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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/24/2013 6:36:34 PM   
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In doing some last minute shopping for items for christmas dinner (what is wrong with Turkey TV dinners?) I had the misfortune to see what teenagers consider appropriate to wear to work, and the fact that the employers seem to think this is okay. In a family grocery store, the cashier was about 17, which means she was probably younger, wearing a see through top under which she had a lace bra.

If it was my daughter, she wouldnt have left the house like that, but then when my daughter's dates picked her up, I was always cleaning fire arms and had one question, "now when will she be home?" She was always home by 10:30. Which was strange cause her curfew was midnite.

The girl bagging groceries had jeans that looked like they barely survived going through a shredder.

At Walmart I saw something I assume was a human female. I mean it was wearing a skirt, with steel toed work boots, black hooded sweatshirt, with face completely hidden behind a mop of hair. I was surprised it never rain into anything.

As for the males, it is clear that they have never heard of a belt, or suspenders, or even a rope tied around their waist to hold pants up. I used to see this look on occasion, but today it was everywhere.

And evidently I saw a goth and emo for the first time. I figure they are just walking dead or something.


Times change. But it's not always a good change.

Everytime I see an emo or goth chick I want to bite them until they cry. Then yell at them "You feel this?".




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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/24/2013 7:25:00 PM   
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I keep saying that my mother would have nailed the door shut before she let me leave the house dressed like some young teen girls I see.


But there were clothes available that were decent for her to buy you.

There aren't now.

Even toddler outfits are sexualized. Go shopping and be appalled by what you see.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/24/2013 8:37:58 PM   
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In doing some last minute shopping for items for christmas dinner (what is wrong with Turkey TV dinners?) I had the misfortune to see what teenagers consider appropriate to wear to work, and the fact that the employers seem to think this is okay. In a family grocery store, the cashier was about 17, which means she was probably younger, wearing a see through top under which she had a lace bra.

If it was my daughter, she wouldnt have left the house like that, but then when my daughter's dates picked her up, I was always cleaning fire arms and had one question, "now when will she be home?" She was always home by 10:30. Which was strange cause her curfew was midnite.

The girl bagging groceries had jeans that looked like they barely survived going through a shredder.

At Walmart I saw something I assume was a human female. I mean it was wearing a skirt, with steel toed work boots, black hooded sweatshirt, with face completely hidden behind a mop of hair. I was surprised it never rain into anything.

As for the males, it is clear that they have never heard of a belt, or suspenders, or even a rope tied around their waist to hold pants up. I used to see this look on occasion, but today it was everywhere.

And evidently I saw a goth and emo for the first time. I figure they are just walking dead or something.


I have read this one site about Walmart just about every day for a couple years....."People of Walmart"...it is a well-known site...it is fun, sad and just Americana...Pretty much it is "The good, the bad and the ugly" about America" but that is what makes us what we are....enjoy!

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/



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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/24/2013 10:04:19 PM   
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These males that wear their pants so low they have one hand in a pocket to hold them up have no idea, well some might, what message they are giving. It's a prison thing, a male that wants to take it in his butt pulls his pants down low to let the other inmates know he is ready.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/25/2013 12:52:13 AM   
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I get accused of being "goth" sometimes. Shockingly I am not the walking dead. I get that the particular girls clothing was not appropriate for working in a grocery store but every grocery store I've ever been to in my entire life (small towns and big cities alike) had had some type of uniform. Was it a small family owned business? In terms of "emo" and "goth," why do you care? Personally I think a majority of fashion from the 80s and 90s was God awful. I was young in the 90 but from photos I am so thankful I wasn't in my 20s then. I also find dressing really conservative or "normal" to be boring but it's not really my business how other people dress.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/25/2013 2:52:52 AM   
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Okay...Lizard is an Goth/Emo, has a piercing in her cheek. She got it earlier this year after she turned 18. It is cute. I was hoping for a nose stud myself.

If she gets her testing done and gets back in college, she plans to get a tattoo...but not without me being there. I want to help her select the right one. (I got a rose with a dagger going through it).

Meanwhile, all of my black clothes are packed up....result of weight gain because of medicine.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/25/2013 10:17:04 AM   
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??? I don't recall saying anything negative about women dressing Goth/emo. In fact, I dig the look. Back in the late eighties-early nineties I could have been accused of being one because I worked in the rock clubs, went to metal concerts, and in general dressed in black because it was easier to buy just one color.

