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Politesub53 -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 3:40:15 AM)

Phydeaux, I never claimed you had overlooked demographics either , here is what I actually wrote in post #33.

If you worry that demographics "might" eventually mean Muslims "might" power........ thats democracy for you.





MrBukani -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 5:00:30 AM)

A senior level IDF source has reported: “We have seen a 50% upsurge in rock throwing attacks since the announcement of U.S. President Barack Obama’s visit to the country.” One Judea and Samaria resident has similarly asserted that “rock throwing is a daily occurrence here,” while Yesha Council Chairman Avi Roeh declared, “A rock can kill and that is how security forces should address the situation. These tragic attacks are becoming increasingly more commonplace everyday in the Judea and Samaria region.”
According to eye witnesses, over the weekend Palestinians throwing rocks hit a bus causing it to go off the road, as well as a truck, lightly injuring both drivers, while a car that followed crashed into the truck, resulting in the car’s four passengers being hurt. The mother, Adva Bilton, was seriously injured. Two of her children were in moderate condition, while her two-year-old daughter, Adele, was in critical condition.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinian-rock-throwing-attacks-on-rise-children-fighting-for-lives/




vincentML -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 12:58:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

A senior level IDF source has reported: “We have seen a 50% upsurge in rock throwing attacks since the announcement of U.S. President Barack Obama’s visit to the country.” One Judea and Samaria resident has similarly asserted that “rock throwing is a daily occurrence here,” while Yesha Council Chairman Avi Roeh declared, “A rock can kill and that is how security forces should address the situation. These tragic attacks are becoming increasingly more commonplace everyday in the Judea and Samaria region.”
According to eye witnesses, over the weekend Palestinians throwing rocks hit a bus causing it to go off the road, as well as a truck, lightly injuring both drivers, while a car that followed crashed into the truck, resulting in the car’s four passengers being hurt. The mother, Adva Bilton, was seriously injured. Two of her children were in moderate condition, while her two-year-old daughter, Adele, was in critical condition.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinian-rock-throwing-attacks-on-rise-children-fighting-for-lives/

Are Judea and Samaria in Israel?




Politesub53 -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 4:07:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

A senior level IDF source has reported: “We have seen a 50% upsurge in rock throwing attacks since the announcement of U.S. President Barack Obama’s visit to the country.” One Judea and Samaria resident has similarly asserted that “rock throwing is a daily occurrence here,” while Yesha Council Chairman Avi Roeh declared, “A rock can kill and that is how security forces should address the situation. These tragic attacks are becoming increasingly more commonplace everyday in the Judea and Samaria region.”
According to eye witnesses, over the weekend Palestinians throwing rocks hit a bus causing it to go off the road, as well as a truck, lightly injuring both drivers, while a car that followed crashed into the truck, resulting in the car’s four passengers being hurt. The mother, Adva Bilton, was seriously injured. Two of her children were in moderate condition, while her two-year-old daughter, Adele, was in critical condition.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinian-rock-throwing-attacks-on-rise-children-fighting-for-lives/


Any reason you forgot to mention this took place last March ?




PeonForHer -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 4:19:45 PM)

I think you have every right to join this board and make comments, Mr B, despite being Dutch. Call me liberal and soft in the brain, but I firmly believe that the Dutch are people like all the rest of us. [:)]




deathtothepixies -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 4:23:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I support Israel, pretty much regardless of what they might do.






That pretty much sums up the problem in a very succinct sentence.

You and a lot of Americans( and others too) don't seem to grasp the amazement and shock that sort of statement generates in the rest of the western world and the hatred in produces in countless other countries.

Do you not see, or maybe refuse to see that you are condemning America and a lot of other nations to a long and painful fight with that sort of rhetoric?

I despise terrorism as much as anyone but like it of not all you are doing is adding fuel to the fire and I have no idea how many people will die because of it.

I do know that many Americans will die because of it, as will many of my countrymen too.




evesgrden -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 4:57:58 PM)

FR

Op Ed writer Larry Miller:

quote:

The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped


and

quote:

Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals. Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.










MrBukani -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 7:08:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I think you have every right to join this board and make comments, Mr B, despite being Dutch. Call me liberal and soft in the brain, but I firmly believe that the Dutch are people like all the rest of us. [:)]

Nah we tend to be condemned bigger assholes cause we like to tell the truth. And we can only answer with if you ain't dutch you aint much.




