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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:25:04 PM

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I'm conceptualizing ideas such as adding a new section to the forums, which we may be able implement ourselves with current forum management tools, as "minor coding."

Can we assume that any facility that's relatively straightforward to implement on other forums (VBulletin say) is minor coding?

Perhaps Gamma will be able to shed more light, but making changes for which the functionality already exists is probably minor, and if it doesn't, it's major. So if VBulletin has features this doesn't, it would be major. No matter how simple it seems, if we cannot do it with our existing tools (and I apologize for not being able to detail them) consider the change to be major.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:28:13 PM

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Yay! All is right in the world. I'm once again the infamous atm girl.
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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:30:02 PM

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What about a "newbie" section? Newer (vanilla level) could ask questions without anyone coming back with "do a search"...I am not advocating coddling but at least it would be a place for the new people to ask questions without fear of being ridiculed. The intro section only allows you one post and it does not really allow for discussion or giving advice.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:35:11 PM

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I believe that is the most mentioned idea on this thread and is indeed being discussed by staff.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:40:05 PM

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Oh man, I just remembered the winter holiday is fast approaching. We're likely to get a big influx of newbies in the next couple of weeks. It might be best if that newbie forum happened sooner rather than later.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:44:04 PM

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It might be best if that newbie forum happened sooner rather than later.

Yup, then they can complain that no one is answering them, rather than getting answers that are "mean".

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:50:37 PM

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For the mods to complain how someone like me has called them assholes an ingrates in private emails is laughable. Of course we have, we saw the complete and utter hypocrisy of what they were doing.

So, CM has a reputation in the real world kink scene as a place for scammers and idiots and anyone who participates here as an idiot. I don't say that as a slam but as a fact anyone trying to renovate this place is going to have to deal with if they want to keep newbies here. Otherwise it is going to simply serve as a stepping stone people leave when they grow up and become involved in the real world kink scene and discover the reputation this place has.

Most important, this place used to have people like John Warren who wrote one of the classic kink books posting here, a number of national leather educators also posted here, people who own groups and the like.

I wont mention names but there were also amazing supporters of this place that organized get togethers all over the world of CM people and who has probably met more members than anyone else.

If anyone is serious about pulling this place out of its current state, some serioious ass kissing and apologies as well as polite requests to return just might go a long way to enticing a few of them to return. Without people of stature here, this will always be a way station and bleeding off of members will continue which just makes the signal to noise ratio get worse and worse.

This place has a lot of features and structural advantages over fets really terrible forum featurs. Search being only one, the ability to edit posts is sadly missed by many of us over there.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:56:16 PM

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Yeah on alot of it, but Merc points out the editing feature as something he sees as 'dishonest' so I think for that its gonna be a horse apiece.

Moderators here havent done any less greasy horseshithere than Fetcunts; Baku, caretakers, thread owners or moderators there, the deal is it is mostly hidden due to the proliferation of forums there. Here they are more visible here, is all.

That perception is likely to remain, cuz they aint gonna go the FetDo shit here, why? cuz that model is fucked too........

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 2:59:12 PM

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It might be best if that newbie forum happened sooner rather than later.

Yup, then they can complain that no one is answering them, rather than getting answers that are "mean".

You and stef are in cahoots. I will not let you ruin my fantasy.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:11:15 PM

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Moderators here havent done any less greasy horseshithere than Fetcunts; Baku, caretakers, thread owners or moderators there, the deal is it is mostly hidden due to the proliferation of forums there. Here they are more visible here, is all.

Baku's "HURRR I AM GOING TO LINK TO A CHILD'S YOUTUBE VIDEO" was a higher level of phail then anything I've seen here, even at its worse.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:12:44 PM

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I will grant you that, but even then, think of all the thousands upon thousands of threads that was not promulgated to. Only the Fetclique (if there is a cm clique) was aware of it, with a few left overs.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:14:00 PM

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I will grant you that, but even then, think of all the thousands upon thousands of threads that was not promulgated to. Only the Fetclique (if there is a cm clique) was aware of it, with a few left overs.

Yeah, that's a good point. One advantage of the Fetlife model is that stuff like that gets buried a lot quicker. Honestly, I'd still be there. If it wasn't run by a fucking moron who shouldn't be allowed to cross the road on his own.

EDIT: I think people may be able to see why I normally try to post at least vaguely nicely. When I don't, I really don't.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:17:13 PM

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Moderators here havent done any less greasy horseshithere than Fetcunts; Baku, caretakers, thread owners or moderators there, the deal is it is mostly hidden due to the proliferation of forums there. Here they are more visible here, is all.

Baku's "HURRR I AM GOING TO LINK TO A CHILD'S YOUTUBE VIDEO" was a higher level of phail then anything I've seen here, even at its worse.

And there was also that fiasco with the gal who got outted by her ex which led to her stalker locating her or something like that, the answer to which was a lot of victim blaming BS by one of the caretakers. FetLife has its pros but the cons are things that are worse than anything I've seen here.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:26:06 PM

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If anyone is serious about pulling this place out of its current state, some serioious ass kissing and apologies as well as polite requests to return just might go a long way to enticing a few of them to return. Without people of stature here, this will always be a way station and bleeding off of members will continue which just makes the signal to noise ratio get worse and worse.

