easy to misunderstand each other's intentions.

I do however agree that we should try hard not to 'pile on'. If one person has pointed out a picture that breaks the rules or some other faux pas, we should probably assume the OP got the message and not feel the need to tell them six or seven times that it's 'dominant' not 'dominate'.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 11:07:10 PM

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That would work, but it would also involve making an effort.
Which is probably exactly the reason why the mods are unlikely to do anything of the sort, especially when it's easier to change one of the member titles, and then pretend that they've achieved something constructive...

Rest assured that staff is discussing this thread. You could help us out by making a list of bullet points, and separated by:

1. No coding changes
2. Minor coding changes - forum side
3. Minor coding changes - profile side
4. Major coding changes - forum side
5. Major coding changes - profile side

Unless I skimmed over reading anybody else's suggestion that has already been made here:

3. Why aren't switches color-coded separately instead of getting lumped in with submissives?

3. Which raises another issue about adding categories for Tops and bottoms. If those get color-coded the same as Dominants and submissives do, respectively, that won't be nearly as confusing.

2. Other than having a self-disclosing user name, does it matter if we know whether a poster is classified a certain way? For example, if on Ask A Mistress, the answers given are not those by any dominant females but by submissive females, should a newcomer who is assuming he is getting answers from Dommes be able to know the difference? Don't get me wrong, all opinions have their own merit, and women are women across the board for the most part. There are specific matters, however, where a male sub might post on a certain forum expecting to get input or feedback from that particular perspective, say on body worship or even the use of the word worship.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 11:23:28 PM

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Why aren't switches color-coded separately instead of getting lumped in with submissives?

Oh come on, everybody knows that a switch is just a sub who hasn't met the right Dom.

You must have been reading my mind

... but I have run into switches who are perfectly happy with another switch, I should point out.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/21/2013 1:53:53 AM

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new posters are held to higher standards than regulars - they don't 'get away with' things that regulars might.

Welcome to the Internet.

That's my point, or rather my point was 'welcome to the world'.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/21/2013 4:31:30 AM

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That would work, but it would also involve making an effort.
Which is probably exactly the reason why the mods are unlikely to do anything of the sort, especially when it's easier to change one of the member titles, and then pretend that they've achieved something constructive...

Rest assured that staff is discussing this thread. You could help us out by making a list of bullet points, and separated by:

1. No coding changes
2. Minor coding changes - forum side
3. Minor coding changes - profile side
4. Major coding changes - forum side
5. Major coding changes - profile side

If no coding, then I need to know what version of the PDG software you are using. I thought it was a very old custom coded version that the owners modified. When I first got here, I loaded a full web site into the test forums with pictures. Mod 16 told me no photos were allowed and I asked why they didn't just turn off the pics option. I had to teach Mod 16 that there were zone controls that regulate picture uploads.

My understanding is the owners work as ITs. A simple little tweek here and there shouldn't be too bad, but to hard code a module from scratch is a pain. Why not export the Sql data and use a newer software with more options?

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/21/2013 4:53:59 AM

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Why not export the Sql data and use a newer software with more options?

Because it still requires a coder? If it was me I would be going for modern core software (API's) and plug ins.

Even the most trivial changes take time, money and testing before they can be made available to users of the site. If the site isn't prepared to pay for any coding then it will stagnate and god help us if it breaks.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/21/2013 5:01:14 AM

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Even the most trivial changes take time, money and testing before they can be made available to users of the site. If the site isn't prepared to pay for any coding then it will stagnate and god help us if it breaks.

Unfortunately, I'd assume that's the situation. I've never seen any evidence that the site's owners motivations are anything other then commercial. Nor do they seem keen on investing much money in the site; they mostly just sit back and take the profits while spending as little as possible.

Unless someone has some cash they fancy chucking into a start-up (and there potentially is a gap in the market), we probably have to work from the understanding that nothing that costs is going to be implemented.

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