MrBukani -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 7:10:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

A senior level IDF source has reported: “We have seen a 50% upsurge in rock throwing attacks since the announcement of U.S. President Barack Obama’s visit to the country.” One Judea and Samaria resident has similarly asserted that “rock throwing is a daily occurrence here,” while Yesha Council Chairman Avi Roeh declared, “A rock can kill and that is how security forces should address the situation. These tragic attacks are becoming increasingly more commonplace everyday in the Judea and Samaria region.”
According to eye witnesses, over the weekend Palestinians throwing rocks hit a bus causing it to go off the road, as well as a truck, lightly injuring both drivers, while a car that followed crashed into the truck, resulting in the car’s four passengers being hurt. The mother, Adva Bilton, was seriously injured. Two of her children were in moderate condition, while her two-year-old daughter, Adele, was in critical condition.

http://unitedwithisrael.org/palestinian-rock-throwing-attacks-on-rise-children-fighting-for-lives/


Any reason you forgot to mention this took place last March ?

I bet the palistickians kids are gathering rocks as we speak.




Phydeaux -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 10:46:10 PM)

Actually, it may well be that the entire story is a fabrication.



http://cifwatch.com/2014/01/07/indys-wild-claim-that-israel-tortures-palestinian-kids-continues-to-unravel/

I had gone to the original complaint and read about prisoners - not children. But I thought perhaps the author had additional sources. However, the story seems to be that ISRAELIs were kept for hours outdoors months ago.

No palestinians; no palestinian children; and not for months.




Phydeaux -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/10/2014 11:13:09 PM)

When the question comes down to the peace treaty there are people that say that both the palestinians and the israeli's agreed on numbers.

So Polite - it seems that even the head of the Palestinians administration disagrees with you, and in fact echos the position I said. Namely:


Abbas, himself a 1948 refugee, privately argued against the large-scale return of refugees in a meeting in March 2009: "On numbers of refugees, it is illogical to ask Israel to take 5 million, or indeed 1 million," he told officials. "That would mean the end of Israel."


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/24/palestinians-10000-refugees-return-israel




SadistDave -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/11/2014 2:25:04 AM)

It doesn't happen very often, but occasionally there are news reports of the Palestinians using children as suicide bombers. The Childrens Rights Institute has been documenting this for years. In 2008 there was a documentary called "The Making of a Martyr" about how extreme Islamists use children as suicide bombers.

Since Palestinians are apparently kind of fine with blowing their children up for any reason, I think that negates their right to bitch about anything someone else does to their kids.

-SD-




Toysinbabeland -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/11/2014 2:58:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

It doesn't happen very often, but occasionally there are news reports of the Palestinians using children as suicide bombers. The Childrens Rights Institute has been documenting this for years. In 2008 there was a documentary called "The Making of a Martyr" about how extreme Islamists use children as suicide bombers.

Since Palestinians are apparently kind of fine with blowing their children up for any reason, I think that negates their right to bitch about anything someone else does to their kids.

-SD-


You are assuming that each of these children would voluntarily have chosen this for themselves?




SadistDave -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/11/2014 3:07:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Toysinbabeland

You are assuming that each of these children would voluntarily have chosen this for themselves?



I have no clue what brought you to that conclusion or why it's even a relevant comment. I clearly said that as long as the Palestinians allow it to happen, they have no right to bitch about what happens to their kids.

What children chose for themselves really doesn't enter into this. The adults are responsible. That's kinda how things work in a civilized society, but then Palestine is hardly civilized.

-SD-




Politesub53 -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/11/2014 3:59:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

When the question comes down to the peace treaty there are people that say that both the palestinians and the israeli's agreed on numbers.

So Polite - it seems that even the head of the Palestinians administration disagrees with you, and in fact echos the position I said. Namely:


Abbas, himself a 1948 refugee, privately argued against the large-scale return of refugees in a meeting in March 2009: "On numbers of refugees, it is illogical to ask Israel to take 5 million, or indeed 1 million," he told officials. "That would mean the end of Israel."


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/24/palestinians-10000-refugees-return-israel


All the more reason to wonder what you are worried about then. [8|]




Politesub53 -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/11/2014 4:09:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: evesgrden

FR

Op Ed writer Larry Miller:

quote:

The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word. Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years. Like "Wiccan," "Palestinian" sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, and there were no "Palestinians" then, and the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no "Palestinians" then. As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the "Palestinians," weeping for their deep bond with their lost "land" and "nation." So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped


and

quote:

Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews. Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, everyone will be pals. Really? Wow, what neat news. Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.