And since I worked in a fet club, I got to show off some of my collection of 'found' metal accessories like arm guards and bracelets (as long as the floor chief said it was okay-spikes were a big no-no for a bouncer). It was only until I started working as a car salesman that I began to wear different colors, but otherwise, my wardrobe could be considered the same today as it was when I was twenty.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/25/2013 11:08:29 AM   
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The oldest complaint in the world is how the youth are going to destroy civilization, back in the 1950's it was the 'wild bunch' kind of thing, in the 60's and 70's it was the hippies, then we had generation Y who would all end up with McJobs and living on their parents couch (didn't work out like that for many), the millenials were going to be a bunch of layabouts, etc...the youth of the 1930's was accused by their elders of being lazy, self consumed losers, who didn't want to work, and they miraculously turned into the 'greatest generation' that people have orgasms over....

My favorite was a line I read "The youth of today is going to be the end of our civilization. They respect neither their elders,nor divinity, and think the world owes them something, and they are rude to others, yet take offense at what people say to them easily". The line was written around 4000 years ago in Ancient Babylon:).

Yeah, I see what young women are wearing these days, and I am of two minds about it. When I was a teen, back in the late 70's, where I lived a lot of the girls were dressing a la the feminist revolution, it was all jeans and sweatshirts and sneakers, and it has changed a lot, and in some ways I admire the openness, but it is also sad to see that they often are doing a follow the herd, too, they aren't really rebelling, not really all that much different than when I was growing up. As far as there not being appropriate clothing in the stores for young women, there is, there is clothing that would make them look very nice and feminine, but the herd mentality means that the slutwear sells. What is really scary is what young girls are wearing,I am talking 10,11,12, and they aren't the ones buying it. My son went to a prep school when he was in grade school, full of well off kids, and the kids were hypersexual, the girls were wearing makeup and things like push up bras as 11,12, it was really sad (fortunately for my sanity, the school he went into in middle school had more normal kids, don't know why). That to me isn't about freedom, that is parents letting their kids get sexualized because they simply don't want to act as parents..teen girls are learning how to be women, and in many ways they have to reach out and grow, and while as parents it is hard, they will do things we don't like. Maybe it is because I went through that when I attempted transition, but it is very common, M to F transwomen are often like teen girls, it is very easy to go crazy, with makeup and sexy clothing and such, it takes a while to realize that in real life, most women don't dress like that all the time:).




I have to admit I am amazed at the kind of heels women wear now, 20 years ago you would see those at fetish clubs, now they are mainstream. I had a good laugh a couple of years ago, my firms Christmas party was in a place at 14th and 9th (the old meatpacking district in NYC, now uber chic), seeing the young women in dresses that covered little and wearing spike heels and so forth, tottering around to the clubs and such, and laughing, remembering when the area at night had denizes of the various fetish/S-M clubs (now long gone), or trans prostitutes, and thinking the more things change, how they often stay the same:)

And yeah, I do find myself saying things, then wanting to gag myself, because I do start saying things like my parents, how NYC was a lot more exciting when I was young, how the kids don't seem motivated, etc *lol*.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/26/2013 5:52:03 AM   
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As for the males, it is clear that they have never heard of a belt, or suspenders, or even a rope tied around their waist to hold pants up. I used to see this look on occasion, but today it was everywhere.

You know, I really don't see this a lot up here. Maybe it's like Des says and I just don't notice it or the expression "freezing your ass off" has the potential to be taken quite literally.



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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/26/2013 9:54:06 AM   
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I'm in Baltimore so we see it a lot around here. I'm just so used to it that it doesn't even bother me anymore. The only time I really remember seeing it was when I was on the bus and a kid was walking off and his pants fell off. Thankfully he was wearing boxers.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/26/2013 4:24:09 PM   
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Just keep in mind that in addition to all the other nonsense, you are also actually wondering what is wrong with TV dinners on Christmas. Frankly, if my car said that, I'd pull over and open the hood. If I didn't find a mailbag or a dead animal in there somewhere, I'd call my Brother and ask him what to think.

You are seriously off base if you genuinely suppose everyone should fit your 1950 West Texas snapshot of one of millions of different ways to be. A way riven with its' own special warp, one particularly interested in sharing its wisdom with those less fortunate. Recall that what you see has as much to do with the eye as the light.

Civilization is indeed doomed. But the problem isn't clothes. It's civilization.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/26/2013 5:50:42 PM   
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Just keep in mind that in addition to all the other nonsense, you are also actually wondering what is wrong with TV dinners on Christmas. Frankly, if my car said that, I'd pull over and open the hood. If I didn't find a mailbag or a dead animal in there somewhere, I'd call my Brother and ask him what to think.

