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Phydeaux -> RE: Israel still torturing children (1/14/2014 12:47:55 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
You know as well as I do the direct line from the 1920s assassination of Jewish settlers who were lured in by offers to buy land, and then massacred after they had paid (ala Hebron), to Auschwitz and the Final Solution, to the post WWII attacks on Jews like Hartuv are part and parcel of the same master plan running straight from the Muslim Brotherhood founder, through his Muslim SS divisions, to his nephew Arafat, to Hezbollah's tactics today of firing rockets from behind schoolchildren into Israeli schools and hospitals.
It is an offensive campaign with a declared end goal of eradicating every Jew on the planet, and revisionism serves that goal.
The fact that today's Israeli leaders have turned the notion of struggle for survival into something bad needs to be addressed without pretending that it has nothing to do with the Holocaust.
This is some interesting information that I had previously read on a cursory level, although in doing a quick search just now, I could only find information on one such Muslim SS division, the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar, comprised mainly of Bosnian Muslims, but still under direct command of the German SS leadership. The Germans found plenty of local allies in the countries they occupied who seemed more than willing to carry out their dirty work, Christians, Muslims, and even other Jews.
There was also some support of the Axis from various Middle Eastern factions, most likely alliances of convenience since the Middle Easterners saw Britain and France as their primary enemies, and since Germany was the enemy of Britain and France, it was a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." However, it's doubtful that any such alliance could have endured, given Hitler's racial policies towards non-Germanic nationalities.
I would observe that, part of the original reason for wanting a homeland for Jewish people was because it was believed there was no safe place for them in Europe. A lot of the Jews who fell under Nazi occupation wanted to get out, and probably could have gotten out - but the problem they faced was that no country would take them. They had no place to go. But if they had a Jewish homeland, they could have a place. So, from that point of view, the creation of Israel makes sense, although the Arabs who had been living in that territory and had no real connection to the events in Europe might have seen things differently.
Picking that particular territory to set up their homeland does seem a bit curious, when there were undoubtedly many other areas in the European-controlled colonial world (or in Allied-occupied Germany) which might have been safer. It seems like going to Israel was not unlike moving from the frying pan into the fire, if put into the perspective of a struggle for survival that you mentioned. Ironically, the Jews who remained in Europe and America have done pretty well for themselves and are much safer (and have a greater chance of survival) than those currently in Israel.
Ah - hello!
You seem to forget that Israel is the ancestral homeland of the Jews as well. It is the land that YHWH promised to the Jews, the land of milk and honey. It is the only land where a Temple was built - and the only land where a temple MAY be built.
Even from their times of enslavement - by the egyptians, by the persians, by the syrians - the jews always remembered when they were free men in Israel - and kept alive their traditions.
Abraham had a son by Hagar (a slave) - called Ishmael - from whom the muslims claim heritage.
Abraham had a son by Sarah - called Jacob - from whom the Israelites claim heritage.
The Israelites conquered the land of Palestine - often completely killing any native residents. They were supressed under Roman rule - and then eventually under Ottoman rule. So I don't think you can really say that any people really have a right to the land.
Given that one really can't establish a valid case or cause, you can't really find a reason to disposess the Israelis.
Regarding WWI & WWII - start reading with the Mufti - and his german ties.
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