How seriously do you take a diatribe by a comedian ? I would like to think Herodotus had more of a clue.




tweakabelle -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/11/2014 9:03:17 PM)

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The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians.


According to this perspective, the Palestinians are denied even a right to exist. One wonders why Israel chooses to negotiate with a grouping that, according to this perspective, doesn't exist. This claim is only one of many blatant falsehoods continually advanced by apologists for Zionism and Zionists.

One might also wonder why Israel , which so loudly insists that the world recognises its own right to exist, denies the same right to other Stateless peoples. Palestinian claims to Statehood, based on the 1967 borders are recognised by over 120 countries or more than 2/3 of the world.


quote:

Phydeaux
I support Israel, pretty much regardless of what they might do.


Thank you for letting us know where you stand on the OP, which detailed the torture of children. It seems that not only do you support the torture of children but are also supportive of Israeli ethnic cleansing, war crimes and apartheid.

I wonder how many Americans share your view? I doubt that many Americans would support any of the heinous Israeli policies listed above. But it is a sad fact that these policies are financed in part by the US taxpayer, and the US provides diplomatic cover to Israel, enabling the policy makers and perpetrators to escape justice and continue committing their crimes despite the almost universal odium such behaviour attracts and deserves .




vincentML -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/12/2014 11:33:52 AM)

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I wonder how many Americans share your view? I doubt that many Americans would support any of the heinous Israeli policies listed above. But it is a sad fact that these policies are financed in part by the US taxpayer, and the US provides diplomatic cover to Israel, enabling the policy makers and perpetrators to escape justice and continue committing their crimes despite the almost universal odium such behaviour attracts and deserves .

The American people are not informed by our Media of what goes on beyond our beaches, left and right, or our borders north and south. We are an island unto ourselves. Only a loud noise (9/11) will awaken us from our slumber and provincial concerns. Shhhhh . . . . .




Phydeaux -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/12/2014 2:14:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians.


According to this perspective, the Palestinians are denied even a right to exist. One wonders why Israel chooses to negotiate with a grouping that, according to this perspective, doesn't exist. This claim is only one of many blatant falsehoods continually advanced by apologists for Zionism and Zionists.

One might also wonder why Israel , which so loudly insists that the world recognises its own right to exist, denies the same right to other Stateless peoples. Palestinian claims to Statehood, based on the 1967 borders are recognised by over 120 countries or more than 2/3 of the world.


quote:

Phydeaux
I support Israel, pretty much regardless of what they might do.


Thank you for letting us know where you stand on the OP, which detailed the torture of children. It seems that not only do you support the torture of children but are also supportive of Israeli ethnic cleansing, war crimes and apartheid.

I wonder how many Americans share your view? I doubt that many Americans would support any of the heinous Israeli policies listed above.


Yeah. And if you read the post I detailed above it seems like the 'heinous Israeli policies' are debunked above.

As in: it never happened.

You'll find out my position on ethnic cleansing when it happens. Frankly, I think the Israeli's have acted with remarkable restraint toward their enemies.

As the previous poster and I have pointed out multiple timers - there was not a country of "Palestine". The land Israel now occupies was once Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian etc.

These lands are conquered lands - Israel may deal with them as it chooses. I do not find it unreasonable for Israel to say - the precursor to your existence is that you recognize Israel as a jewish state. No one I know is advocating for killing "Palestinians". As opposed to so many muslims advocating death to Israel.



Now, personally I think that Israel should attempt more than that. I think Israel should try for a state that has good relations with them.

I think that Israel should offer college education, and development assistance. I think Israel should aim for a state where muslim and jews do more than tolerate each other. But that's just me...





Politesub53 -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/12/2014 4:31:25 PM)

So there wasnt a country named Palestine on a map, A laughable but sad view of the areas history.

As for your view that the events decribed in the OP "never happened", did you even read the link, or its source, or the comment from the Israeli Justice Minister (Livni).

"According to the Jerusalem Post, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni called for the practice of keeping children in cages to be stopped as soon as she learned of it"

Your denials of legitimate sources such as the Jerusalem Post, the Public Defenders Office and the Knesset are a tad obnoxious.




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