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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/5/2006 6:22:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: babysburnin

Hostility will get you nowhere.  Many of us are with "class and manners"... Do not expect what you do not give.  You may perceive those who disagreed with you as "non-ladies", but a gentlemen would have remained one under such conditions.  Practice what you preach ... 


*Standing Ovation*  Very nicely said, babysburnin!
 
Crappy!  That was a good laugh!  Thank you!
 
OP:  Not always, but often, you get what you give.  I am not sure how much more helpful the responders could have been.  The ball's in your court.  I think Celeste, in particular, was spot on (as usual!) Only you can decide what to take and what to leave.
 
*Grabs a slice of that cake and runs from the room which is now flying with chocolate*

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 7/5/2006 6:23:03 PM >


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RE: Grace and Manners in a chocolate cake food fight - 7/5/2006 6:29:17 PM   
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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/5/2006 6:39:56 PM   
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I think what the OP might be missing is the sense of humor and wit used in the responses here - perhaps a dose of that might be helpful to you in posting to others, DV8Top.  I don't think any poster was truly disrespectful to you in trying to respond to your question until you became defensive.  I found it interesting that you kept insisting that "the question is about a submissive's behavior not mine", yet it would appear that the only true answer to their not responding to your posts may very well lie within your own behavior.

How sad that "well-behaved submissives" don't exist any more than "a Dom that you can share your thoughts and desires with in an open and non judgemental way". 
 
I think perhaps therein lies the irony. 

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/5/2006 6:54:46 PM   
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Off the top of my head, I'd say the reasons a submissive would not reply to you with grace and manners are the same reasons some dominants write to me demanding I drop what I'm doing and telephone them then and there.
 
It's the internet; rude people abound...nobody can see them, it's easy to get away with it, why not? 
 
No point in fretting; just move on.  It's a numbers game; kinda like door-to-door sales; ya gotta get lots of No's before you get the Yes.  Well...this and what Celeste and beth and said, too.    

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/5/2006 8:22:20 PM   
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I've always believed that a primary characteristic of a good submissive was social graces and good manners.  The ability to show respect is a fundamental requirement, at least in my world, of a submissives behavior.

  Your world and someone else's "world" may not be the same. What you perceive as good manners may not be the same as someone else's perception.
 
quote:

  That being the case,why is it that the standard response from the submissives I've attempted to contact is *no response* followed by blocking?  I'm not rude, crude, or abusive, my notes have always been respectful...


Actions ARE responses. No answer IS an answer - the answer is "i'm not interested in responding to you."
 
quote:

  I'm not bitchin about standard Internet behavior, just wondering how a woman can call herself a submissive and not have social graces, good manners, or simple respect for someone attempting to communicate to respond to a query with a simple "thanks but no thanks", "fuk off" or whatever, but at least acknowledge the senders recognition of the profile YOU posted?

i am curious as to why a response is so critical to you. Why do you feel someone you don't know is required to adhere to your rules or beliefs?

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 6:44:38 AM   
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Look you fucking bitch, when I email you, get off your fat ass and fucking email me.  I hate it when little cunts like you don't be respecting a dominate like me.  I mean since the ten minutes I have been in the scene it has really gone to hell.


<drooling> CrappyDom.. can I serve you PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 6:49:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Look you fucking bitch, when I email you, get off your fat ass and fucking email me.  I hate it when little cunts like you don't be respecting a dominate like me.  I mean since the ten minutes I have been in the scene it has really gone to hell.


Beautiful.

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 6:57:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: findmedaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Look you fucking bitch, when I email you, get off your fat ass and fucking email me.  I hate it when little cunts like you don't be respecting a dominate like me.  I mean since the ten minutes I have been in the scene it has really gone to hell.


