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Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 9:06:24 AM

jlf1961

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Ted Cruz
1) One parent American Citizen, one parent a foreign national.
2) Not born in the US.
3) IS a US Citizen.

Barrack Obama
1) One parent an American Citizen, one parent a foreign national.
2) Born in the US.
3) Is NOT an American citizen.

Now how does that work?

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 9:13:18 AM

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Ted is white.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Ted Cruz
1) One parent American Citizen, one parent a foreign national.
2) Not born in the US.
3) IS a US Citizen.

Barrack Obama
1) One parent an American Citizen, one parent a foreign national.
2) Born in the US.
3) Is NOT an American citizen.

Now how does that work?

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 10:06:49 AM

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It doesn't.
I want either Cruz and Rubio not only to run but lead in the polls.
Dims would soon discover the nbc issue.
Further, they are much better judge shoppers and such than we are; under those circumstances I expect a court ruling defining nbc, the right of state attorneys generals to inspect birth certificates, etc.
My position on Cruz is the same as my position on 0bama0:

1. We need a decision from SCOTUS defining "Natural born citizen".
2. Until that time the definition should be the narrowest one on record (the one available to the Founding Fathers in Law of Nations)
3. Neither Cruz, nor Rubio, nor 0bama0 is eligible.

< Message edited by truckinslave -- 12/29/2013 10:23:36 AM >

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 10:09:00 AM

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Obummer's real father (not the bullshit we've been fed) is American.

Case closed.

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 10:11:58 AM

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Yeah, I've seen that. Absent DNA examination, don't you have to accept a (forensically verified) birth certificate?

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 10:15:34 AM

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Unfortunately, I think the privileged few will always be able to get anything they want authenticated.

Having said that (and not wanting to sound like a birther), I don't know that all of the recognized authorities agree.

I've always thought it was weird that it took four years for Obummer to produce the birth certificate but, I guess it took some time to get one that didn't read: "Father: Frank Marshal Davis".

or: "Unknown"

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 11:00:34 AM

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Here's the thing.

I didn't really give a rat's ass whether Obama was or wasn't a citizen (and fundamentally still don't, much). The allegation that republican only care because Obama is (half)black is so offensive. Because I would (and do) insist that the same standards be applied to mccain, rubio, cruz - whomever. I want to know that any candidate follows the rules.

The following pisses me off.

a). It pisses me off that average, everyday people don't have the right to ask that the parties prove the citizenship of their candidates. In this case, two prominent DEMOCRATS (hilary supporters) sued to have obama prove he was qualified to be a candidate for president. It went all the way to the supreme court and they dismissed.

b). It pisses me off that the democratic and republican parties have manipulated the system so that such a simple and rudimentary question - no one, not the FEC, no one - makes an examination of that question. All it requires is a pledge by the head of the party that he meets the qualifications for the party. It should be part of the FEC's mission to verify eligibility. But its not.

c). When Obama "released" a birth certificate - I downloaded it - and it is absolutely clear that the information was a blatant forgery. Anyone that knows anything about Adobe knows that you can take cut and pastes and superimpose these over the actual fields in the adobe document. And this is what had been done in his 'supposed' document. It was not only fake - it was a fake that was so incompetent I don't know how to explain it. I still don't.

d). Finally, it is my suspicion that Obama applied to college and got financial aid as a foreigner - and this is why the records for his college admission (etc) have been sealed. Otherwise, I don't see why he wouldn't have released these de-rigeur.

Separating the question of Obamat, the process failed us. And it is my hope that with the question of Obama now moot, I'm hoping that left and right could both agree that these issues should not be something that divide us.

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 11:03:09 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Obummer's real father (not the bullshit we've been fed) is American.
Case closed.

Obama's Dad is an American? Can you provide a link for that? I thought it was just his Mom?

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 11:25:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Obummer's real father (not the bullshit we've been fed) is American.
Case closed.

Obama's Dad is an American? Can you provide a link for that? I thought it was just his Mom?

It was in the movie "Dreams From My Real Father." Obama is basically some kind of "Manchurian candidate" who was programmed from the time he was an infant by his real father who was a Marxist Communist. He was trained to rise to power, get elected president then destroy the US with communism.

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 12:08:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Obama's Dad is an American? Can you provide a link for that? I thought it was just his Mom?

