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Rule -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 5:49:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie I dared to contradict Politesub53. He does what he does.

Rule -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 5:55:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I didnt realise throwing popcorn was a capital offence, even in Florida. [8\|] You lack compassion for the corn. Think about it: this plant of corn had been busy for months to mature, it had diligently produced one of its seeds for us, to feed us so that we will not eat another human being. This seed had been tortured and had its life sacrificed by extreme heat. And all of that for nothing, to be wasted, to be used in a deliberate attack on an old man, and to become litter on the floor and not achieve its intended purpose. Have a heart for that plant of corn and its seed!

Lucylastic -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 6:04:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie Yeah, poor me... if I don't swallow the Kool Aid, I'll have a horrible life. [8\|] Quite an imagination you've got there. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic you are gonna give yourself a ulcer.. whats wrong you think that was a threat? poor thing what a strawman? really? who mentioned kool aid???? understanding irony sarcasm etc is not "drinking the koolaid"...in ANY dictionary or the cause of you having a horrible life, puhleeze your post is a bit drama llamaish

EdBowie -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 6:08:38 PM)
And there 's the projection. There was no sarcasm or irony involved. Just the usual internet game of pretending to be a legal expert by people who have no clue about the law, and whose tender egos consider being refuted by a simple reading of the facts to be a 'personal attack'. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic strawman? really? who mentioned kool aid???? understanding irony sarcasm etc is not "drinking the koolaid"...in ANY dictionary or the cause of you having a horrible life, puhleeze your post is a bit drama llamaish

Lucylastic -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 6:24:50 PM)
lmao nah you dont get it at all.... talk about projection

VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 7:45:58 PM)
You guys can stop the hijack with the sniping. Post to the actual topic. Reminder that it is a 3 day moderation to ignore posted warnings. Thanks, Gamma

BamaD -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 7:59:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 FR One thing that strikes about reading the follow-up stories on this is that Reeves went to the theater management to complain, but nothing was said about what, if anything, management actually did about it. One story I read said that the manager was unavailable and That Oulsen started in on him again when he came back. Also Oulsen instigated the violence.

BamaD -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 8:01:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether Back in the 'old days' of theater there existed a cloak room. Visiting guests to the theater would give their coats and such to a nice man or women in that area and be given a ticket with a number on it. After the show, they would hand this ticket to nice person to obtain their valuables. Maybe the answer is to use something from history that was once done away with for being 'old fashion'. Instead, swipe the dust off the idea and place it back within the theater. A room that every guest must pass before being allowed into the theater (tickets, lobby, vending machines, counter, actual theater). They must surrender their cellphones, smartphones and arms, and given a 'ticket'. After the show, they can have their valuables back. If a person doesn't want to give up their prized pistol, they don't need to see the movie with their friends. Exceptions for those in the medical or law enforcement fields might be added. It would be a good idea for a medical doctor to know when he needs to beat feet to the hospital for an emergency, right? Right, because Dr's are the only people who need to be contacted for emergencies. It's a good thing there aren't any emergencies anyone else can get into while going to see a movie. [8\|] Aren't theaters "Gun-Free Zones?" Could this case hinge on the definition of "excessive force" (which you would think a police officer, retired or not, would understand)? No they aren't, our local theater prohibits open carry.

TheHeretic -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 8:27:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer The third thought is, 'Fuck it, this is a mostly American forum and talking about the lunacy of a society in which people legally take guns into cinemas will be a waste of my life. I can't be bothered.' Go with that one. [:)] I agree with the sentiment about carrying a gun around all the time. Even though I live in one of the parts of a California where getting a concealed carry permit is pretty easy for a law-abiding citizen, I have never had much interest in doing so. It's a hassle, and a responsibilty I don't really want. All the permit I need to have a firearm in my home is provided by the 2nd Amendment, and recently affirmed by the Supreme Court. Even though I love a big movie on the big screen, with the big sound, the behavior of the masses becomes more and more uncivil, and we end up going out to a film less and less often. I hope the word of this spreads far and wide, and perhaps we will see a bit of change. And yes, I'm sticking to position that Chad was an asshole, and deserved what he got. Who the fuck throws shit into the face of an old man for asking for a bit of common courtesy? When the lights go down, turn your fucking phone off, or go text from the lobby.

DominantWoman65 -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 8:34:35 PM)
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the use of deadly force when "assaulted" by popcorn which raises a few questions in my mind. Would the retired police captain have acted differently if he didn't have his weapon? Why didn't he just go complain to management first instead of exchanging words? Why did they not move if he felt uncomfortable? How did he feel in threat of his life with others in the theater? Was the movie theater crowded or empty and how many other people did he put in jeopardy by discharging his weapon inside the theater? I own a firearm and I personally would have tried to diffuse the situation or even walked away, I could never in my own mind could justify shooting someone when there were other options to take.

