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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Back in the good old days when IRC was how people cybered... I had a lot of very real fun in the #bisexfem channel having kick-ass lesbian cyber as "Mandy" with "Chloe", who was almost certainly another oversexed dude, pretending to be a chick.

Crap! Mandy was YOU?!?!?!

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

Any advance in technology that allows me to have a virtual threesome with two other Apocalypsos is one I heartily approve of.

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

It's posters like you, who think their world view is the only correct one, that make this place a less than happy experience. B/c too many will try to argue their own view, and that's what you want.

It's all just a smokescreen for posting in the forums to drive traffic to your online fem dom business.

You want to convince your clients what you do is real...be my guest. Convince away.

But thinking you can convince people who do this real time is not going to happen.

Now, you could say a conversation here, or a conversation on the phone, or one in real time is the same. And I'll say no it's not. In real time you get the benefit of body language, which comprises 90% or more of how humans communicate. The phone allows for the changes in tone and timber in a voice, more communication cues which are totally lost in online communication.

You see, if I was standing in front of you right now, you'd see my left eyebrow cocked up in amusement, and the wicked smile on my face, and the frown line between my brows b/c as much as I love debate, I'm not going to waste much time on you.

But you go on arguing with your bad self. LOL

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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If I'm in my flat with someone and he tells me to put the clamps on and I do - it hurts. If I'm on the phone with someone and they tell me to put the clamps on and I do - it hurts. The pain is just as real whether they are there or not. Nothing unreal about it :-)

I do put clamps on my nipples when I masturbate. But the orgasms I have from masturbating solo are nowhere near as enjoyable as the ones I have from scenes that start with him tying me to the chair and him putting the clamps on my nipples himself. The pain is so much more juicy when I am bound, helpless, unable to get away.

Solo masturbation has become fast food for me - scenes with him are a gourmet feast.

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ORIGINAL: Copper29

3. Most of the arguments against online BDSM seem to boil down to "well, it makes a poor substitute for kink in person." I would agree with that. However, my argument is that if you view it as not a substitute but a different kind of experience, why shouldn't it be an equally valid form of BDSM? You don't hit someone with handcuffs when they wanted a crop-- handcuffs make a pretty lousy substitute for that specific purpose.


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ORIGINAL: Scala



Wow ChatteParfaitt , you sound really bitter. If you dislike the poster and the topic so much why even participate ?

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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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If I'm in my flat with someone and he tells me to put the clamps on and I do - it hurts. If I'm on the phone with someone and they tell me to put the clamps on and I do - it hurts. The pain is just as real whether they are there or not. Nothing unreal about it :-)

I do put clamps on my nipples when I masturbate. But the orgasms I have from masturbating solo are nowhere near as enjoyable as the ones I have from scenes that start with him tying me to the chair and him putting the clamps on my nipples himself. The pain is so much more juicy when I am bound, helpless, unable to get away.

Solo masturbation has become fast food for me - scenes with him are a gourmet feast.

It's nice that you can enjoy that but, as I'm sure you understand, your bondage fetish does not equal it being 'less real' when people play without being restrained :-)

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

~fast reply~

To the OP:

Would you choose a surgeon who had done nothing more than read about surgery on the internet, or would you prefer someone with "real" experience at actually cutting people open?

That is the inherent difference between "real" and not real. Playing on line does not give "real" experience.

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ORIGINAL: Copper29

In exploring the kink community at large and this forum specifically, I've run across many people who state that they are only interested in "real" bdsm experience, or that they are frustrated with the lack of a "real" experience. However, it seems to me that there is no real consensus on what exactly that experience is, much like eating "real" food or having "real" hobbies. Every person has a different and specific idea about what that means, and has different ideas about what does not qualify as as true bdsm.

This seems counteractive to me-- as if we were policing other's interests and kinks, as if one experience somehow invalidates another. What are we to gain from criticizing another's desire? Is it not "real" bdsm if they're new, or unsure about what they're doing? If they pay for it? If their hard limits are what someone else would consider vanilla?

What for you, counts as "real" bdsm? What quantifies it? Why do you feel that your brand is the true version, while others are not?

Discuss.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

Yup. Set like 50+ years before events in BSG Rather an ambitious series and during its limited run it touched on religious extremism, polyamory, organized crime, corruption, a whole slew of stuff. Watch it if you get a chance. You won't regret it

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

Yup. Set like 50+ years before events in BSG Rather an ambitious series and during its limited run it touched on religious extremism, polyamory, organized crime, corruption, a whole slew of stuff. Watch it if you get a chance. You won't regret it

I say without hyperbole that it was my favorite of all the BSG incarnations. The fact that Alessandra Torresani is incredibly hot, as well as talented, has nothing to do with it. The show was a triumph from beginning to end and really should have had at least one more season to finish the story. It also gives some real insight as to why some of the Cylons in the re-imagined version of BSG were so against limiting the brain functions of the centurions.

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ORIGINAL: Scala

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ORIGINAL: Copper29

3. Most of the arguments against online BDSM seem to boil down to "well, it makes a poor substitute for kink in person." I would agree with that. However, my argument is that if you view it as not a substitute but a different kind of experience, why shouldn't it be an equally valid form of BDSM? You don't hit someone with handcuffs when they wanted a crop-- handcuffs make a pretty lousy substitute for that specific purpose.


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I totally agree with this. "Real" is whatever you want it to be, whether that is online or face to face. Many here probably only give their partner a light smack from time to time, but in their eyes they practice "real" BDSM. Its all a matter of ones own perspective.

Scala < a real slave because he gets a smack from time to time

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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ORIGINAL: Scala

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ORIGINAL: Copper29

3. Most of the arguments against online BDSM seem to boil down to "well, it makes a poor substitute for kink in person." I would agree with that. However, my argument is that if you view it as not a substitute but a different kind of experience, why shouldn't it be an equally valid form of BDSM? You don't hit someone with handcuffs when they wanted a crop-- handcuffs make a pretty lousy substitute for that specific purpose.


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I totally agree with this. "Real" is whatever you want it to be, whether that is online or face to face. Many here probably only give their partner a light smack from time to time, but in their eyes they practice "real" BDSM. Its all a matter of ones own perspective.

Scala < a real slave because he gets a smack from time to time

So if "real" is whatever you want it to be, then delusional people aren't really delusional, because their delusions are real to them.

You might want to rethink that position.