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I've always thought it was weird that it took four years for Obummer to produce the birth certificate but, I guess it took some time to get one that didn't read: "Father: Frank Marshal Davis".

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 12:26:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Obummer's real father (not the bullshit we've been fed) is American.
Case closed.

Obama's Dad is an American? Can you provide a link for that? I thought it was just his Mom?

It was in the movie "Dreams From My Real Father." Obama is basically some kind of "Manchurian candidate" who was programmed from the time he was an infant by his real father who was a Marxist Communist. He was trained to rise to power, get elected president then destroy the US with communism.

I need a bit more of a citation on that. But, I'm not wavering from what I believed prior to this.

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 12:34:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

I need a bit more of a citation on that. But, I'm not wavering from what I believed prior to this.

A simple look at three photos. Davis on the left, Obummer in the middle and Obama on the right will tell you that there's a much better chance he's Davis' son than there is Obama's son. The likeness is scary.

Even if that isn't enough, Davis was Obummer's "mentor" and close family friend. Hmmmmmm ....

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 12:57:22 PM

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quote:

Ted is white.

This.

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 1:13:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
c). When Obama "released" a birth certificate - I downloaded it - and it is absolutely clear that the information was a blatant forgery. Anyone that knows anything about Adobe knows that you can take cut and pastes and superimpose these over the actual fields in the adobe document. And this is what had been done in his 'supposed' document. It was not only fake - it was a fake that was so incompetent I don't know how to explain it. I still don't.

I am actually an expert on photoshop and on scanning documents. the random layers you see in the BC are artifacts of being scanned not of photoshop manipulation.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 1:58:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

I need a bit more of a citation on that. But, I'm not wavering from what I believed prior to this.

A simple look at three photos. Davis on the left, Obummer in the middle and Obama on the right will tell you that there's a much better chance he's Davis' son than there is Obama's son. The likeness is scary.

Even if that isn't enough, Davis was Obummer's "mentor" and close family friend. Hmmmmmm ....

Well, there's your smoking gun.

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 3:32:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I need a bit more of a citation on that. But, I'm not wavering from what I believed prior to this.

A simple look at three photos. Davis on the left, Obummer in the middle and Obama on the right will tell you that there's a much better chance he's Davis' son than there is Obama's son. The likeness is scary.
Even if that isn't enough, Davis was Obummer's "mentor" and close family friend. Hmmmmmm ....

Well, there's your smoking gun.

I think you forgot the "

" in your comment. There it is, just in case. lol

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 4:13:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I need a bit more of a citation on that. But, I'm not wavering from what I believed prior to this.

A simple look at three photos. Davis on the left, Obummer in the middle and Obama on the right will tell you that there's a much better chance he's Davis' son than there is Obama's son. The likeness is scary.
Even if that isn't enough, Davis was Obummer's "mentor" and close family friend. Hmmmmmm ....

Well, there's your smoking gun.

I think you forgot the "" in your comment. There it is, just in case. lol

Thank you. I did forget to put one in. Lol

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 5:37:09 PM

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They claimed his certificate of live birth was fake. They claimed his long form birth certificate issued by the state was fake. They overwhelmed the vital stats. Office of Hawaii with hundreds of requests monthly for Obama's birth certificate. They even claimed that the old newspaper with his birth announcement in it was a false announcement planted by his parents in 1961 to fix a way for him to become president over 40 years later. I think reason went out the door a long time ago. No matter how many times you or anyone else verified this stuff there are those who wish to cling to their conspiracies. For some it is easier to believe these things than to believe that a black man legitimately won the White House.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
c). When Obama "released" a birth certificate - I downloaded it - and it is absolutely clear that the information was a blatant forgery. Anyone that knows anything about Adobe knows that you can take cut and pastes and superimpose these over the actual fields in the adobe document. And this is what had been done in his 'supposed' document. It was not only fake - it was a fake that was so incompetent I don't know how to explain it. I still don't.

I am actually an expert on photoshop and on scanning documents. the random layers you see in the BC are artifacts of being scanned not of photoshop manipulation.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 5:51:36 PM

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Jeff... Is there a reason you are poking the racists??? isnt one thread enough?
REALLY????

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RE: Let me see if I have this straight - 12/29/2013 7:24:19 PM

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Jeff... Is there a reason you are poking the racists??? isnt one thread enough?
REALLY????

Why are you trying to deny the sadists our fun?

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