Beautiful.


amen.

to the op: i have never blocked anyone on this site, and often, if i have a chance, i even respond to the rude emails (from dominants who either have read my profile and completely disregarded the fact that i'm owned, or who haven't even bothered to read it at all) that i often get. however, i also have a habit of skipping over emails because i'm usually very busy and/or exhausted. it has nothing to do with social grace.

and from the way you talk, it makes it seem as though you expect submissives to adhere to a higher level of respect than you or any other dominant should have to. going along with the i may be submissive but i'm not YOUR submissive idea, that's bullshit. and respect is earned, not available on demand.

*grabs a piece of asof yet unflung chocolate cake and sets to devouring it whilst ducking flying chocolatey bits*


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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:04:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Look you fucking bitch, when I email you, get off your fat ass and fucking email me.  I hate it when little cunts like you don't be respecting a dominate like me.  I mean since the ten minutes I have been in the scene it has really gone to hell.


OMG...I think I'm in lust.

And to the OP...think of it as a filter.  If they haven't responded in a manner that you feel is appropriate then you've just saved yourself a lot of time seeing if it's someone that you'd want to know further.

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:14:50 AM   
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Sneaks in the back covered in plastic......ducks to avoid flying cake...snatches a piece of the table....looks over sholder....see's CrappyDom's post......

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Look you fucking bitch, when I email you, get off your fat ass and fucking email me.  I hate it when little cunts like you don't be respecting a dominate like me.  I mean since the ten minutes I have been in the scene it has really gone to hell.


ROTF LMFAO!
 
.....Is now COVERED in chocolate cake!
Will someone lick it off if I say pretty please?

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:17:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dv8Top

I've always believed that a primary characteristic of a good submissive was social graces and good manners.  The ability to show respect is a fundamental requirement, at least in my world, of a submissives behavior.

That being the case,why is it that the standard response from the submissives I've attempted to contact is *no response* followed by blocking?  I'm not rude, crude, or abusive, my notes have always been respectful...

I'm not bitchin about standard Internet behavior, just wondering how a woman can call herself a submissive and not have social graces, good manners, or simple respect for someone attempting to communicate to respond to a query with a simple "thanks but no thanks", "fuk off" or whatever, but at least acknowledge the senders recognition of the profile YOU posted?

DV8



there not into you ... 


your not gods gift to woman

its a free country  so No one has to speak if they don't want to

and haven't you ever heard

respect is earned not given ...

just because they are submissive does not mean they have to talk to you




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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:23:47 AM   
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Dear Dv8Top, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
With any grace and or manners, there is good judgment or the lack thereof; which is entirely based on those who interacts with others.
 
I do admit a bit of curiosity, as you said that your training in the scene etiquette, manners, protocols and the like originated around the San Fransisco area.  Perhaps, there is a shift away from what is the old standards of good manners, e.g. Emily Post, Roberts Rules, etc.
 
Personally, I have come to realize that with exceptions, the view of what are good manners, etiquette and courtesy are different between the West coast and East coast.  And, dealing in a text based medium it does not  allow much latitude when it comes to expressions, to which the little icon smiley helps.  But, the spirit of intent, when at all possible should be included.  Perhaps, adding in that this is serious, this is sarcastic, this is filled with humor, as well as changing it when you move from serious to humor.  Only you can choose what written style suits best for yourself and or the use of brackets to encase your intended spirit.
 
In summary, the only manners, etiquette, behavior and or attitudes we (in a general sense) can and or will control is our own.  Some will take advantage of a situation to mock or disrespect if given an opportunity and some who will refrain from such. 
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 
 
 

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:24:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dv8Top

I've always believed that a primary characteristic of a good submissive was social graces and good manners.  The ability to show respect is a fundamental requirement, at least in my world, of a submissives behavior.


But shouldn't a show of respect be a fundamental requirement for a Dom approaching a submissive as well???  Where is the respect from a Dom who emails a collared sub/slave? 
That being the case,why is it that the standard response from the submissives I've attempted to contact is *no response* followed by blocking?  I'm not rude, crude, or abusive, my notes have always been respectful...

Maybe some find your profile offensive (why I don't know) and other's may be collared and simply block you for disrespecting their Sir's or Ma'am's.