EdBowie -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 8:43:51 PM)
I don't think I would have gone as far as that either. But then again, I'm not in my 70s and I don't know what was said or done by the deceased. I mentioned earlier that I wondered why a person with a LEO career behind them would suddenly wait until this incident to shoot. Surely he had been out in public before where people were being rude or disrespectful... what was different about this time. And the accounts seem to verify that he did go for help from the manager... what happened that he didn't wait? As far as counting on other people to save your life... Kitty Genovese. quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65 I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the use of deadly force when "assaulted" by popcorn which raises a few questions in my mind. Would the retired police captain have acted differently if he didn't have his weapon? Why didn't he just go complain to management first instead of exchanging words? Why did they not move if he felt uncomfortable? How did he feel in threat of his life with others in the theater? Was the movie theater crowded or empty and how many other people did he put in jeopardy by discharging his weapon inside the theater? I own a firearm and I personally would have tried to diffuse the situation or even walked away, I could never in my own mind could justify shooting someone when there were other options to take.

BamaD -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 8:54:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65 I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the use of deadly force when "assaulted" by popcorn which raises a few questions in my mind. Would the retired police captain have acted differently if he didn't have his weapon? Why didn't he just go complain to management first instead of exchanging words? Why did they not move if he felt uncomfortable? How did he feel in threat of his life with others in the theater? Was the movie theater crowded or empty and how many other people did he put in jeopardy by discharging his weapon inside the theater? I own a firearm and I personally would have tried to diffuse the situation or even walked away, I could never in my own mind could justify shooting someone when there were other options to take. He tried to complain to management. Popcorn in the face could very easily be viewed as the start of a much more violent attack. He fired one shot into his intended target at close range, a 380 doesn't penetrate enough to go through a prson. If Oulsen was not going in for a more violent attack why was his wife trying to hole him back? That is how she got hit, her hand came between the two.

BamaD -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 8:55:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie I don't think I would have gone as far as that either. But then again, I'm not in my 70s and I don't know what was said or done by the deceased. I mentioned earlier that I wondered why a person with a LEO career behind them would suddenly wait until this incident to shoot. Surely he had been out in public before where people were being rude or disrespectful... what was different about this time. And the accounts seem to verify that he did go for help from the manager... what happened that he didn't wait? As far as counting on other people to save your life... Kitty Genovese. quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65 I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the use of deadly force when "assaulted" by popcorn which raises a few questions in my mind. Would the retired police captain have acted differently if he didn't have his weapon? Why didn't he just go complain to management first instead of exchanging words? Why did they not move if he felt uncomfortable? How did he feel in threat of his life with others in the theater? Was the movie theater crowded or empty and how many other people did he put in jeopardy by discharging his weapon inside the theater? I own a firearm and I personally would have tried to diffuse the situation or even walked away, I could never in my own mind could justify shooting someone when there were other options to take. Oulsen went after him for try to talk to management.

DominantWoman65 -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 8:59:51 PM)
I wasn't saying that I would count on another person to save my life, I am accountable for my own life and actions however, I could never stand idly by and allow another to be physically assaulted and no, that is no an indication that I would draw my weapon in that instance either. What I meant was most people will think twice when their actions are visible by others. As far as the LEO and his long career, I was married to one for 23 years and I never would have thought that he would snap. They are after all human beings with their own issues just like your average Joe citizen whether it be physical or mental. Irregardless, as a LEO, he should have had even more of a "sense" to diffuse and walk away.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 9:04:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux We clearly have a case of assault and battery, regardless of the fact it was with popcorn. Wouldn't that make it assault and buttery? [8D] Or maybe a salt and buttery... [;)] Even butter, er, better!

BamaD -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 9:07:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65 I wasn't saying that I would count on another person to save my life, I am accountable for my own life and actions however, I could never stand idly by and allow another to be physically assaulted and no, that is no an indication that I would draw my weapon in that instance either. What I meant was most people will think twice when their actions are visible by others. As far as the LEO and his long career, I was married to one for 23 years and I never would have thought that he would snap. They are after all human beings with their own issues just like your average Joe citizen whether it be physical or mental. Irregardless, as a LEO, he should have had even more of a "sense" to diffuse and walk away. And he would see a serious threat before most people.

DominantWoman65 -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 9:10:52 PM)
The fact that the mans wife was shot in the hand is enough of an indication that there was not a clear shot and another human being was put in harms way. I'm not saying there are any innocent parties here, what I am saying that in my opinion there were other options to take before the situation escalated and ended as they did.

BamaD -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 9:15:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65 The fact that the mans wife was shot in the hand is enough of an indication that there was not a clear shot and another human being was put in harms way. I'm not saying there are any innocent parties here, what I am saying that in my opinion there were other options to take before the situation escalated and ended as they did. She deliberately put herself in harms way

DominantWoman65 -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 9:21:37 PM)
I'm sorry, I don't buy that she put herself in harms way unless she saw the weapon first.

TheHeretic -> RE: Death penalty for being an asshole (1/15/2014 9:22:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65 The fact that the mans wife was shot in the hand is enough of an indication that there was not a clear shot and another human being was put in harms way. I'm not saying there are any innocent parties here, what I am saying that in my opinion there were other options to take before the situation escalated and ended as they did. That, I think is going to be a key point in the case. If her hand was out in front of her husband, that supports the reports that she was trying to shield him. If her hand was on his chest, and the entry was to the back of her hand, then she was making an effort to hold him back, and that suggests she knew her already an asshole hubby was about to escalate beyond just throwing what he had in his hand at his intended victim.

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