Content and value will drive the presence of "people of stature," not ass kissing. For example, I would love to have a History section here, and trawl the History of the Lifestyle group on Fet for content I could post here, so all that amazing material would be searchable and indexable. I don't have the time for it right now though. Unless there is world-class content here, all the ass kissing in the world won't mean a thing, even if it's deserved (which I'm not sure of in some cases, tbh, that one supporter you mention was typing some pretty crazy things on CM Refugees the last time I checked, a couple years ago).

Incidentally, if changing profile buttons is at all a possibility, "Just Here for the Forums" seems as important an addition as "Top" and "Bottom."

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:44:54 PM

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and I didnt mean that mods here havent done less greasy horseshit, they have done less greasy horseshit than fetcunts et al have done, thats what I meant, most moderator fuck ups here are kind hearted and not that level of nasty arrogant shiteating that goes at Fet.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:45:21 PM

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I keep hearing things like "quality posters" and if they are not then they get corrected. If they have not read the TOS, they get corrected publically by someone other than a moderator. If they ask something already answered or the regulars are irked about the question then they get "corrected", as if somehow who has posted 20k postings more or less somehow, given they spend to damn long on forums, has a right to judge.

Not so. It's none of anyone's business how newbies post or how good their profile looks. That's pure arrogance if you think you can sit in judgment of another's ability to post, or their goals here, or even if they are being truthful because it's simply not your place. It's not your place and frankly nobody really cares what regulars think about a newbie.

So, hands off the newbies, treat everyone as if you are standing in a club and adhering to rules and mind your own business and give advice when asked or don't say anything except to be friendly or give help and friendly advice and lose the snark, just as if you were standing in a club. Mods, be ruthless, just as if you were a dungeon monitor.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:53:33 PM

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I keep hearing things like "quality posters" and if they are not then they get corrected. If they have not read the TOS, they get corrected publically by someone other than a moderator.

The problem with this method is that there are only so many moderators and they have their hands full with an extremely busy board. They can't be everywhere at once and requiring them to be the only ones to point out where a newbie has gone wrong in posting is onerous. It makes more sense to let forum regulars point out the FAQs, TOS, and Search. One could make a case for setting up a cadre of regulars to act as mentors, as has been suggested more than once in this thread. They can help newbies in that regard and take that load off the shoulders of the moderators. But asking the mods to do it all is unrealistic.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 3:57:22 PM

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Newbie sections are great. Not sure how changing the "vanilla" designation to "new person" will make a huge difference, but change sometimes is good. I guess I've just never seen anyone saying"what the fuck is this 'vanilla' shit?!!? I'm hardcore! Fuck that shit, I'm outta here." But I'll give credit where credit is due

Any of the ladies from Ask A Mistress remember that little cutie Jay? I'm pretty sure everyone would have loved that little newbie dude into a coma because all the ladies seemed to love him. Some other relative unknown poster started something with him once regarding race (I think) and he instantly had a horde of tough ass she beasts down to do battle for that guy. Anyone seen him? Nope, he moved on I guess. Or just stopped coming.

My point in this stroll down memory lane is that he was a newbie who was adored, yet he moved on anyway. That little dude was showered in love and niceness, yet he went in the wind. It happens. The Internet is transient in its nature. We could all be so nice tomorrow that we'd put people into sugar comas, but will it make people stay that ordinarily wouldn't? I'm not 100% sure but if we look at Jay as an example...it didn't.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 4:08:31 PM

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Sounds like a lot of history and grudges against people that are not even staff anymore.

I am not going to do any ass kissing, so I guess that plan is out, unless other staff want to do it. I suppose the human ego is one of the things that tends to turn good things bad.

Hope things work well for you and I hope you may post some more of your better material here in the future.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

For the mods to complain how someone like me has called them assholes an ingrates in private emails is laughable. Of course we have, we saw the complete and utter hypocrisy of what they were doing.

So, CM has a reputation in the real world kink scene as a place for scammers and idiots and anyone who participates here as an idiot. I don't say that as a slam but as a fact anyone trying to renovate this place is going to have to deal with if they want to keep newbies here. Otherwise it is going to simply serve as a stepping stone people leave when they grow up and become involved in the real world kink scene and discover the reputation this place has.

Most important, this place used to have people like John Warren who wrote one of the classic kink books posting here, a number of national leather educators also posted here, people who own groups and the like.

I wont mention names but there were also amazing supporters of this place that organized get togethers all over the world of CM people and who has probably met more members than anyone else.

If anyone is serious about pulling this place out of its current state, some serioious ass kissing and apologies as well as polite requests to return just might go a long way to enticing a few of them to return. Without people of stature here, this will always be a way station and bleeding off of members will continue which just makes the signal to noise ratio get worse and worse.

This place has a lot of features and structural advantages over fets really terrible forum featurs. Search being only one, the ability to edit posts is sadly missed by many of us over there.

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RE: What can we do to retain new posters? - 12/20/2013 4:12:26 PM

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I agree with RedMagic that content and value are the lures that will drive up the quality of the discussions and this forum (liberally paraphrasing him). That is why I keep harping on the need to keep the experienced posters here, at least as much as the need to retain newbies, the topic of the thread. Newbies (I am one) have more questions than wisdom or experience. Obviously.

The continual drain of old timers leaves a tiny core of wisdom and experience and a big and often annoying pool of floundering newbies. It's why I like the idea of allowing revival of necro threads, though I greatly prefer to keep the contributors to those necro threads on the forums. Look at a thread from a few years ago. See how many involved members have names you don't recognize or see anymore.

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