I'm not bitchin about standard Internet behavior, just wondering how a woman can call herself a submissive and not have social graces, good manners, or simple respect for someone attempting to communicate to respond to a query with a simple "thanks but no thanks", "fuk off" or whatever, but at least acknowledge the senders recognition of the profile YOU posted?

DV8


I ALWAYS answer unwanted emails and I do not block them once I have answered.  They, 9 times out of 10, do not like my responses and I say "FUCK EM AND FEED EM FISH HEADS".  They disrespect my Sir and myself by writing me, so they get one hell of an earful when I do respond.  This is the internet not real life, manners and grace do not always apply here.  Respect DOES go both ways.......remember that.

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:28:20 AM   
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I am just waiting for CrappyDom to come and collect His harem...

<sings> where oh where has my fantastic dom gone.. oh where oh where can he be??  ...... lyrics (little to fantastic) changed to protect the innocent sub from vicious punishments....

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:41:53 AM   
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Your expectations are too high!

I rarely get a reply no matter how nice I write, no matter how I show I took the time to read her profile.
I'm respectful and never send one liners.

However I have recently discovered a method that gets a reply or I should say a higher response rate.
and, no, I'm too selfish to share it.

In my case I think it's my age that turns them off. Cruising dating sites I find very, very few women looking
fo a 60+ man and most of them that are, are older than I am. I'm just not mentally prepared to go there yet.

So, if they don't respond move on as I do.


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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:50:09 AM   
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I pretty much expect that people will not always match MY expectations. It saves me taking a lot more "tums" than I should really need to.

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 7:50:43 AM   
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Crappy - please, Don't make me Laugh while I'm Swallowing!  (Do you have Any idea how Painful it is to have carbonated anything spurt through the sinuses and out the nose???  Yes, I know, I'm a  maso, I shouldn't complain about a little pain, right?)
 
As for the OP -
 
Answering or not answering email has several factors to be considered.  What sort of mood am I in?  How much time do I have at that particular moment to devote to answering?  How much attention did the person pay to what is said in my profile and journal entries?  Was their email a one line waste of my time, so full of typos that I need a translation specialist, or flat out rude to ME?  Am I already in a relationship where my mail is screened by my partner for applicability and content?  (Not something I would ever personally allow, yet something which appears to be rather common.)   When I read the person's profile before answering, is there a point of connection felt on MY side of things?  If I recognize the ID from forum participation, did I generally agree or disagree with the majority of what I have read from them?  This is all assuming, of course, that it wasn't simply dumped into my Bulk folder due to my email preferences having been set against the particular subset of person emailing me.  (If it was, it's doubtful that I'll even See it.  If I do happen to check bulk and read what's in there - not something I do very often - it's even more doubtful that I'll bother to answer.  That's what bulk preferences are for - to weed out those with whom we have no desire to interact on a personal level.)
 
Dv8, you're attempting to put all the responcibility off on one particular subset.  It doesn't belong there.  Social Grace and Manners while face to face are learned responces, and they have little to do with a venue which deals specifically from a distance.  Manners (social conventions) are also rather varied by location - what is considered "good manners" in England holds little sway here in the US except in certain portions of rather formal high society on the East Coast.  There are things which are considered Good Manners (and a sign of hospitality and respect) in the South which are completely unheard of in the North or West Coast.  The reverse is also true by location.  You made the comment that you were introduced to BDSM activities in San Franscico, and that submissives were taught how they were expected to act.  I was introduced to things in OKlahoma - where both submissives AND DOMINANTS were taught what was considered Acceptable behavior within the scene, as were those who identify as Tops or Bottoms (rather than by a power dynamic designation).  None of those expectations taught, regardless of subgroup, included such things as a submissive or bottom being expected to maintain a Higher standard - or to automatically assume that someone was X because they called themselves X. 
 