You are seriously off base if you genuinely suppose everyone should fit your 1950 West Texas snapshot of one of millions of different ways to be. A way riven with its' own special warp, one particularly interested in sharing its wisdom with those less fortunate. Recall that what you see has as much to do with the eye as the light.

Civilization is indeed doomed. But the problem isn't clothes. It's civilization.



I wasnt even around in the 50's! May the blue Elephant bird of happiness relieve himself on you car!

I was thinking maybe 1970 to 1989 maybe. I mean kinda before this "modern" music showed up and started warping the young people's minds.

I mean even in the future they have their pants pulled up. I have seen teens portrayed in star trek, Babylon 5, Firefly...

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/26/2013 6:00:38 PM   
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eerr....you do realize that's television, right?

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/26/2013 6:24:12 PM   
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eerr....you do realize that's television, right?


Considering I started this topic partially in jest....

However, Harvey the 6' tall gin drinking pooka that hangs around here insists that those shows are prophetic... But then he also tells me that Katie Morgan is gonna run for President in 2016 with Jenna Jamison as her running mate...

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/26/2013 10:20:50 PM   
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??? I don't recall saying anything negative about women dressing Goth/emo. In fact, I dig the look. Back in the late eighties-early nineties I could have been accused of being one because I worked in the rock clubs, went to metal concerts, and in general dressed in black because it was easier to buy just one color.

And since I worked in a fet club, I got to show off some of my collection of 'found' metal accessories like arm guards and bracelets (as long as the floor chief said it was okay-spikes were a big no-no for a bouncer). It was only until I started working as a car salesman that I began to wear different colors, but otherwise, my wardrobe could be considered the same today as it was when I was twenty.



Personally, I was referring to the OP in terms of the emo/goth look.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/27/2013 12:34:28 AM   
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As for the males, it is clear that they have never heard of a belt, or suspenders, or even a rope tied around their waist to hold pants up. I used to see this look on occasion, but today it was everywhere.

You know, I really don't see this a lot up here. Maybe it's like Des says and I just don't notice it or the expression "freezing your ass off" has the potential to be taken quite literally.




Same here. The Mediterranean summers are very hot but even then, apart from micro shorts on very skinny girls, you don't see a lot of flesh.

Fashion round here tends to be very bohemian. Lots of dreadlocks and people looking like they have just walked out of Woodstock. Its a very cultured look though. People spend a fortune on trying to look like backpacking hippies!!


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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/27/2013 7:26:22 AM   
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??? I don't recall saying anything negative about women dressing Goth/emo. In fact, I dig the look. Back in the late eighties-early nineties I could have been accused of being one because I worked in the rock clubs, went to metal concerts, and in general dressed in black because it was easier to buy just one color.

And since I worked in a fet club, I got to show off some of my collection of 'found' metal accessories like arm guards and bracelets (as long as the floor chief said it was okay-spikes were a big no-no for a bouncer). It was only until I started working as a car salesman that I began to wear different colors, but otherwise, my wardrobe could be considered the same today as it was when I was twenty.



Personally, I was referring to the OP in terms of the emo/goth look.

Glad you clarified that. I was all ready to break out the absinthe, eye shadow, and write bleak poetry in the small hours of the morning.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/28/2013 7:53:00 AM   
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Have a teen that likes to dress radically?

Best way to cure that is to make them look ridiculous as they appear to you.... photos on Facebook with captions like, for the goth, "will mime for food" then link everyone on their friends list. (Yes, I have evil moments in my past)

Saggies.... back in the 80s they had some style with "Hammer Pants" but watching the fellow waddle (yes literally waddling) to the bus station has had me pulling over until the tears left my eyes from laughing so hard.

My suggestion for being agast to the fashions one has seen while out shopping is to desensitize by spending some time at the POWM website. (People of WalMart ... www.peopleofwalmart.com)

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/28/2013 8:32:01 AM   
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What gets me now is these little dumbasses run around in the winter wearing shorts and friggin' sandals. Even when I was young, dumb and underdressed, at the very least I had long pants, shoes, and socks. (okay, steel-toed logging boots for when I hit the mosh pit, but still). The other day, it was fourteen degrees and the boss's son was on the ATV plowing the sidewalk in cargo shorts, sneakers, and a parka. Didn't phase the idiot a bit.

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RE: Human Civilizaation is doomed - 12/28/2013 10:01:21 PM   
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I admit I'm one of those people who runs around in the winter in shorts and tshirts. Why? Because I am going through The Change and I'm constantly sweating to the point of looking like I just stepped out of the shower. Anything heavier and I feel like I'm going to overheat. If I could get away with sandals without getting frostbite, I definitely would!



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