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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It's nice to see you claiming such a fine seat on the high horse of tolerance, MsMJay. We'll see how you like it up there.

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

In post #68 you said this to me:

"If you do not support freedom of speech when you despise what is being said, then you do not support freedom of speech at all. "

Then when I explained to you that I fully support freedom of speech even when I don't like what is being said; you said this to me:

"It's nice to see you claiming such a fine seat on the high horse of tolerance, MsMJay. We'll see how you like it up there."


So which bus were you riding again? Based on the above, either you are confused or you just have a crush on me and want to keep me engaged in dialogue. (The latter happens to me all the time so if that is the reason, its ok. I am quite used to it.)

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I am very much in support of free speech, but I cannot deny the fact that hate speech against the LGBT community has contributed to discrimination, violence and murder of members of that community.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

In post #68 you said this to me:

"If you do not support freedom of speech when you despise what is being said, then you do not support freedom of speech at all. "

Then when I explained to you that I fully support freedom of speech even when I don't like what is being said; you said this to me:

"It's nice to see you claiming such a fine seat on the high horse of tolerance, MsMJay. We'll see how you like it up there."


So which bus were you riding again? Based on the above, either you are confused or you just have a crush on me and want to keep me engaged in dialogue. (The latter happens to me all the time so if that is the reason, its ok. I am quite used to it.)

You started from demanding consequences, repercussions, for speech that "is wrong," and have wormed your way down to just tolerant of everything, and need to get to know the person before before you make a judgement. No spine, no values, nothing beyond what is convenient at the moment.

When it comes to free speech, I'm on the consistency bus, sweets. Same rules for everybody. I don't think you'd fit in.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
What do you think about A&E's decision to shitcan Phil Robertson of "Duck Dynasty" for his (religious) views on homosexuality?
I think they're wrong, he has the right to his own opinion.
It's all about tolerance.
I wonder if Phil were a muslim, would they be so quick to condemn him?

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

This is what 'started everything':

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I am very much in support of free speech, but I cannot deny the fact that hate speech against the LGBT community has contributed to discrimination, violence and murder of members of that community.

Pointing out the existence of undesirable consequences is not the same thing as "demanding consequences, repercussions, for speech that "is wrong".

Those disingenuous non sequiturs aren't working, no matter where you got them from. Perhaps a different audience would be more receptive?

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

In post #68 you said this to me:

"If you do not support freedom of speech when you despise what is being said, then you do not support freedom of speech at all. "

Then when I explained to you that I fully support freedom of speech even when I don't like what is being said; you said this to me:

"It's nice to see you claiming such a fine seat on the high horse of tolerance, MsMJay. We'll see how you like it up there."


So which bus were you riding again? Based on the above, either you are confused or you just have a crush on me and want to keep me engaged in dialogue. (The latter happens to me all the time so if that is the reason, its ok. I am quite used to it.)

You started from demanding consequences, repercussions, for speech that "is wrong," and have wormed your way down to just tolerant of everything, and need to get to know the person before before you make a judgement. No spine, no values, nothing beyond what is convenient at the moment.

When it comes to free speech, I'm on the consistency bus, sweets. Same rules for everybody. I don't think you'd fit in.

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Thank you for saving me the trouble. This is becoming comedic. LOL

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Its STILL WRONG and its not something that ought to be said in public without repercussions. No matter how desperately Christians try to convince the world that "its not us - its GOD that hates homosexuality" hate speech is still hate speech and religious beliefs do not make it okay.

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Sometimes the things people say have consequences.

A&E decided they would try to thwack Phil Robertson in the pee pee as a consequence of saying something in a magazine interview.

After he was "suspended indefinitely" the consequences of A&E's actions were that more people turned out to support Robertson and boycott A&E within 48 hours than signed up for Obamacare since it began in October. I don't normally like to use personal anecdotes, but to give you an example of how people are boycotting A&E, my boss, who is Hindu, has had access to A&E manually blocked on every television in his 17 hotels.

Cracker Barrel is also facing a boycott as a consequence of pulling all of their Duck Dynasty merchandise that featured Mr. Robertson even though they left all their other DD merchandise on the shelves. Their attempts to play both sides of this backfired. WalMart stayed out of the whole mess and, as a consequence of their decision, they made money hand over fist as their Duck Dynasty gear flew off the shelves. I find that extremely ironic, considering that gays are more likely to shop at WalMart than they are to dine at Cracker Barrel after the sexual orientation flap Cracker Barrel had a few years back.

GLAAD, the homosexuality acceptance enforcement group that started all of this, is dealing with the consequences of their intolerance. They have complained about this being the biggest backlash they've had in years as their phones ring off the hook with calls from angry Duck Dynasty fans and religious folk.

So everyone is suffering from the consequences of their actions it seems, but that's not exactly true...

A&E has already finished 9 of the 10 episodes for the next season and they have no intention of re-editing them to exclude Phil Robertson. Indeed, at this stage of the game if they DO edit Phil out, they stand to lose a huge market share because loyal viewers won't tune in if they edit him out after all this drama. At the very worst, he will be removed from the final episode of the season. Unfortunately for the network, A&E needs Duck Dynasty more than Duck Dynasty needs A&E. They give A&E over 14 million viewers. This is their last season under contract to A&E, and they have already recieved several lucrative invitations to move their show to other channels. The long and short of it is that the Robertson family doesn't have to take any shit from GLAAD stormtroopers or A&E. The question for them is simply whether or not they want to continue to do their show somewhere else.

It would appear that the Robertson clan will suffer some irritation and a little inconvenience over this, but ultimately the consequences of Phil speaking his mind will be that they will come out of this in better shape than anyone else who has gotten involved with trying to force a multi-millionaire family to bow to political correctness.

-SD-

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Cracker Barrel is also facing a boycott as a consequence of pulling all of their Duck Dynasty merchandise that featured Mr. Robertson even though they left all their other DD merchandise on the shelves. Their attempts to play both sides of this backfired.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I think that political correctness should be very very expensive. I am fed up with the gay tail wagging the straight dog.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

Thank you for saving me the trouble. This is becoming comedic. LOL

Here's where I chimed in to you, MsMJAY:

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Its STILL WRONG and its not something that ought to be said in public without repercussions. No matter how desperately Christians try to convince the world that "its not us - its GOD that hates homosexuality" hate speech is still hate speech and religious beliefs do not make it okay.

Now, based on your further squirmings, obviously you would need to go personally get to know all of those Christians you think need to suffer repercussions for their hate speech, before you could be sure it really was hate speech...

Now what IS funny, is that EdBowie seems to think I'm doing more with his posts than scrolling right past them.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

The duck call and hunting business was a multi-million dollar family enterprise long before the show.

I doubt seriously if that many of their customers are going to boycott.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
That said, I think you will find this is more a case of capitalism at its finest with the TV company protecting its product, more than being outraged at his comments.

Protecting its product? Do you really think that gay-rights activists were its core audience?

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

Agreed about the duck call business, but the show is probably also a multi-million dollar family enterprise, and they'd lose a lot of income if it got cancelled. That's what I was talking about.

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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

The duck call and hunting business was a multi-million dollar family enterprise long before the show.

I doubt seriously if that many of their customers are going to boycott.

Agreed about the duck call business, but the show is probably also a multi-million dollar family enterprise, and they'd lose a lot of income if it got cancelled. That's what I was talking about.

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the Robertson family is claiming other networks are eager to pick up the show.