The internet didn't exist at that point in time - there were no BDSM websites, chatrooms, dating sites, etc ad nauseum.  Hell, chatrooms hadn't yet come into existance at all, and Email (per se) was in it's infant stages and only really available to certain portions of the government and educational unix systems.  When email DID become available, it was on a local only level, through bullatin board systems - still no where near the internet as we know it today.  (Yes, I'm a virtual dinosuar in a virtual world - somewhere in my attic is the C-64 and it's 300 and 1200 baud external modems that I used "back in the day" moldering and collecting dust.)  We (subs, slaves, bottoms, or even dominants and tops) weren't taught any sort of "expectations" about how to deal (or not deal) with email.  It simply wasn't considered that such fell under the pervue of the Scene.  To a large extent, I Still don't see that it falls anywhere under the pervue of the scene!
 
The point in all this?  Quite simply, it's that there are no set protocols that are in effect everywhere.  Such is a myth of the electronic age and hopped up egos maintaining completely unrealistic expectations of the world around them.  My suggestion?  Leave those things which have nothing at all to do with BDSM where they belong - on the doorstep of humanity at large - and concentrate on what IS in the pervue of BDSM.  Namely floggers, whips, paddles, wax and fire play, chains, and fetishes of all sorts.

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RE: Grace and Manners in a chocolate cake food fight - 7/6/2006 7:51:15 AM   
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In reply to all (and would someone be kind enough to mail me hints as to how to direct a reply, lol... ty in advance!)

I am a DOM who actually believes in good manners, and actually replies to all mail, including notes from folks that don't turn my pickle -- if only to wish them good luck in their search (the exception: obvious scammers from "you know which nations", whom I encourage to eat their face and choke on it, gads they are so obvious from the bad grammar and syntax, lol)... Hell, I still open doors for women (whether they like it or not)! I save the rudeness and Verbal Humiliation for the Role Play Scening... I honestly don't understand how any DOM thinks they can attract anyone with the old and tired "bitch yada yada suck, kneel yada yada etc..."... I can't help thinking that manners and grace have decreased relative to the advances in technology, which in turn keep people from relating in person and face to face or voice to voice...

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RE: Grace and Manners in a chocolate cake food fight - 7/6/2006 9:24:47 AM   
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There is no set protocol in this that all must adhere to to be acceptable. Subs are not required to answer emails just because someone claiming to be a Dominant sent them one. It has nothing to do with manners. It's free choice. I do answer most emails sent to me, unless they are very demanding and crude suggesting a dynamic that does not exist. That said, it still wouldn't make me bad or unsubmissive if I didn't answer my emails. Email answering is not D/s, M/s or bdsm. It's email. I send occasional emails here, though not looking for a Dom, but rather friendship, etc. I have no problem with whether or not they are answered. If they are fine, if not, I shrug and move on. It's just not a big deal to me. I have much bigger things going on in my life than whether an email I send is answered or not.

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RE: Grace and Manners - 7/6/2006 9:26:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dv8Top

I've always believed that a primary characteristic of a good submissive was social graces and good manners.  The ability to show respect is a fundamental requirement, at least in my world, of a submissives behavior.

That being the case,why is it that the standard response from the submissives I've attempted to contact is *no response* followed by blocking?  I'm not rude, crude, or abusive, my notes have always been respectful...

I'm not bitchin about standard Internet behavior, just wondering how a woman can call herself a submissive and not have social graces, good manners, or simple respect for someone attempting to communicate to respond to a query with a simple "thanks but no thanks", "fuk off" or whatever, but at least acknowledge the senders recognition of the profile YOU posted?

DV8


That is why they make chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry... not everyone likes the same flavor, and not every dominant values the same quality in a submissive. Grace and manners are not the attributes of a good submissive in my mind.. my desire to do as I am told by MY Dom makes me a good submissive to HIM.. I could give a rat's ass whether some unknown HNG that did not read my profile thinks I have grace or manners.

I could have retorted that a good dominant is one that does not push his attentions on to unresponsive submissives, but I think I will end this here.

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